Pags Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 QUOTE (Lee S-335 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:45 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:32 PM) There's LEE, changing his name..... AGAIN!?! I thought you'd settled. Yea ... lol ... time for a change ... again!?!? at least it is almost the same! How do you change your name??? I'd love to change mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indica Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 QUOTE (paganoman @ Nov 23 2004, 11:49 PM) QUOTE (Lee S-335 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:45 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:32 PM) There's LEE, changing his name..... AGAIN!?! I thought you'd settled. Yea ... lol ... time for a change ... again!?!? at least it is almost the same! How do you change your name??? I'd love to change mine. I like your name. It has a cool look to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esmeralda Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:59 PM) I think Neil's lyrics are great because they are original. So many bands today write songs about the same things over and over again. That's one of the reasons why Rush is so great. They have that original sound to them, which goes along with the lyrics. Anyone agree with me? Oh YES! Whatelse can I say...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostGirl Posted November 24, 2004 Share Posted November 24, 2004 QUOTE (paganoman @ Nov 23 2004, 10:49 PM) QUOTE (Lee S-335 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:45 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Nov 23 2004, 09:32 PM) There's LEE, changing his name..... AGAIN!?! I thought you'd settled. Yea ... lol ... time for a change ... again!?!? at least it is almost the same! How do you change your name??? I'd love to change mine. If you REALLY want to change, I can help you with that. For a small fee, of course. PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Wise words from moonraker and I can only agree with what's been said about Afterimages and Analog kid. I think that, like the music, often the intellect takes proitity over the heart - and that's no bad thing, but NP has always got a fresh take on things, like in Vapor Trails I find a lot of the songs about recovering from hardship (One Little Victory, Secret Touch, Sweet Miracle) while most writers would have written about the hardship itself. I just don't get that take from else where. I like the reserved emotion of his writing. In your life if you go through hardship you don't actually spend your time wailing to every person you meet, in fact it's the opposite you try to contain it, people outwardly stay the same, emotion slips out and reveals itself in brief unguarded moments. I find this, especially with Vapor Trails, underneath the detached style there is such pain that the emotion slips out and reveals itself. - this all makes sense if you have the emotional range of an Englishman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE (esmeralda @ Nov 24 2004, 12:41 AM) QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Nov 23 2004, 05:59 PM) I think Neil's lyrics are great because they are original. So many bands today write songs about the same things over and over again. That's one of the reasons why Rush is so great. They have that original sound to them, which goes along with the lyrics. Anyone agree with me? Oh YES! Whatelse can I say...... I don't think you can say anything else because it's right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushRevisited Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE (BigG @ Nov 30 2004, 04:00 PM) Wise words from moonraker and I can only agree with what's been said about Afterimages and Analog kid. I think that, like the music, often the intellect takes proitity over the heart - and that's no bad thing, but NP has always got a fresh take on things, like in Vapor Trails I find a lot of the songs about recovering from hardship (One Little Victory, Secret Touch, Sweet Miracle) while most writers would have written about the hardship itself. I just don't get that take from else where. I like the reserved emotion of his writing. In your life if you go through hardship you don't actually spend your time wailing to every person you meet, in fact it's the opposite you try to contain it, people outwardly stay the same, emotion slips out and reveals itself in brief unguarded moments. I find this, especially with Vapor Trails, underneath the detached style there is such pain that the emotion slips out and reveals itself. - this all makes sense if you have the emotional range of an Englishman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostGirl Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE (RushRevisited @ Nov 30 2004, 03:09 PM) QUOTE (BigG @ Nov 30 2004, 04:00 PM) Wise words from moonraker and I can only agree with what's been said about Afterimages and Analog