jdouglas Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Is there a keyboard forum that discusses how to get close to record sounds? I have a cheapo Yamaha PSRE213 and I'm try to get close to the thumping sound in the first couple of secs in crushcrushcrush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleairwaves Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Just scored a Yamaha DX-7 and TX-7 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartmanm Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I still love my Triton Extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Can anyone tell me how to go about achieving the keyboard sound of The Camera Eye? I know about the step filter and i got that under control...but I still don't know how to make a note go "wow" when hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleairwaves Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 15 2010, 10:07 AM) Can anyone tell me how to go about achieving the keyboard sound of The Camera Eye? I know about the step filter and i got that under control...but I still don't know how to make a note go "wow" when hit Use an envelope generator to control the filter cutoff frequency...set the attack and decay times to about halfway, and keep the sustain level fairly low. Does your keyboard allow you to see the envelope times in milliseconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 16 2010, 10:42 PM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 15 2010, 10:07 AM) Can anyone tell me how to go about achieving the keyboard sound of The Camera Eye? I know about the step filter and i got that under control...but I still don't know how to make a note go "wow" when hit Use an envelope generator to control the filter cutoff frequency...set the attack and decay times to about halfway, and keep the sustain level fairly low. Does your keyboard allow you to see the envelope times in milliseconds? A lot of things on my keyboard are displayed on a scale of 0-127. I'm not entirely sure how to fuss with all that on a Roland Juno Stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleairwaves Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 16 2010, 08:19 PM) QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 16 2010, 10:42 PM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 15 2010, 10:07 AM) Can anyone tell me how to go about achieving the keyboard sound of The Camera Eye? I know about the step filter and i got that under control...but I still don't know how to make a note go "wow" when hit Use an envelope generator to control the filter cutoff frequency...set the attack and decay times to about halfway, and keep the sustain level fairly low. Does your keyboard allow you to see the envelope times in milliseconds? A lot of things on my keyboard are displayed on a scale of 0-127. I'm not entirely sure how to fuss with all that on a Roland Juno Stage. Hmm....I've never used a Juno Stage so I don't know how the interface works, but there must be some way to route an EG to the filter; it's definitely one of the more common synth tricks (and totally vital for that era of Rush). I'm sure there's something in the owner's manual about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 17 2010, 12:06 AM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 16 2010, 08:19 PM) QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 16 2010, 10:42 PM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 15 2010, 10:07 AM) Can anyone tell me how to go about achieving the keyboard sound of The Camera Eye? I know about the step filter and i got that under control...but I still don't know how to make a note go "wow" when hit Use an envelope generator to control the filter cutoff frequency...set the attack and decay times to about halfway, and keep the sustain level fairly low. Does your keyboard allow you to see the envelope times in milliseconds? A lot of things on my keyboard are displayed on a scale of 0-127. I'm not entirely sure how to fuss with all that on a Roland Juno Stage. Hmm....I've never used a Juno Stage so I don't know how the interface works, but there must be some way to route an EG to the filter; it's definitely one of the more common synth tricks (and totally vital for that era of Rush). I'm sure there's something in the owner's manual about it. There better be some way of doing it...it was a $1500 synth I think it can be done, though. I posted on the Roland Clan Forum about it and someone actually responded and gave me something that sounds much closer to what I'm going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) RJunoS-TCE.mp3 - 2.17MB This is what I've gotten so far with The Camera Eye. I'm still trying to find a decent step filter, though. What do you guys think? Edited February 18, 2010 by Tarkus407 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleairwaves Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 17 2010, 10:26 PM) RJunoS-TCE.mp3 - 2.17MB This is what I've gotten so far with The Camera Eye. I'm still trying to find a decent