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Best-handed bassists - who plays better...?  

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  1. 1. Best-handed bassists - who plays better...?

    • Fretted?
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    • Fretless?
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This one's dedicated to both Presto-digitation and Ancient Ways for their combo poll suggestions! biggrin.gif wink.gif

 

All welcome to cast their votes, though..!

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As far as I can tell, these guys used fretless basses:

 

Jaco Pastorius

Pino Palladino

Tony Levin - a fretless Steinberger on 'Sledgehammer' by Peter Gabriel

Mick Karn

Jeff Ament from Pearl Jam

and Jack Bruce.

 

The guy who really made me sit up and take notice was Bakithi Kumalo, a South African bassist who used a fretless on Paul Simon's 'You Can Call Me Al' (or was it just called 'Call Me Al'?) - the bass part on that song was absolutely incredible! - played one part forward, then somehow reversed it... Man, that was something...

 

My impression of fretless playing is that it's probably far harder than fretted - I think, as far as I can tell, it's a whole different style of playing.

 

Also, as a side interest, who's Bumblefoot?

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Here is a list of fretless basses:

 

Tanglewood

Peavey Foundation

Rickenbacker 4001

Fender Precision

Warwick Triumph 5 string

Steinberger

Music Man

Fender Jazz.

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QUOTE (fledgehog @ Jul 11 2011, 07:45 PM)
why aren't acoustic and upright options on this poll? tongue.gif

I need an acoustic bass. They have some at guitar center and they are nice! As for upright, maybe later, but they would be fun to play!

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Fretless sounds cool, but is limited in sound by being fretless. Only seems to work for a relatively narrow style of music.

 

Fretted for me.

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QUOTE (bigmoney2112 @ Jul 12 2011, 10:37 PM)
QUOTE (Babycat @ Jul 12 2011, 06:34 AM)
Also, as a side interest, who's Bumblefoot?

One of the guitarists in Guns N Roses.

He's a very advanced guitar player with an under the radar solo career.

 

Oh and he joined Guns n Roses for some extra cash...

 

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QUOTE (Babycat @ Jul 12 2011, 06:34 AM)
As far as I can tell, these guys used fretless basses:

Jaco Pastorius
Pino Palladino
Tony Levin - a fretless Steinberger on 'Sledgehammer' by Peter Gabriel
Mick Karn
Jeff Ament from Pearl Jam
and Jack Bruce.

The guy who really made me sit up and take notice was Bakithi Kumalo, a South African bassist who used a fretless on Paul Simon's 'You Can Call Me Al' (or was it just called 'Call Me Al'?) - the bass part on that song was absolutely incredible! - played one part forward, then somehow reversed it... Man, that was something...

My impression of fretless playing is that it's probably far harder than fretted - I think, as far as I can tell, it's a whole different style of playing.

Also, as a side interest, who's Bumblefoot?

Sting is another fretless player.

 

It is like playing another instrument altogether, since you're playing "positions" as opposed to notes on a fretboard. Kudos to the guys who pull it off, particularly in rock where it seems particularly unusual.

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I played a fretless Music Man Stingray as my main bass back in the 90s. With that pickup, I could even slap and get a good pop out of it. Loved that bass. Unfortunately, each musicman bass I owned had terrible necks that would go out of whack at the slightest temperature. I sold them and maintain my Fender J. If I were gigging regularly, I would pick up another fretless.
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Mark King from Level 42 used fretted basses.

 

Nick Beggs, a session bassist, used fretless, and played a Chapman stick, Tanglewood acoustic, Rickenbacker 4003 and a Music Man Stingray. The only other thing I seem to remember reading about is that he's a patron of the London Guitar and Bass school.

 

If I recall, Rickenbackers have two truss rods because their necks were likely to warp due to temperature and storage.

 

One thing that always confused me was the Rickenbacker double-neck - how the heck are you able to know which neck was needed for which part of the music?

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QUOTE (Babycat @ Jul 15 2011, 03:41 PM)
Mark King from Level 42 used fretted basses.

Nick Beggs, a session bassist, used fretless, and played a Chapman stick, Tanglewood acoustic, Rickenbacker 4003 and a Music Man Stingray. The only other thing I seem to remember reading about is that he's a patron of the London Guitar and Bass school.

If I recall, Rickenbackers have two truss rods because their necks were likely to warp due to temperature and storage.

One thing that always confused me was the Rickenbacker double-neck - how the heck are you able to know which neck was needed for which part of the music?

Rickenbackers have very thin necks and the double truss was supposed to be able to work like a double action truss. I never got it myself...You would use the neck that you wanted to for whatever part called for it. If you had a Fretted Fretless bass, you would switch to the fretless for the parts that called for sinewy lines. If you were the composer of the song, it would be easier to determine what to use for what. I remember Chris Squire using a triple neck Wal bass that was a doubled three string, Fretless and a Fretted for the song Awaken about 20 years ago. Search for it on youtube. It is something else.

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QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Jul 16 2011, 02:59 AM)
QUOTE (Babycat @ Jul 15 2011, 03:41 PM)
Mark King from Level 42 used fretted basses.

Nick Beggs, a session bassist, used fretless, and played a Chapman stick, Tanglewood acoustic, Rickenbacker 4003 and a Music Man Stingray. The only other thing I seem to remember reading about is that he's a patron of the London Guitar and Bass school.

If I recall, Rickenbackers have two truss rods because their necks were likely to warp due to temperature and storage.

One thing that always confused me was the Rickenbacker double-neck - how the heck are you able to know which neck was needed for which part of the music?

Rickenbackers have very thin necks and the double truss was supposed to be able to work like a double action truss. I never got it myself...You would use the neck that you wanted to for whatever part called for it. If you had a Fretted Fretless bass, you would switch to the fretless for the parts that called for sinewy lines. If you were the composer of the song, it would be easier to determine what to use for what. I remember Chris Squire using a triple neck Wal bass that was a doubled three string, Fretless and a Fretted for the song Awaken about 20 years ago. Search for it on youtube. It is something else.

Triple neck?! Crikey! Isn't there a guitar that's got about 5 necks..? Or am I thinking of Gene Simmons for some strange reason?

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Rick Neilsen from Cheap Trick had a five neck guitar built by Hamer. Not sure how playable the guitar is but it should be easy to Google. Check it out.
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QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Jul 16 2011, 11:03 AM)
Babycat,
Check it out here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4YcVMNhVCQ&feature=fvwrel

ohmy.gif Jesus Christ! That's absolutely incredible!!! My jaw completely dropped when I saw that beast! I bet that was really heavy! Man, that's some impressive looking ax! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Jul 17 2011, 01:51 AM)
Actually, I didn't get that far off topic...that bottom guitar is a fretless. Can't imagine how he reaches it though.

Thinking about it, unless I'm really, really imagining it, but I always thought I saw a guitar that had eight necks on it, 4 necks shooting off on the left and 4 on the right. Custom-built, obviously. (Didn't Stevie Vai have one which was hinged in the middle so that it folded up?)

 

And Gene Simmons used pyrotechnics on his basses. How did he trigger them without coming to harm?

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There's this guy who actually came to my town to do a clinic, but he has four necks. I never saw 8, but I'm sure someone did it. My friend met this guy and was told that the four neck was stolen...how do you sell something like that on the black market? This guitar apparently folds in half to go in the case. He now uses double guitars with necks going in opposite directions. Here is the four neck:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmVmRkgURA&feature=related

 

Here is Steve Vai with one of his triple necks which I believe folds as well.

 

 

I will stick with one neck for that keeps me busy enough. Also, like you said, its got to weigh a ton.

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