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#1 tomhealey

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 06:32 AM

So, why does Rush, or any band, go out on tour?  I am not, nor have I ever been, either a musician or a psychologist, but as far as I can imagine, touring is driven by some combination of rewards of money and ego, counterbalanced against things like personal inconvenience, physical ability, etc., and weighed against the same balance for alternative sources of providing money and feeding ego.  It's also possible that a sense of loyalty, to a band member's band mates, if not the fans, also plays a role, although I think that fits into the ego aspect.  Are the rewards for touring the best direction for satisfying these human desires?  Do the negatives outweigh the positives?  Are there alternative means of securing income without incurring the same costs?  Can ego find any other high to match audience accolades?  Are valued friendships lost through a desire to cease touring, or leaving a band? These are the types of things that I think would go into such an assessment.  Each day, all of us make similar decisions, regarding such things as food, leisure activities, and work choices, driven by the same imperatives of money and ego, although likely both the money and ego angles come in at much lower levels.  
           From what we've been able to see, the balancing for Neil clearly weighs against touring.  Perhaps money is less of an imperative at this stage in life, perhaps ego is fed more by daily interaction with Olivia, and perhaps, as I believe, his ebbing abilities have truly made him concerned about playing on stage like "the guy that used to be Neil Peart."  Again, ego.
           So, those of you hoping for future live shows because somehow they owe us, or they didn't play where you wish they'd played, or you didn't like the last setlist, are out of luck, as I don't think those things, in their literal sense, have any role in the balance described above, except to the extent that they impact money and/or ego.
           What sort of things might actually tip the balance toward more live shows for Rush?  Again, I think you should focus on money and ego, the two presumed drivers for this activity.  If bands were allowed to auction off seats, at least in the first twenty rows, that would put more money into the band's pocket that currently goes to unrelated entities through Stubhub, etc.  Auctions would increase the money reward for touring, which might adjust the balancing.  Or if Olivia expressed an interests in having more adult memories of her father playing on stage, that too, might tip the balance.  What if Neil got to a place mentally where he felt that by not playing live, he was depriving future drummers of inspiration?   Would things like that be enough to overcome Neil's inertia?  Will Neil continue to balance these factors over the next few years?
           I don't have answers to these questions, of course, only Neil does.  But I was thinking about them this morning, and thought I'd see if others had any thoughts on the subject.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 07:01 AM

Haha, it's not about money, and it's not about ego. Why even discuss the "what ifs"? Quite simply, it's just OVER, and maybe it's time for people to finally accept that.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 07:10 AM

I really enjoyed my time playing in a band and doing a few local shows a year, but I could never do this sort of thing as a full time job and travel everywhere all the time. I don't know how they did it for so long already.

So I guess I'm with Neil on this one! :D

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 07:32 AM

Nah, I see at least two new "farewell" tours followed by a breakup and reunion tour.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 09:01 AM

Touring is over.

New music is a possibility.


Accept the latter with a glimmer of hope. Neil's not ruled it out, he's said as much

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 09:54 AM

I accept that it's over for Neil, but Tom raises an interesting point- the Olivia factor.  I've wondered that also.  If she reaches a point in the next few years where she says, "Dad, I really wish I could see you play live . . . "   I don't think he'll ever tour again but quite a few artists do those multi-night residencies in New York these days.  I can see them doing one in New York or Toronto if Olivia wants to see Dad play again.

The rest of us would just have to figure out how to get the limited tickets and get there! :D

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:02 AM

I'm sure kNeel is now brainwahsing Olivia into believe Rush and touring 'daddy' never existed.....

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:03 AM

View Postblueschica, on 30 August 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

I accept that it's over for Neil, but Tom raises an interesting point- the Olivia factor.  I've wondered that also.  If she reaches a point in the next few years where she says, "Dad, I really wish I could see you play live . . . "   I don't think he'll ever tour again but quite a few artists do those multi-night residencies in New York these days. I can see them doing one in New York or Toronto if Olivia wants to see Dad play again.

The rest of us would just have to figure out how to get the limited tickets and get there! :D
That will never happen. They'd lose money. Well, that and the fact that Neil will NEVER play live again. lol

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 10:12 AM

View PostFOH Lights, on 30 August 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

Haha, it's not about money, and it's not about ego. Why even discuss the "what ifs"? Quite simply, it's just OVER, and maybe it's time for people to finally accept that.

