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#41 JARG

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:42 PM

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View PostBlue J, on 22 March 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

From a drummer's perspective...I don't know if I'm an exception or not, but I rarely know where to come in by counting. Sometimes, yes, in some passages. But as far as The Camera Eye is concerned- I think it's really hard to count, especially during the intro to that song, with what the keyboard is doing, before the guitar or the drums come in. But I've listened to it enough times, I know every segment of the intro well enough, that I can just feel the rhythm before it hits.

It is very subtle, in that one. But that's the best way I can describe it. It isn't a matter of counting. I can just feel it coming.
That's very much how you learn and play Rush. You simply have to listen over and over and absorb it so it's second nature. Trying to keep count, especially with the crazy time signature changes, is harder than Calculus. The beginning riff of YYZ for example.

A lot of times Alex makes it pretty easy to play in odd meters because he'll play an arpeggio that fits in the time sig and then just repeat it.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:43 PM

Not yet, I'm going to give a listen later tonight.  I'm sure in typical Rush fashion they found a way to pull it off just like the record.  But I am curious how they did it.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:45 PM

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I'd love to know how he played this on the Moving Pictures / Exit Stage Left tours, since the OB-X synth was off to his left where there's no microphone.  There's also the trick of getting those sample/hold (blippity bloopity) parts to fade in and out.  This might be doable with a foot pedal on the back though.  Certainly this song got easier to play with the new synth/mic arrangements on the Signals tour.

There's been way too much water under the bridge since I saw the MP tour (I think they also played it on the Signals tour, but again, that was a long time ago), so I don't remember this specifically, but what would have prevented them from putting a mic by the OB for those tours?

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:46 PM

View PostLeChuck, on 22 March 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

Not yet, I'm going to give a listen later tonight.  I'm sure in typical Rush fashion they found a way to pull it off just like the record.  But I am curious how they did it.
I'd love to see a video from that tour with them doing the song.  Maybe I can find a good one tomorrow.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM

From 1983:



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:09 PM

I got my stuff out.  I have two from 4/9/83 but none from 4/8.  I'm watching it now. It is from a Montreal show.   It's unfortunate that the first almost two minutes of the song are played in the dark.  

Haha, Geddy and his "hey!!"  I love it.  That man was born to be a performer.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:40 PM

View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

From 1983:


View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

From 1983:


Nice! :yes: too bad it was a shortened version :( That was the detriment of having an opening act. Too bad they didn't come up with the "An Evening With :rush:" format earlier. It would've been great if they didn't have to feel the pressure of only a 90 minute set...

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:42 PM

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It would've been great if they didn't have to feel the pressure of only a 90 minute set.

The one I have from April 9th is a two hour show.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:47 PM

View PostLeChuck, on 22 March 2016 - 05:09 PM, said:

There is a Signals tour video on YouTube that's got Camera Eye, although it doesn't help if you're trying to watch their playing close up (kind of far audience footage).  I believe if you search on 'rush camera eye live 1982' you should find it.

All you can really see is Neil's arms flailing away, and with tempos they played on that tour, what a sight!  Love that video.  Such a clean sound.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:51 PM

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It would've been great if they didn't have to feel the pressure of only a 90 minute set.

The one I have from April 9th is a two hour show.

4/8 and 4/9 are/have both been on youtube. You really can't tell the difference between them.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 07:53 PM

I assume you are talking about the very beginning with the drums where Neil is playing some snare rolls and accents on snare/ride cymbal?  Really not hard for experienced drummers. After the little sequencer intro, the sequencer part is straight 4/4 time. Pretty easy to hear where the 1 is once you develop an internal clock. For beginners, yes I would count, but beginners probably aren't going to be able to play the double stroke rolls and various accents anyway. haha

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:02 PM

What about the different sequencer at around 2:45 or so? It helps some people to count there because of the long spaces between the tom fills. Some nice syncopation going on there.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 09:58 PM

Geddy is incredible



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 11:01 PM

View PostLucas, on 22 March 2016 - 09:58 PM, said:

Geddy is incredible



Listen to that tone. The bass growls. For those that notice that Geddy is not in time with the vocals, I would guess it would be due to him playing to the vocal track with reverb added. Kind of annoying to listen to because we all know Ged has a perfect sense of time in the real world. haha

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 11:21 PM

View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

From 1983:


Up tempo!  :outtahere:

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 12:03 AM

Love this. Great to hear it so clear and isolated like that.

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 12:07 AM

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View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

From 1983:


Up tempo!  :outtahere:

Whoa...you really notice it when the synths kick in.

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 01:31 AM

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View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

From 1983:


Up tempo!  :outtahere:

Whoa...you really notice it when the synths kick in.

4:26 - 4:36 there's a strange reflection off Neil's tubular bells that make him look like some deranged mechanical Quasimodo

It's striking me very funny .. but then again, it's 2:30am, and pretty much anything would

Edited by Lucas, 23 March 2016 - 01:33 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 02:31 AM

View PostJARG, on 22 March 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

View PostLeChuck, on 22 March 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'd love to know how he played this on the Moving Pictures / Exit Stage Left tours, since the OB-X synth was off to his left where there's no microphone.  There's also the trick of getting those sample/hold (blippity bloopity) parts to fade in and out.  This might be doable with a foot pedal on the back though.  Certainly this song got easier to play with the new synth/mic arrangements on the Signals tour.

There's been way too much water under the bridge since I saw the MP tour (I think they also played it on the Signals tour, but again, that was a long time ago), so I don't remember this specifically, but what would have prevented them from putting a mic by the OB for those tours?

Nothing stopping them, but from looking at the photos I wasn't seeing a mic over there.  Of course in the photo below, it almost looks like he could use his main mic (possibly swinging it over closer).

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On a side note, I think he must be using one of the Oberheim expression pedals to fade the sample/hold effect in and out.  When listening to those live clips, he is definitely controlling it dynamically (and it's all coming from the same synth - the sample/hold effect actually makes it hard to hear the chords he's playing in the intro - on the record it's two separate tracks, so both are heard clearly)

Edited by LeChuck, 23 March 2016 - 02:33 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 05:39 AM

This is my favorite Rush song and has been since it came out. I have several different versions live and not live spread throughout my music on my phone. I listen to it on several kinds of media. Heck I popped in an 8 track the other day (yes I said 8 track). The funny thing is that I have been listening and singing along to this song and still to this day can not get the words right or the exact timing of the song. My point is that for musicians to play this, holy crap Batman it a hard song. But I think one of the most underrated Rush songs!!




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