kid. I think that, like the music, often the intellect takes proitity over the heart - and that's no bad thing, but NP has always got a fresh take on things, like in Vapor Trails I find a lot of the songs about recovering from hardship (One Little Victory, Secret Touch, Sweet Miracle) while most writers would have written about the hardship itself. I just don't get that take from else where. I like the reserved emotion of his writing. In your life if you go through hardship you don't actually spend your time wailing to every person you meet, in fact it's the opposite you try to contain it, people outwardly stay the same, emotion slips out and reveals itself in brief unguarded moments. I find this, especially with Vapor Trails, underneath the detached style there is such pain that the emotion slips out and reveals itself. - this all makes sense if you have the emotional range of an Englishman I agree. Very well said, Moon and BigG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Nov 30 2004, 04:18 PM) QUOTE (RushRevisited @ Nov 30 2004, 03:09 PM) QUOTE (BigG @ Nov 30 2004, 04:00 PM) Wise words from moonraker and I can only agree with what's been said about Afterimages and Analog kid. I think that, like the music, often the intellect takes proitity over the heart - and that's no bad thing, but NP has always got a fresh take on things, like in Vapor Trails I find a lot of the songs about recovering from hardship (One Little Victory, Secret Touch, Sweet Miracle) while most writers would have written about the hardship itself. I just don't get that take from else where. I like the reserved emotion of his writing. In your life if you go through hardship you don't actually spend your time wailing to every person you meet, in fact it's the opposite you try to contain it, people outwardly stay the same, emotion slips out and reveals itself in brief unguarded moments. I find this, especially with Vapor Trails, underneath the detached style there is such pain that the emotion slips out and reveals itself. - this all makes sense if you have the emotional range of an Englishman I agree. Very well said, Moon and BigG. Yes indeed. Nicely said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madra sneachta Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Neil doesn't preach, doesn't offer answers and doesn't make proclaimations. He offers concise arguements, perspectives and ideas and challenges the listener to think. I've said before that one of the reasons I initially got into Rush was that I was listening to a lot of AC/DC, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Irons Maiden, Thin Lizzy etc., and while Rush's initial impact on me (The Spirit of Radio) was musical, it was Neil's lyrics that set them apart. BTW, has anyone read the Rush for Dummies series?. I saw it on Counterparts earlier this year, apparently it originated on Alt Music - Rush (which I'ver never seen). It is sacreligious, rude, libellous, sometimes disgusting and the downright funniest thing I have read in years!!!. Let's just say, it would take a lot of editing to post it here under this forum's rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetmiracle Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE (madra sneachta @ Nov 30 2004, 07:08 PM) BTW, has anyone read the Rush for Dummies series?. I saw it on Counterparts earlier this year, apparently it originated on Alt Music - Rush (which I'ver never seen). It is sacreligious, rude, libellous, sometimes disgusting and the downright funniest thing I have read in years!!!. Let's just say, it would take a lot of editing to post it here under this forum's rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annylei Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 I tried ranking my favorite writers, then I gave up after a while... but in no order, they are: Neil Peart (Rush) Maynard James Keenan (Tool, A Perfect Circle) Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, solo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 OK BigG (or whomsoever wants to join in) let's head to head it. We'll duel. I'll set out some lyrics the I reckon are the bees kness and then you set out some Neil lyrics that, you reckon, match it. If, in the not too unlikely event, that we disagree which of the two is self evidently the better we'll all have a discussion. I'm gonna hit you with a big 'un first - what's Neil got to match this from Leonard Cohen's 'Dance Me to the End of Love'? 