It's simple. We discuss the "what ifs" because we love the band.

I'm a photographer. I often think "what if my camera could do....." because I love my camera.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 11:09 AM

View PostFOH Lights, on 30 August 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 August 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

I accept that it's over for Neil, but Tom raises an interesting point- the Olivia factor.  I've wondered that also.  If she reaches a point in the next few years where she says, "Dad, I really wish I could see you play live . . . "   I don't think he'll ever tour again but quite a few artists do those multi-night residencies in New York these days. I can see them doing one in New York or Toronto if Olivia wants to see Dad play again.

The rest of us would just have to figure out how to get the limited tickets and get there! :D
That will never happen. They'd lose money. Well, that and the fact that Neil will NEVER play live again. lol

OK, I understand that about Neil.  I don't understand the losing money part.  How did the Allman Brothers do their residencies at the Beacon Theatre for more than 20 years if that type of arrangement loses money?  Billy Joel has been doing once a month shows at Madison Square Garden that continue all through this year.  

I'm not being snarky, I just don't understand the finances.  Are you saying the production values of a Rush show are pretty pricey and it takes many, many tour dates (not just a week) to pay for the show?

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 12:19 PM

Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 12:42 PM

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Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

Yeah, I know they do spend a lot of time doing that before playing anywhere.  I guess I was just daydreaming!  :)

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 12:55 PM

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View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

Yeah, I know they do spend a lot of time doing that before playing anywhere.  I guess I was just daydreaming!  :)

I think we all kind of wish it was still 1974 and we could live it all again. At least as far as the Rush journey goes.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 01:19 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 August 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

Yeah, I know they do spend a lot of time doing that before playing anywhere.  I guess I was just daydreaming!  :)

I think we all kind of wish it was still 1974 and we could live it all again. At least as far as the Rush journey goes.
I don't know about 1974, but I sure would like to relive my Toronto/Montreal/LeStudio/Lakeside Park/Niagara Falls trip from last June that I took with my daughter

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 01:22 PM

View PostMr. JD, on 30 August 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 August 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

Yeah, I know they do spend a lot of time doing that before playing anywhere.  I guess I was just daydreaming!  :)

I think we all kind of wish it was still 1974 and we could live it all again. At least as far as the Rush journey goes.
I don't know about 1974, but I sure would like to relive my Toronto/Montreal/LeStudio/Lakeside Park/Niagara Falls trip from last June that I took with my daughter
That was so wonderful that you guys got to see Le Studio before it was vandalized and make fantastic memories.  Physical landscapes seem to change so quickly these days; it makes me feel old! :codger:  :)

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 01:43 PM

View PostMr. JD, on 30 August 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 August 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 August 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Other than the cost factor, it takes them months of practicing just to get ready to go out on the road. its not like they're going to just throw their stuff in an old truck one day and go play the local VFW hall.

Yeah, I know they do spend a lot of time doing that before playing anywhere.  I guess I was just daydreaming!  :)

I think we all kind of wish it was still 1974 and we could live it all again. At least as far as the Rush journey goes.
I don't know about 1974, but I sure would like to relive my Toronto/Montreal/LeStudio/Lakeside Park/Niagara Falls trip from last June that I took with my daughter

I said '74 because that was when the first album came out. That is cool that you were able to do that. I went to Toronto back in '82 but didn't know what I was looking for. So much more information about them is available now than was back then.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 01:48 PM

Touring is the only way they can really make money and Neil doesn't want to tour.  New music is unlikely since I don't think there is a good roi for the band with new music and no tour.  Hard to say what the future will hold but, if anything happens, it will likely be a short tour or a series of nights in a few larger cities.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:27 PM

View PostMr. JD, on 30 August 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

View PostFOH Lights, on 30 August 2016 - 07:01 AM, said:

Haha, it's not about money, and it's not about ego. Why even discuss the "what ifs"? Quite simply, it's just OVER, and maybe it's time for people to finally accept that.

It's simple. We discuss the "what ifs" because we love the band.

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:28 PM

View PostDel_Duio, on 30 August 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

I really enjoyed my time playing in a band and doing a few local shows a year, but I could never do this sort of thing as a full time job and travel everywhere all the time. I don't know how they did it for so long already.

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