Mika Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 LSD, for the most part, is an intellectual's substance of choice. Really smart people are irresistably drawn to it, because of the affects it has on the mind and imagination. That being said, the members of Rush are REALLY smart, and though they are too modest to say so, they are very much intellectuals. Given the time that COS was written and recorded, when I first heard the lyrics "draw another goblet from the cask of '43", I instantly knew what it meant. OF COURSE it refers to LSD!!! It is just silly to try to deny it. Why all the 'instant recognition' to "the cask of '43" being about LSD? Is this some specific LSD thing I have no clue about? I always liked the sound of that line, assuming it's about wine. I always assumed it was wine too, but apparently, 1943 was when the psychedelic properties of LSD were discovered. Huh, I didn't know that. Well, I'll still hold onto the thought of the wine being just wine, instead of a veil for LSD - it's more salubrious for me that way! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 LSD, for the most part, is an intellectual's substance of choice. Really smart people are irresistably drawn to it, because of the affects it has on the mind and imagination. That being said, the members of Rush are REALLY smart, and though they are too modest to say so, they are very much intellectuals. Given the time that COS was written and recorded, when I first heard the lyrics "draw another goblet from the cask of '43", I instantly knew what it meant. OF COURSE it refers to LSD!!! It is just silly to try to deny it. Why all the 'instant recognition' to "the cask of '43" being about LSD? Is this some specific LSD thing I have no clue about? I always liked the sound of that line, assuming it's about wine. I always assumed it was wine too, but apparently, 1943 was when the psychedelic properties of LSD were discovered. Huh, I didn't know that. Well, I'll still hold onto the thought of the wine being just wine, instead of a veil for LSD - it's more salubrious for me that way! :P Wasn't it discovered in 1938? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 LSD, for the most part, is an intellectual's substance of choice. Really smart people are irresistably drawn to it, because of the affects it has on the mind and imagination. That being said, the members of Rush are REALLY smart, and though they are too modest to say so, they are very much intellectuals. Given the time that COS was written and recorded, when I first heard the lyrics "draw another goblet from the cask of '43", I instantly knew what it meant. OF COURSE it refers to LSD!!! It is just silly to try to deny it. Why all the 'instant recognition' to "the cask of '43" being about LSD? Is this some specific LSD thing I have no clue about? I always liked the sound of that line, assuming it's about wine. I always assumed it was wine too, but apparently, 1943 was when the psychedelic properties of LSD were discovered. Huh, I didn't know that. Well, I'll still hold onto the thought of the wine being just wine, instead of a veil for LSD - it's more salubrious for me that way! :P Wasn't it discovered in 1938? It was originally synthesised in 1938, but its psychedelic properties were not discovered until 1943. And Mika, that's the great thing about lyrics, isn't it? Any interpretation that moves the listener is correct! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerofthor Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Just listened to this album last night. Whatever they were using back then, they should probably start taking again. How can something recorded 38 years ago sound so vastly superior to ehat they put out the last ten years or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animate Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Neil talks about LSD in one of his books- I "think" Traveling Music. Could be wrong. It was during his "pre-Rush" years. Can't remember if it was while he was still in London. Basically, he and a friend spent on carefully orchestrated night tripping to LSD. They stayed in, did it, and moved on. He is smart enough to have recognized that the illusion of mind expansion is just that- an illusion. There are no real truths to be discovered that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 so many sweeping generalizations about drugs here they effect other people in various ways, you cannot speak for the entire population 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBob Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Boy it it a trip man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
custom55 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Whatever drugs they were or were not doing worked... Great collection of music. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miriam of the Lunar Sea Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Fountain of Lamneth is an amazing composition for such young musicians. I'm sure I'll catch heat for this, but --- I like it better than Hemispheres, 2112, or Clockwork Angels. It is my personal favorite among the concept pieces. The rest of CoS --- I like Lakeside (preferarbly the live version) -- and the rest of it I don't really listen to. But I can think of any number of recordings by other groups that shout "DRUGS!" much more loudly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Fountain of Lamneth is an amazing composition for such young musicians. I'm sure I'll catch heat for this, but --- I like it better than Hemispheres, 2112, or Clockwork Angels. It is my personal favorite among the concept pieces. The rest of CoS --- I like Lakeside (preferarbly the live version) -- and the rest of it I don't really listen to. But I can think of any number of recordings by other groups that shout "DRUGS!" much more loudly. I listened to 'FoL' yesterday, and you're right, it's such an amazing piece of musical art for musicians that were so young at the time! They were, what, 22? And I agree with it being certainly one of, if not the, best epic pieces. There's a lot of mood changes going on in this song! I think the boys should be proud of what they created. As for it being created under the haze of drugs - yes, there are certainly songs by other bands that scream of drugs much more than CoS. 'Tomorrow Never Knows' by The Beatles immediately comes to mind! My take is that sure, the Rush boys seem to have been using (lighter) drugs at the time, but I don't think they were the "key to unlock the door" - I think Rush was and is capable of coming up with great music without the need for a little 'inspiration'. But who knows, really? What matters to me is that this is an album I'd never really given a chance until recently, and know that I'm exposed to the wonders within, am very happy to add it to my aural pleasures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappafrank Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) I think anyone trying to link the "cask of '43" stuff with LSD is misguided. It's part of the subsection Bacchus Plateau, and Bacchus is the Roman god of grape harvesting; i..e, wine. Seems fairly obvious to me. :finbar: Edited June 2, 2013 by zappafrank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappafrank Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Really smart people are irresistably drawn to it I for one have never been drawn to it, thereby automatically negating your statement. Edited June 2, 2013 by zappafrank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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