Ancient Ways Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'd like to hear more about why some here believe hip hop or rap are not a genre of rock n roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) I'd like to hear why some people here don't think hip hop or rap is not a genre unto itself The branches and vines travel all over with any form of music, but I do not see rock and roll as a subgenre of country or blues, even though that is where is started . . Edited December 24, 2016 by Lucas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk98 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Hip hop and rap may have roots in rock and roll, but in my opinion they have become far to different. I personally don't like these genres anyway, but just speaking objectively I believe that rap and hip hop have no place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Listen to a song like "Hound Dog" by Elvis, and then a song like "Lollipop" by Lil Wayne (yes, I know he's not on the ballot, but I'm comparing for comparison's sake). They're completely different. Edited December 24, 2016 by Disk98 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I'd like to hear why some people here don't think hip hop or rap is not a genre unto itself The branches and vines travel all over with any form of music, but I do not see rock and roll as a subgenre of country or blues, even though that is where is started . .Funny, the reason hip hop is a form of rock is because rock came from blues and r&b roots like hip hop. I see different branches of same tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarizeMe Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Listen to a song like "Hound Dog" by Elvis, and then a song like "Lollipop" by Lil Wayne. They're completely different.The only thing these two have in common is that they have a guitar in some capacity...albeit the latter song has the worst excuse of a "guitar solo". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Hip hop and rap may have roots in rock and roll, but in my opinion they have become far to different. I personally don't like these genres anyway, but just speaking objectively I believe that rap and hip hop have no place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Listen to a song like "Hound Dog" by Elvis, and then a song like "Lollipop" by Lil Wayne (yes, I know he's not on the ballot, but I'm comparing for comparison's sake). They're completely different.Check out the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I'd like to hear why some people here don't think hip hop or rap is not a genre unto itself The branches and vines travel all over with any form of music, but I do not see rock and roll as a subgenre of country or blues, even though that is where is started . .Funny, the reason hip hop is a form of rock is because rock came from blues and r&b roots like hip hop. I see different branches of same tree. Point to where I said that hip hop is not a form of rock I simply asked why hip hop is not considered a genre on its own ( as rock and roll is ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I thought this thread title was "Hip hop is definitely weird..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 it is weird and let me say what's with all the pseudo RnB/Soul-style pop these days? With obvious voice effects and auto-tune? It's everywhere and it SUCKS! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Holler if you hear me! Tupac was great with the digital undergroundHumpty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I'd like to hear why some people here don't think hip hop or rap is not a genre unto itself The branches and vines travel all over with any form of music, but I do not see rock and roll as a subgenre of country or blues, even though that is where is started . .Funny, the reason hip hop is a form of rock is because rock came from blues and r&b roots like hip hop. I see different branches of same tree. Point to where I said that hip hop is not a form of rock I simply asked why hip hop is not considered a genre on its own ( as rock and roll is )Point to where I said you said that (sigh).... I answered the question in the manner I felt appropriate, not the way I thought you wanted to hear it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I don't care that hip hop is HOF eligible. For one, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is tedious. It isn't reflective of anything. I can see a Hall of fame centered around fan opinion, and I can see one centered around artist opinion. But the club that actually has a say doesn't hold any interest for me. Anyone here has an opinion I value as much as the Hall's. If I had a HOF, mine would be artist run. Any recording artist (how that's determined is to be determined) gets a vote. And anyone they want is eligible, because whoever they chose is obviously relevant to their craft. I love some hip hop. The CoupSage FrancisDigable PlanetsDe La SoulIllogicDisposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy But I dislike more of it. Basically the same as country or pop, I have to look beyond the radio to find the good stuff most of the time. Typical music lover conceit on the apparent surface, but I really do hate commercial radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I'd like to hear why some people here don't think hip hop or rap is not a genre unto itself The branches and vines travel all over with any form of music, but I do not see rock and roll as a subgenre of country or blues, even though that is where is started . .Funny, the reason hip hop is a form of rock is because rock came from blues and r&b roots like hip hop. I see different branches of same tree. Point to where I said that hip hop is not a form of rock I simply asked why hip hop is not considered a genre on its own ( as rock and roll is )Point to where I said you said that (sigh).... I answered the question in the manner I felt appropriate, not the way I thought you wanted to hear it. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Dad Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Yes it is. It is based on the blues in its purest form. So is Rock and Roll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Yes it is. It is based on the blues in its purest form. So is Rock and Roll. right......simple research will tell anybody it belongs, lol. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefox4000 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Hip hop and rap may have roots in rock and roll, but in my opinion they have become far to different. I personally don't like these genres anyway, but just speaking objectively I believe that rap and hip hop have no place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Listen to a song like "Hound Dog" by Elvis, and then a song like "Lollipop" by Lil Wayne (yes, I know he's not on the ballot, but I'm comparing for comparison's sake). They're completely different.Check out the originalhttp://youtu.be/XRVnJ89oisM boy elis did kinda white wash this song........pun intended, lol. i always like big mama's version more. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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