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Presto. I liked the songs but after the heavy sounds of PoW and HYF, it sounded a bit "naked" at first. Got use to it after a few listens.

The "I'm a sucker for rumors" setlist. 29 songs a show No medley 35 songs total - 6 alternating Clocks in at about 2:35+/- minus solos SET 1: YYZ Subdivisions Kid Gloves a. Passage To Bangkok b. Cinderella Man Show Don't Tell a. Red Sector A b. Between The Wheels Anarchist a. Mission b. Time Stand Still Earthshine Limbo Spirit Of Radio Tom Sawyer Xanadu SET 2: a. Jacob's Ladder b. Natural Science Far Cry Animate Driven a. Red Barchetta b. Vital Signs Marathon Dreamline Headlong Flight drum solo acoustic solo a. Closer To The Heart b. The Trees La Villa 2112: Overture 2112: Temples (instrumental 1 verse/1 chorus) 2112: Grand Finale ENCORE; Freewill New World Man Limelight

Ah but does that 35 songs include a medley if there even is a medley?

I can see this...

If there's one thing I learned with CA, it's that FOH Lights usually is spot on with the info he has. I don't know how he has it. Don't care to. However, it is undeniable that he possesses some of the best inside info out of any user in the forum.

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Prime Mover (which is getting alot of mentions) Jacob's Ladder Kid Gloves Digital Man Cut to the Chase

Yes. Sorry. The "a" and "b" is to indicate alternate nights like the CA tour. I hope so to but it's close to the R30 tour. There were 9 pre-Moving Pictures on that tour. On any given night, I have 8. R30 had a medley as I think this one will as well. I have fun with these lists. It's like filling out NCAA basketball brackets; you know you're going to get it wrong but you're at least hoping to get most of it right. Lol I hope they play a variety of older stuff. I'd love to hear Hemispheres or something old that I haven't heard live before (not that I've been to a lot of shows).

I drew a lot of the set up for R30 using an almost 2:1 ratio. Moving Pictures is ground zero. The ratio applies to songs post- MP versus pre-MP, excluding a medley, solos, and acoustic sets. R30 had 28 songs; 4 from MP, 12 post, 9 pre, & 3 Feedback. My R40 is 26 songs (hey, it's 10 years later) 4 from MP, 14 post, & 8 pre. Tough deciding what goes and what stayed but here it is what I came up with.... SET 1 Headlong Flight Animate Driven Freewill Time Stand Still a. Red Barchetta / b. Vital Signs Kid Gloves Marathon a. Dreamline / b. Red Sector A YYZ Xanadu SET 2 2112: Overture 2112: Temples of Syrinx Spirit Of Radio Subdivisions a. Distant Early Warning / b. Roll The Bones Jacob's Ladder Show Don't Tell a. Mission / b. Nobody's Hero Earthshine Limbo Drum Solo Acoustic Set a. Closer To The Heart / b. The Trees Tom Sawyer R40 Medley (from first 4 ending w Grand Finale) ENCORE: Far Cry La Villa Limelight

I certainly don't think you said anything here to villianize Neil, but I do think that is very likely what will happen because of it..... Neil will somehow be the bad guy... again... because the band decided to do their warm ups in LA rather than Toronto and, well, you know, *nothing* could out do Toronto in April. And because, you know, the Neil hater's could never fathom the idea that maybe, just maybe, Neil suggested warms up in LA and Geddy thought, "Hmmmm.... April in LA. TWO MLB baseball teams in their opening month, and one very nearby in San Diego... and wine country a quick charter flight away..." And, because, you know, the Neil hater's could never fathom the idea that maybe, just maybe, Neil suggested warms up in LA and Alex thought, "Hmmmm.... April in LA. Great weather on the links and I NEVER have to use an orange ball to golf in California... and wine country a quick charter flight away..." And because, you know, the Neil hater's could never fathom the idea that maybe, just maybe, Neil suggested warms up in LA and both Geddy and Alex thought, "You know, my kids are grown, but Neil has a child in elementary school. It might be nice to let Neil enjoy that final month or so of school with his daughter before hitting the road this summer." Seriously, what's next? Are we going to find out the tour is now listing Charmin as the preferred brand in their facility rider, rather than the previously preferred White Cloud and somehow blame that on Neil, too? (Because, you know, Neil is such an ass). I, for one, am just happy they are warming up for a tour.... I repeat.... they are warming up for a tour. Just "liking" this post isnt enough. Awesome

No Tom Sawyer?

Ticketmaster MSG Billy Joel: $145 $125 $81 Eric Clapton: $544 $333 $217 $152 $97 Rush: $223 $120 $88 $67 PRUDENTIAL CENTER: Shania Twain $176 $111 $90 $63 The Who $172 $108 $76 $61 Rush: $224 $117 $84 $64

Headlong Flight ending with a short (minute?) of an instrumental Bastille Day.... It's going to be a loooooong month ahead.....

Agreed. Meadowlands was horrible. I saw them at Prudential and was really surprised by the venue in a good way. We were in section 1 at the end away from the stage and with my experience at the meadowlands, I thought they would be tiny figures. However, Prudential was more close up feeling. It was great!