step filter, though. What do you guys think? Sounds awesome! I don't think you're going to get much closer without shelling out for a real Oberheim, but it sounds fantastic the way it is. The step filter part is a little trickier...does the Juno have a sample-and-hold function? Edited February 18, 2010 by invisibleairwaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus406 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 18 2010, 01:39 AM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 17 2010, 10:26 PM) RJunoS-TCE.mp3 - 2.17MB This is what I've gotten so far with The Camera Eye. I'm still trying to find a decent step filter, though. What do you guys think? Sounds awesome! I don't think you're going to get much closer without shelling out for a real Oberheim, but it sounds fantastic the way it is. The step filter part is a little trickier...does the Juno have a sample-and-hold function? Unfortunately, no...I thought it did since the Juno-G does and the guy who sold me on this keyboard said the Juno-Stage was just a more advanced version of the Juno-G..... yeah f*ckin right. $500 more expensive and they cut out the sequencer, sampler, and audio workstation. All of that can be done on the computer through MIDI but it doesn't make sense that they would sell a keyboard with less features for more $$$ Anyway, yeah, no sample-and-hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) Well, that's pretty damn close for the basic overall sound. Very nice. We'll have to work on getting you a bit closer. For starters, on the straight-8th-notes part that kicks in later (Db and C part), I think you should make the attack quite a bit sharper or shorter... it's too mushy as it is. Hmm, no sample and hold. What to do? Thinking... Do you have aftertouch? If so, then use a square wave for the LFO, maybe at 16th notes, and use aftertouch to vary the ENV AMT to the filter, along with the resonance, esp for the 2nd time it occurs at 2:19. It would help to have 2 separate sounds for this, of course, as the S&H part carries on while a new sound starts... If no aftertouch, then maybe you can use an expression pedal or assignable slider or even the mod wheel (joystick on a Roland?) to vary the depth of LFO modifying the filter cutoff freq/resonance... EDIT: on 2nd listen, I think you should crank up the resonance a bit more. Maybe even assign velocity to resonance amount; notice on the original how notes 3 and 6 are a bit louder and squelchier... nit-picking, I know, but just so's in case you wanna... Edited February 25, 2010 by psionic11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Dec 16 2009, 04:07 AM) This finally showed up today http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f141/invisibleairwaves/micron_angle_blue_lg.jpg Alesis Micron analog modelling synth. It's got a Tom Sawyer sweep preset...it isn't very good though Yeah, that Tom Sawyer sound isn't very convincing... what were they thinking? They must have a different set of ears or something. I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Still, the Micron is a nifty little machine. I'm sure it can do a nice TS sweep. Working on it. On the Korg, I went with the approach of quick LFO => filter cutoff => on a basic sound where the filter ENV dove while the LFO worked on it... Seems with the preset Micron approach they take a bass sound, but apply a heavy resonance dive attached to an ENV dive... no LFO involved? For me, the dive is two different sounds: the Taurus bass and an OB dive w/LFO. The dive is the important part to emulate, forget about the bass, it can be done by just about anything. Layers is all we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Signals Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 QUOTE (psionic11 @ Feb 25 2010, 01:14 AM) QUOTE I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Do tell what sounds you have for which songs.... I have a DW8000 and EX8000 QUOTE I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Do tell what sounds you have for which songs.... I have a DW8000 and EX8000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Signals Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 QUOTE (psionic11 @ Feb 25 2010, 01:14 AM) QUOTE I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Do tell what sounds you have for which songs.... I have a DW8000 and EX8000 QUOTE I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Do tell what sounds you have for which songs.... I have a DW8000 and EX8000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I sadly don't have my DW8000 anymore, miss it more than my Juno 106. I did several Rush songs on it: Tom Sawyer La Villa Strangiato YYZ Subdivisions 2112 intro (band never performed whole song live tho) Countdown The Weapon The Camera Eye For The Camera Eye, I assigned the data slider to waveform, and just manually jiggled it to reproduce the sample and hold part, but with more "color"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtothesky Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 QUOTE (psionic11 @ Feb 25 2010, 08:08 PM) I sadly don't have my DW8000 anymore, miss it more than my Juno 106. I did several Rush songs on it: Tom Sawyer La Villa Strangiato YYZ Subdivisions 2112 intro (band never performed whole song live tho) Countdown The Weapon The Camera Eye For The Camera Eye, I assigned the data slider to waveform, and just manually jiggled it to reproduce the sample and hold part, but with more "color"... I had a DW8000 as well. It was perfect for Rush songs. What I really liked about it was the effects and being able to add delay to the patches. It made the Tom Sawyer intro sound amazing. Major step up from the Poly 61 and super user-friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog guy Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I'm not much of a keyboardist, but I do have a Korg TR61. I haven't really found a good Subdivisions patch on it yet... I used to have an N364 which had a great one, but I sold it when I moved back to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaheavypsy Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (hartmanm @ Feb 3 2010, 01:19 PM)I still love my Triton Extreme I like the Korg Triton Le. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaheavypsy Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (Cowtothesky @ Feb 25 2010, 10:33 PM) QUOTE (psionic11 @ Feb 25 2010, 08:08 PM) I sadly don't have my DW8000 anymore, miss it more than my Juno 106. I did several Rush songs on it: Tom Sawyer La Villa Strangiato YYZ Subdivisions 2112 intro (band never performed whole song live tho) Countdown The Weapon The Camera Eye For The Camera Eye, I assigned the data slider to waveform, and just manually jiggled it to reproduce the sample and hold part, but with more "color"... I had a DW8000 as well. It was perfect for Rush songs. What I really liked about it was the effects and being able to add delay to the patches. It made the Tom Sawyer intro sound amazing. Major step up from the Poly 61 and super user-friendly. What do Korg DW8000's go for these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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papaheavypsy Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 18 2010, 10:38 AM)QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Feb 18 2010, 01:39 AM) QUOTE (Tarkus407 @ Feb 17 2010, 10:26 PM) RJunoS-TCE.mp3 - 2.17MB This is what I've gotten so far with The Camera Eye. I'm still trying to find a decent step filter, though. What do you guys think? Sounds awesome! I don't think you're going to get much closer without shelling out for a real Oberheim, but it sounds fantastic the way it is. The step filter part is a little trickier...does the Juno have a sample-and-hold function? Unfortunately, no...I thought it did since the Juno-G does and the guy who sold me on this keyboard said the Juno-Stage was just a more advanced version of the Juno-G..... yeah f*ckin right. $500 more expensive and they cut out the sequencer, sampler, and audio workstation. All of that can be done on the computer through MIDI but it doesn't make sense that they would sell a keyboard with less features for more $$$ Anyway, yeah, no sample-and-hold Random sample-hold the one you need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaheavypsy Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (psionic11 @ Feb 25 2010, 12:14 AM)QUOTE (invisibleairwaves @ Dec 16 2009, 04:07 AM) This finally showed up today <img width='740' src='http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f141/invisibleairwaves/micron_angle_blue_lg.jpg' border='0' alt='User posted image' /> Alesis Micron analog modelling synth. It's got a Tom Sawyer sweep preset...it isn't very good though Yeah, that Tom Sawyer sound isn't very convincing... what were they thinking? They must have a different set of ears or something. I got better-sounding Rush sounds on my DW8000. Still, the Micron is a nifty little machine. I'm sure it can do a nice TS sweep. Working on it. On the Korg, I went with the approach of quick LFO => filter cutoff => on a basic sound where the filter ENV dove while the LFO worked on it... Seems with the preset Micron approach they take a bass sound, but apply a heavy resonance dive attached to an ENV dive... no LFO involved? For me, the dive is two different sounds: the Taurus bass and an OB dive w/LFO. The dive is the important part to emulate, forget about the bass, it can be done by just about anything. Layers is all we need. A freind of mine has the Alesis Micron. Despite looking rather simple it is deceptively powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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papaheavypsy Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 QUOTE (rstanleyyz @ Jun 27 2006, 07:36 PM) Yamaha DX27 through a Midisport UNO into my Mac, using Ableton Live and Garageband. I have a Line6 Toneport, but I don't like it that much. How do you use Ableton Live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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