'Dance me to your beauty with a burning violin Dance me thru the panic till I'm gathered safely in Lift me like an olive branch, and be me homeward dove Dance me to the end of love Let me see your beauty what the witnesses have gone [the killer line] Let me feel you moving like they do in Babylon Show me slowly what i only know the limited of Dance me to the end of love' Let's have it, what's Neil got for that one? Disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushGuru Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 I: Prelude When our weary world was young The stuggle of the ancients first began The God's of love and reason Sought alone to rule the fate of man. The battled through the ages But still neither force would yield Their people were divided Every soul a battlefield. II: Apollo -- Bringer of Wisdom I bring truth and understanding I bring wit and wisdom fair Precious gifts beyond compare We can build a world of wonder I can make you all aware. I will find you food and shelter Show you fire to keep you warm Through the endless winter storm You can live in grace and comfort In the world that you transform. The people were delighted Coming forth to claim their prize They ran to build their cities And converse among the wise. But one day the streets fell silent Yet they knew not what was wrong The urge to build these fine things Seemed not to be so strong. The wise men were consulted And the Bridge of Death was crossed In quest of Dionysus To find out what they had lost. III: Dionysus -- Bringer of Love I bring love to give you solace In the darkest of the night In the hearts eternal light You need only trust your feelings Only love can steer you right. I bring laughter, I bring music I bring joy, and I bring tears I will soothe your primal fears Throw off those chains of reason And your prison disappears. The cities were abandoned And the forests echoed song They danced and lived as brothers They knew love could not be wrong Food and wine they had aplenty And they slept beneath the stars The people were contented And the God's watched from afar. But the winter fell upon them And it caught them unprepared Bringing wolves and cold starvation And the hearts of men despaired. IV: Armageddon -- The Battle of Heart and Mind The universe didvided As the heart and mind collided With a people left unguided For so many troubled years In a cloud of doubts and fears Our world was torn asunder Into hollow hemispheres. Some fought themselves Some fought each other Most just followed one another Lost and aimless like their brothers For their hearts were so unclear And the truth could not appear Their spirits were divided Into blinded hemispheres. Some who did not fight Brought tales of old to light My Rocinante sailed by night On her final flight To the heart of Cygnus' fearsome force We set our course Sailed through that timeless space To this immortal place. V: Cygnus -- Bringer of Balance I have memory and awarness But I have no sphape or form As disembodied spirit I am dead, and yet unborn. I have passed into Olympus As was told in tales of old To the city of immortals Marble white and purest gold. I see the God's in battle rage on high Thunderbolts across the sky I cannot move, I cannot hide I feel a silent scream begin inside. Then all at once the Chaos ceased A stillness fell, a sudden peace The warriors felt my silent cry And stayed their struggle, mystified. Apollo was astonished Dionysus thought me mad But they heard my story further And they wondered and were sad. Looking down from Olympus On a world of doubt and fear It's surface splintered into Sorry hemispheres. They sat a while in silence Then they turned at last to me We will call you Cygnus, The God of Balance you shall be. VI: The Sphere -- A Kind of Dream We can walk our road together If our goals are all the same We can run alone and free If we pursue a different aim. Let the truth of love be lighted Let the love of truth shine clear Sensibility, Armed with sense and liberty With the heart and mind united In a single perfect sphere. Neil Peart-1 Leonard Cohen-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolinda Bonz Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well, THAT was easy. Thanks Rushguru! Neil scores!! Hey, BigG, thanks for mentioning Vapor Trails. I lost my husband a couple of years ago and Vapor Trails is the most fitting description of grief I've ever heard. Oh yeah, AND IT ROCKS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebagel Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 i think neil has got it. he writes his own lyrics and they have meaning. that's what counts. it's not about how many words you can say in 4 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushRevisited Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 QUOTE (Rolinda Bonz @ Dec 2 2004, 10:26 PM) I lost my husband a couple of years ago That sucks I'm so sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto45 Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 He is the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolinda Bonz Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 QUOTE (RushRevisited @ Dec 2 2004, 10:37 PM)QUOTE (Rolinda Bonz @ Dec 2 2004, 10:26 PM) I lost my husband a couple of years ago That sucks I'm so sorry... Thanks, RR. I'll be ok ....someday. I'm really glad you guys (and Girl) started TRF. It's nice to be able to have meaningful conversations with peers without having to