1st set - Headlong Flight or Subsivisions 2nd set - La Villa or Freewill Encore - Limelight

And that's the key, isn't it? Tear it up like you used to. He's sixty-something, not 30-something or even 40-something. He physically can't tear it up like he used to. that's just a dumb-ass comment to make. He can't sing like he used to, but he is the bass player he was in '75, '85, '95. 2005 and today. If you can't grasp that, you're clueless. Watch Freewill on TMT..is he struggling to tear it up? He's older, so his fingers don't work as well? Stupid... I'm not saying he can't play. I'm just saying he can't play like he's 20 of 30. It's natural. YES, I'm saying his fingers don't work as well. Ask any 40 or 50 something on this forum and I guarentee they will tell you that's a bit harder to physically do certain things now than 20-30 years ago. A pro golfer hits the ball further at 25 then when he's 55. A pro quarterback throws the ball further when he was 20 compared to when he was 50. What both have in common is that they are still accurate, still have precision in their art.

And that's the key, isn't it? Tear it up like you used to. He's sixty-something, not 30-something or even 40-something. He physically can't tear it up like he used to.

My only intent was to present the other side about free market economics in the concert industry. Rush deserves a premium price, my belief is that a true free market would look much different. What bands like Rush do is give full power to the promoters, for a large up front fee. Promoters play the scalping game and supply/demand games. There are artists that don't do it this way, don't let the promoters have all the power, Pearl Jam being the best example, bucking the system since they were newbies. Bruce also takes steps to create more of a fair market. A specific example on this tour is the lack of side/ rear diagonal seats, thousands of them, have not been released in the NYC area, which is the exact opposite of what Rush did in their concert selling heyday. We can see the line today of what is not available to the market today and easily recall how far back fans used to sit in their heyday. These seats may likely be released, but holding them back now is manufacturing price and limiting supply, which has an irreversible effect on those that have already bought secondary tickets. Their quickest sell outs in 20 years (which is very exciting). But the specific supply limitation here is obvious. There are more factors at work here as we'll. Yes this work has the invisible hand of the promoters, but the band's name appears on the ticket/no tickets currently available from the venue page. Everyone always quotes Bruce or Pearl Jam in citing this practice. It's a solid practice. But most artists, it's outta their hands, and they just run with it, they make money, they know the game, they lament it, but in the end, they're doing the best they can. I'm not sure expecting Rush to control every aspect of tens of thousands of tickets is a reasonable expectation. Not in today's music biz, and not in today's markets. Best they Can, excellent! I didn't intend to blame Rush regarding holding back the rear seats they used to sell back in the easy sellout days. That's the work of the promoter, protecting their investment and keeping prices high. I'm just citing influences on market forces at work here, demonstrating it's not free market economics. Citing Pearl Jam is an example of bands that chose a different path to operate the market differently. They still have high prices and limited supply, but they work hard trying to make it fair to their loyal fans. I'm not sure payin $40 every year to be a member is a great deal for the chance at far away seats, but they are making an effort. Regarding ticket explosion, the two sell outs in the NYC area have been the quickest in 20 years. TM was a solid sellout at MSG, but that took a lot of time and promo. But many non sell outs. CA did not sell well. this year there was an obvious difference. many of the venues are sold out. Fast. As a comparison, check out the CA last tour stats. CA was a far cry from what we are seeing on R40, which is terrific. Magnitude has made a difference, I am happy about it, I want the joint rockin, just citing that as a market influence. But Gabrielle, you can compare the CA tour to the R40 tour. One was an album concept while this one is a span of 40 years. I'm sure there were people who sat out CA or waited to purchase knowing that a good chunk of the setlist was going to be from the same CD. This tour, the sky's the limit on what actually may make the setlist. Hardcore fans who have been waiting eons to hear the "classics" know the odds are far greater they get to hear THOSE songs on this tour compared to the last. So the response was more urgent this go around as opposed to last time.

You must be really humble then

We can always hope I suspect Headlong Flight could be the opener.

Cause he's a moron?

I believe there have been two identical threads already that are over a month old.

Maybe someone with actual insider information on how the money changes hands is needed here. I mean, how do the 3 guys in the band make money? Is it a portion of every ticket sale or do they just get a lump sum per venue and the others (venue, ticket industry, etc.) get to keep what ever they sell after guaranteeing a definitive cost to the band's people? Ok - so let's use 10000 seat arena. Does Rush collect a a flat fee, say $700000, or do they take a percentage of the gross sales, say 70%? It matters because if it's a flat fee, then Rush really doesn't care what the average ticket goes for. They got theirs. However, if it's a percentage, then they have a vested interest in what the average ticket sale goes for. As I see in my limited scope of this market, the problem isn't the ticket sale, it's the secondary market. I get that it's a free market and the ticket price is what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree upon. However, if the seller is cornering the market, then the market isn't free. With that said though, one could argue that with dozens if secondary markets out (Stubhub, Eseats, Ebay, etc) that competition exists so the market is free. Ugh. Headache.

This is dumb