Necromancer Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I just watched Tombstone again last night. I must have seen this movie about twenty times now. I love it. So today I start googling people from the movie and find that MOST of the movie is not even close to how these men really were and how the events of the infamous gunfight at the OK Corral went down. Most historical accounts I've read today have the Cowboy gang as well-liked and bringers of much business into Tombstone. Most historical accounts I've read today have the Earp family, mostly Wyatt himself, as big time abusers of the law. One account says that the main reason for the gunfight was a stagecoach robbery that Earp and Holliday were originally accused of being behind. Also, I'm reading that the legend of what a gunfighter Holliday is is extremely overblown. Now I know that happens in films about the old west, but this is extreme. It kinda kills this movie for me. I started with Wiki on this and followed many links. You can do the same if you want, i'm not posting all the links I read this morning. What do you think of all this? Especially fans of the movie Tombstone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circumstantial tree Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I never cared for Westerns. My father watched them ad nauseum (especially when he was drunk). I feel the same towards gangster movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I've never seen Tombstone. But if you enjoyed the movie isn't that enough regardless of it's historical inaccuracies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtron Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I don't usually like westerns, but Tombstone is one of my favorite movies. Love Sam Elliot in this, if that dude wasn't made for westerns nobody is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRushed Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I rarely expect historical accuracy from any Hollywood movie. It's the nature of the beast to take liberties with history when making a movie. Entertainment over education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesweetscience Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 It all boils down to the fact that real life is just too boring. I am like you necro, I like to read about historical figures. I wathc the history channel alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 23 2007, 11:14 AM) I never cared for Westerns. My father watched them ad nauseum (especially when he was drunk). I feel the same towards gangster movies. Chick flicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circumstantial tree Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 23 2007, 11:14 AM) I never cared for Westerns. My father watched them ad nauseum (especially when he was drunk). I feel the same towards gangster movies. Chick flicks? a few, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (Necromancer @ Dec 23 2007, 10:58 AM) I just watched Tombstone again last night. I must have seen this movie about twenty times now. I love it. So today I start googling people from the movie and find that MOST of the movie is not even close to how these men really were and how the events of the infamous gunfight at the OK Corral went down. Most historical accounts I've read today have the Cowboy gang as well-liked and bringers of much business into Tombstone. Most historical accounts I've read today have the Earp family, mostly Wyatt himself, as big time abusers of the law. One account says that the main reason for the gunfight was a stagecoach robbery that Earp and Holliday were originally accused of being behind. Also, I'm reading that the legend of what a gunfighter Holliday is is extremely overblown. Now I know that happens in films about the old west, but this is extreme. It kinda kills this movie for me. I started with Wiki on this and followed many links. You can do the same if you want, i'm not posting all the links I read this morning. What do you think of all this? Especially fans of the movie Tombstone? I think you'll find that most westerns are exaggerated, especially gunfighters and the level of their skill. For every "man with no name" there's a quattuornonagintillion normal guys who can't shoot for shit, in other words we've yet to see "a man with no name" oh and a quattuornonagintillion is 10^(285) (10 to the power 285) (the biggest number I've seen is a trecentillion which is 10^(903) (10 to the power 903) I doubt that number of people will ever exist, so I'm sorry western freaks we'll never see a gunfighter like Clint Eastwood in reality... "They cheated us!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 23 2007, 02:09 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 01:56 PM) QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 23 2007, 11:14 AM) I never cared for Westerns. My father watched them ad nauseum (especially when he was drunk). I feel the same towards gangster movies. Chick flicks? a few, yes. cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-D-RocK- Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hollywood will always take creative liberties when it comes to movie making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezil Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Unfortunately a good number of people think that Hollywood tells it as historically accurate as possible. Plus they believe the legends anyway. Why are criminals "heroes" of sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:01 PM) Why are criminals "heroes" of sort? That's because secretly a lot of people envy the criminal's ability to flout the rules in an extreme way, a way which they can never do. They covert that freedom and admire the steel they think it takes to go over the edge into chaos and mayhem. Movies about criminals present a fantasy version of this scenario which these people feel free to indulge this admiration to the fullest extent if they wish, without the weight of guilt they feel from secretly admiring a real criminal who has caused actual damage and pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezil Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 10:31 PM) QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:01 PM) Why are criminals "heroes" of sort? That's because secretly a lot of people envy the criminal's ability to flout the rules in an extreme way, a way which they can never do. They covert that freedom and admire the steel they think it takes to go over the edge into chaos and mayhem. Movies about criminals present a fantasy version of this scenario which these people feel free to indulge this admiration to the fullest extent if they wish, without the weight of guilt they feel from secretly admiring a real criminal who has caused actual damage and pain. Are you some sort of psychiatrist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:36 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 10:31 PM) QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:01 PM) Why are criminals "heroes" of sort? That's because secretly a lot of people envy the criminal's ability to flout the rules in an extreme way, a way which they can never do. They covert that freedom and admire the steel they think it takes to go over the edge into chaos and mayhem. Movies about criminals present a fantasy version of this scenario which these people feel free to indulge this admiration to the fullest extent if they wish, without the weight of guilt they feel from secretly admiring a real criminal who has caused actual damage and pain. Are you some sort of psychiatrist? Aye, I just act stupid to offset the possible stuffiness vibe I might otherwise emanate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromancer Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 I watched it again last night and knowing all this true history really affected the way I watched it. I guess I was real annoying, cuz CeeJ got fed up with me telling her that "this scene is a lie" or "this isn't how it went down". So she started reading a book instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lerxt1990 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 The best example of this for me is a movie many of you may not have seen, an absolutely classic film form the 60s called The Day of the Jackal. The lead plans and tries to committ an assasination on Charles DeGaulle. Its a FABULOUS movie. **spoiler here*** Well, every time I see it, I am hopelessly dissapointed that hes unsuccessful in killing DeGaulle - he misses a rifle shot because the first person he tries to pin a medal on is so short he has to bend over. Such a small detail that saved his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezil Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 10:53 PM) QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:36 PM) QUOTE (treeduck @ Dec 23 2007, 10:31 PM) QUOTE (Mrs. Huck Rogers @ Dec 23 2007, 04:01 PM) Why are criminals "heroes" of sort? That's because secretly a lot of people envy the criminal's ability to flout the rules in an extreme way, a way which they can never do. They covert that freedom and admire the steel they think it takes to go over the edge into chaos and mayhem. Movies about criminals present a fantasy version of this scenario which these people feel free to indulge this admiration to the fullest extent if they wish, without the weight of guilt they feel from secretly admiring a real criminal who has caused actual damage and pain. Are you some sort of psychiatrist? Aye, I just act stupid to offset the possible stuffiness vibe I might otherwise emanate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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