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#41 JohnRogers

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 01:27 PM

View Postworkingthemangels63, on 30 July 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostJohnRogers, on 30 July 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

View Postworkingthemangels63, on 30 July 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

I Think putting the klingons at war with the universe is the best thing for anything star trek related to do.like the usa vs russia. is,they aint ever gonna get along well.i think this series will do well.all the other star trek series have.i wonder if this will just on cbs all access? a lot of older ST fans probably have no other way to see it but on regular tv.
The first episode will be "over the air" on CBS, the rest will be broadcast on the CBS streaming service.
I dont see how it can survive with out them syndicating it out like all the other series did. i am not sure if enterprise was,but all the rest were.
Everything I'm hearing is that Ship Wreck Discovery won't last beyond 13 episodes.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 04:51 PM

that is great cause i cant look at jason issc,s as nothing but colonel tavington from the patriot who was a total british asshole! lol

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 04:54 PM

never gonna see another TNG  movie,and i would have loved to  see a final voyage.never gave much thought to voyager,but loved DS9 which went off too early.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:05 PM

One last ominous sign?
http://tvweb.com/sta...-embargoed-cbs/

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 12:07 AM

View Postworkingthemangels63, on 30 July 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

but loved DS9 which went off too early.

7 season was the right time

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 12:08 AM

I'm not hopeful for discovery, but it's the only trek we have now.
I swallowed legend of the rangers, i'll deal with discovery.

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 10:01 PM

Well...

...I think they just killed Star Trek.

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 11:11 PM

View PostKenJennings, on 24 September 2017 - 10:01 PM, said:

Well...

...I think they just killed Star Trek.
It was a mixed bag but I admit I signed tonight up for CBS All Access to catch part two. That is a number CBS will be watching. The previews for the rest of the season seem a mixed bag.

The look aside from the phaser side arm is still all wrong.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 05:32 AM

I thought it was bad.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:29 AM

Straight out of the gate, the dialogue was overly expositional, with the characters spending more time dumbly spelling out exactly what they're doing, than saying anything meaningful. Why would a first officer be telling the captain what they're doing on a routine mission? Hell, why would the first officer and captain be on this routine mission, alone together, in the first place? Does the captain not know what they beamed down to this planet to do? They obviously didn't trust the audience to pay attention for themselves two minutes into the premier... It was an immediate signal of the hackneyed writing that filled the entire two hours.

The pacing of the show was awful too, tying into the complaint of expositional dialogue. The action would come in sporadic, bombastic bursts; with ships firing disruptor beams in a panicked frey suddenly stopping altogether so that a couple of characters could drop what they're doing to explain the plot to the audience again, with the nuance and subtlety of a frenzied giraffe.

Aside from maybe Captain Georgiou, the characters were totally unsympathetic and unrelatable. Their motivations were irrational, more aimed at amping up action than serving the soul of the series. The jump from argument to mutiny was done with all the thoughtfulness of a prison rioter, not a Starfleet office raised with the Vulcan philosophy. Let's set aside the very premise of "The Vulcan Hello", which is such a blatant disregard for the characterization of the peaceful and logical Vulcans that we've spend a half-century getting to know.

That disregard for canon is pervasive too. If you're not going to take advanatage of rich tapestry of canon that Star Trek brings for you to work with, why even make a Star Trek show? Klingons do not care to collect their dead, and this has been a well defined, thoroughly explained trait for them. Here, they throw out that trait, so that they can "Chekov's Gun" a warhead onto their ship in the episode's climax. They couldn't find a more creative way to do it? One that doesn't hold up the abandonment of canon with an almost sadistic betrayal of knowlegable fans? These gleeful little stabs at the core Star Trek community seemed quite intentional, an arrogance that will backfire on this production.

But beyond those finer details of canon, there's the more important "heart and soul" of Star Trek's style. The notion that you win by being better, that you succeed by exemplifying good- not by being devious, cynical and aggressive. Here, those notions are thrown out in favor of more conflict and drama. Even to the last moment of the show, with Burnham facing a shadowy, ominious court martial (not a well lit, transparent, fair and effective system of justice) and getting a LIFE SENTENCE for her failed attempt at mutiny?! I was expecting a demotion and maybe 30 days... but a life sentence for actions that ended up having no impact anyways!? When the HELL did Starfleet turn into such a draconian and unforgiving regime?!

Every note was a failure. Every step was a misstep. This disappointment, this hellish subversion of everything 'Trek' is such a tragic disservice to an art that has beautifully served generations prior. This makes the J.J. Abrams reboots look loyal to canon, makes the worst of Enterprise or Voyager look like masterpieces, and makes the best of TOS and TNG seem like a fading, forgotten dream.

Zero Stars. CBS can go fly a kite with a hole in it.