get a babysitter. Thanks! But let's not lose this thread There's a whole lot more to be said About Neil and his lyrics atmospherics And the things that go on in my head "I hear their passionate music Read the words that touch my heart" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 Disco, You're right that Cohen does capture that great wonder of finding love, of finding someonr to pull you headlong into a great unknowable journey of intense contentment. I don't think anything from the NP can match that. The closest is 'Salvation' in Sweet Miracle. But then where is Cohen's work on flying a spaceship into a black hole finding the universe of gods? Has he written anything on talking Trees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaine mac Roth Posted December 3, 2004 Share Posted December 3, 2004 QUOTE (Disco @ Dec 3 2004, 12:02 AM) OK BigG (or whomsoever wants to join in) let's head to head it. We'll duel. I'll set out some lyrics the I reckon are the bees kness and then you set out some Neil lyrics that, you reckon, match it. If, in the not too unlikely event, that we disagree which of the two is self evidently the better we'll all have a discussion. I'm gonna hit you with a big 'un first - what's Neil got to match this from Leonard Cohen's 'Dance Me to the End of Love'? 'Dance me to your beauty with a burning violin Dance me thru the panic till I'm gathered safely in Lift me like an olive branch, and be me homeward dove Dance me to the end of love Let me see your beauty what the witnesses have gone [the killer line] Let me feel you moving like they do in Babylon Show me slowly what i only know the limited of Dance me to the end of love' Let's have it, what's Neil got for that one? Disco I actuall think what you proposed is completely and utterly pointless for one reason - When you are talking about anything to do with the arts, be it music, literature, painting, sculpture, film, TV, etc, the comments that are going to be made by anyone are 100% subjective. People like what they like and no amount of saying this is better than that is going to resolve the issue in people's minds. For example, I got into an argument with my brother years ago when he started slagging Neil's lyrics as being too vague and obscure. He started out by saying that he didn't like it when Neil wrote 'airy-fairy' lyrics like 2112. He preferred down to earth reality like Red barchetta. Needless to say, he wasn't amused when I pointed out the lyrics to Red Barchetta are on an immediate level, about rebellion in a dystopian future (I didn't phrase it like that because, at the age of 16, I'd never heard the word dystopian). He then went on to say that the greatest lyrical couplet in the world was:- 'Went for a job at the refinery Hiring man said son if it was up to me' (is it me or that a desperate search for a rhyme). Anyway, back to the question in hand. I think Big G is right when he points out that it impossible to compare the two of them as their subject matter is so opposite. Neil may not be the greatest writer of love songs in the world, but he excels in other areas. Has Cohen ever written anything on the subject of suicide to match: 'No hero in your tragedy No daring in your disgrace No salutes for your surrender Nothing noble in your fate Christ what have you done?' As I said, its all subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Well, BiGG how wierd is that!! I was on the train home and listed to four tracks from Vapor Trails (Vapor Trails, Secret Touch, Earthshine, and Sweet Miracle) and as I hear Sweet Miracle, I thought I'm going to hop the fence on this thread and say NP's the bees knees, the key lyrics being: 'Oh salvation Oh salvation I wasn't praying for magic I was hiding in plain sight Rising up from the surface To fly into the light' Beautul lyrics about pain, finding love and redemption. too wierd you pickjed out the same ones. And yeah, I like the song about the talking trees, but personally I like 'Natural Science' in which our hero becomes very small and goes into this, like, small tidal pool in which all the little creatures then go into hyperspaec to meet some advertising-executives to discuss what music to use in a marketing campaign. Really, the Vapor Trails lyrics, IMHO, are the best NP's ever produced. Disco PS Here's a wierd thing though, many years back, in 1975, he wrote 'I think I'm going Bald'. You could think this was precipitated by noticing a few hairs wandering off, and yet, oddly, not one of them has become bald. Some hair-repair shinanigans going on there I think.... (And yes Slaine Mac Roth, you are right, I was very drunk [and wearing a tuxedo, glam old me] when I posted last night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 3, 2004 Author Share Posted December 3, 2004 Rolinda Bonz I'm very sorry to hear of your loss which must be a great sorrow. Disco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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