Edited by KenJennings, 25 September 2017 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:21 AM

View PostKenJennings, on 25 September 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Straight out of the gate, the dialogue was overly expositional, with the characters spending more time dumbly spelling out exactly what they're doing, than saying anything meaningful. Why would a first officer be telling the captain what they're doing on a routine mission? Hell, why would the first officer and captain be on this routine mission, alone together, in the first place? Does the captain not know what they beamed down to this planet to do? They obviously didn't trust the audience to pay attention for themselves two minutes into the premier... It was an immediate signal of the hackneyed writing that filled the entire two hours.

The pacing of the show was awful too, tying into the complaint of expositional dialogue. The action would come in sporadic, bombastic bursts; with ships firing disruptor beams in a panicked frey suddenly stopping altogether so that a couple of characters could drop what they're doing to explain the plot to the audience again, with the nuance and subtlety of a frenzied giraffe.

Aside from maybe Captain Georgiou, the characters were totally unsympathetic and unrelatable. Their motivations were irrational, more aimed at amping up action than serving the soul of the series. The jump from argument to mutiny was done with all the thoughtfulness of a prison rioter, not a Starfleet office raised with the Vulcan philosophy. Let's set aside the very premise of "The Vulcan Hello", which is such a blatant disregard for the characterization of the peaceful and logical Vulcans that we've spend a half-century getting to know.

That disregard for canon is pervasive too. If you're not going to take advanatage of rich tapestry of canon that Star Trek brings for you to work with, why even make a Star Trek show? Klingons do not care to collect their dead, and this has been a well defined, thoroughly explained trait for them. Here, they throw out that trait, so that they can "Chekov's Gun" a warhead onto their ship in the episode's climax. They couldn't find a more creative way to do it? One that doesn't hold up the abandonment of canon with an almost sadistic betrayal of knowlegable fans? These gleeful little stabs at the core Star Trek community seemed quite intentional, an arrogance that will backfire on this production.

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Every note was a failure. Every step was a misstep. This disappointment, this hellish subversion of everything 'Trek' is such a tragic disservice to an art that has beautifully served generations prior. This makes the J.J. Abrams reboots look loyal to canon, makes the worst of Enterprise or Voyager look like masterpieces, and makes the best of TOS and TNG seem like a fading, forgotten dream.

Zero Stars. CBS can go fly a kite with a hole in it.
So you're saying you'll give it a chance?

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 10:26 AM

I have mixed feelings about what I saw last night. I did watch part two on CBS All Access. The aesthetics for the time period really don't look right, except for the phaser side arm. I agree with KJ and could on on for hour about the lousy court martial scene, garbage. A cheap gimmick, any doubt one of those poorly lit characters shows up soon? From the two episodes I watched and the season preview I get the sense we won't get "exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life...boldly going where no one has gone before". Which is unfortunate because that is what the core Trek fan is hungry for.

We might...I stress might, get a good telling of the early Klingon war. That could be interesting but again that isn't the story we've been asking for.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 12:59 PM

It was like watching a video game.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:08 PM

I watched episodes 8 and 9 of Star Trek Continues Sunday as my kids were off at a friend's. Those were really excellent. Hard to believe its a fan production, apart from some of the wooden acting (the Bones character should just forget trying to mimic the original at all). Great writing, thoughtful sci-fi.

This Discovery business? If it were free I'd continue to watch it -- I kind of liked how it was darker than the "canonical" shows that followed TOS -- but I have no plans to pay even more money for things I mostly don't watch. As I've got the MLB app on my phone, and I can stream shows and movies onto my smart tv, I'd get rid of cable all together if it weren't for my kids. I guess this will be the last I see of Discovery until it shows up on Netflix.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 04:52 PM

I knew I wouldn’t watch any other episodes so I didn’t even bother watching the “free one.”

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 08:17 PM

All the episodes are on Netflix outside of the US...finally living abroad is paying off!  

I plan on watching the first episode tonight.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:28 PM

Watched it for about 25 minutes. Women in total control, the male alien crewman comes across as a dumbass. You can expect a gay Vulcan and a transgender Klingon in future episodes. I can't believe they didn't clone Hillary to captain the ship.  :P

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 09:21 AM

The critics like it (74 on metacritic) .

It didn't have the tone of Star Trek, and that's probably a good thing.  I think the first 84 minutes was the intro-movie to get people hooked.  I would expect that the show will get more Star Trek-y as it goes on.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 10:50 AM

View PostKenJennings, on 25 September 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

makes the worst of Enterprise or Voyager look like masterpieces, and makes the best of TOS and TNG seem like a fading, forgotten dream.
Ouch!

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:31 PM

I am not disheartened by Discovery. It has potential.
But that is not prime universe.





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