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Did you immediately recognize him? To apply some of what I've learned on this thread: You merely convinced yourself it happened. "It took decades to realize it was Neil." Welcome back. I thought you concluded I was a liar or had delusion disorder. Why would you think that? From your comments and questions. I don't think you're lying about your experience. I do have my doubts that the person you met is the person you think you met. I struggle with the notion of a guy who was very uncomfortable meeting fans would try so hard to out himself to a fan. I also struggle with the timeline with respect to him being on a motorcycle. Again, I'm not saying your account is impossible, but improbable. I get that you believe it as told, but me not believing it doesn't mean I think you're a liar. So yes, maybe deluded on your part, but maybe not. I can't say for sure since I don't (and can't) know the truth of your story.

Did you immediately recognize him? To apply some of what I've learned on this thread: You merely convinced yourself it happened. "It took decades to realize it was Neil." Welcome back. I thought you concluded I was a liar or had delusion disorder. Why would you think that?

Did you immediately recognize him? To apply some of what I've learned on this thread: You merely convinced yourself it happened. "It took decades to realize it was Neil."

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him. You raise interesting points. Yes, he clearly avoided attention from fans. I can say confidently, he wasn't eager for me to recognize him. I think he found it entertaining. You're right, I did not recognize him until many years later when I saw an old interview from around Permanent Waves. The way he looked in that interview is close to his appearance when I saw him. I honestly do not believe it was someone else. But is there a chance it wasn't actually Neil (regardless of what you believe)? Where did you see the show? Yes, there's a chance, despite my certainty. The show was in St. Paul, MN. It was my first Rush concert. And where did the encounter take place? St. Paul? A small town in Wisconsin. I hesitate to say the exact location because I prefer not to give details that could identify me. The town is a fairly short drive to I-94. Rush had a few days off between shows, and Neil had been riding on backroads to get to MIchigan. I clearly remember wearing my Rush t-shirt without a jacket to walk to the gas station that day. According to their tour history that i found online, they played St. Paul in late March 1986, and then Michigan a few days later. IIRC, it was the first tour that included some rest breaks, and the first tour they "enjoyed" according to (I think) Alex. The typical route to Michigan would take him through Wisconsin. You may be a bit nonplussed by this quote from Peart. Yes, I will dig into this because i am 100% certain it was a BMW he was driving. And it had a stereo. I believe you when you say you were certain about the BMW. I also believe you when you say you initially didn't think the guy you met was Peart. I suppose I also believe that you've convinced yourself (apparently years after the fact, if I have the timeline correct) that it was Peart. I don't think you actually met Peart, though. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems very improbable.

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him. You raise interesting points. Yes, he clearly avoided attention from fans. I can say confidently, he wasn't eager for me to recognize him. I think he found it entertaining. You're right, I did not recognize him until many years later when I saw an old interview from around Permanent Waves. The way he looked in that interview is close to his appearance when I saw him. I honestly do not believe it was someone else. But is there a chance it wasn't actually Neil (regardless of what you believe)? Where did you see the show? Yes, there's a chance, despite my certainty. The show was in St. Paul, MN. It was my first Rush concert. And where did the encounter take place? St. Paul? A small town in Wisconsin. I hesitate to say the exact location because I prefer not to give details that could identify me. The town is a fairly short drive to I-94. Rush had a few days off between shows, and Neil had been riding on backroads to get to MIchigan. I clearly remember wearing my Rush t-shirt without a jacket to walk to the gas station that day. According to their tour history that i found online, they played St. Paul in late March 1986, and then Michigan a few days later. IIRC, it was the first tour that included some rest breaks, and the first tour they "enjoyed" according to (I think) Alex. The typical route to Michigan would take him through Wisconsin. You may be a bit nonplussed by this quote from Peart.

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him. You raise interesting points. Yes, he clearly avoided attention from fans. I can say confidently, he wasn't eager for me to recognize him. I think he found it entertaining. You're right, I did not recognize him until many years later when I saw an old interview from around Permanent Waves. The way he looked in that interview is close to his appearance when I saw him. I honestly do not believe it was someone else. But is there a chance it wasn't actually Neil (regardless of what you believe)? Where did you see the show? Yes, there's a chance, despite my certainty. The show was in St. Paul, MN. It was my first Rush concert. And where did the encounter take place? St. Paul?

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him. The attention to detail yet not being able to recognize the drummer in your favorite band seems off...”off” in the sense that yeah, it wasn’t Neil in exactly the way that you’re talking about. I hear you. I wish we could speak in person, because you would believe me after a couple minutes. But the more I try to convince you, the more suspicious I sound. Don’t think too deeply. If you read my post again, I’m saying it could be an honest mistake and not a matter of you being dishonest. That’s a big difference. In any case, you don’t need to convince anyone of whether it happened or not. There’s no way you can prove it, and there’s no way we can disprove it. So all there’s left is conversation...which is what we’ve been doing the whole time :cheers: True! And those are great insights. I really can't prove it. Funny, my then-girlfriend said a few days later, "That guy you met probably did work for Rush, because (some guy in town) got Neil Peart's autograph." And still I didn't catch it! I said. "Bullshi*! I met that guy. It was not Neil Peart." I think your initial instincts were right.

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him. You raise interesting points. Yes, he clearly avoided attention from fans. I can say confidently, he wasn't eager for me to recognize him. I think he found it entertaining. You're right, I did not recognize him until many years later when I saw an old interview from around Permanent Waves. The way he looked in that interview is close to his appearance when I saw him. I honestly do not believe it was someone else. But is there a chance it wasn't actually Neil (regardless of what you believe)? Where did you see the show?

The original poster seems like a good dude who’s played right along with all the jokes and pokes. I’m sure he knows he can tell the full story anytime he likes. I haven’t seen any posts that have told him to shut up or anything like that. The only thing stopping him is a constantly weak phone battery! :P Doubt he can get a word in! Some people do like the sound of their own voice a bit too much! It came up when he was trying to bring me to the realization he was Neil. This is what strikes me as very odd. Neil was notorious for shunning the trappings of fame. Hell, he even wrote a song about it, and yet here he is trying so very hard to be recognized. That just doesn't pass the sniff test with me. Any chance the dude wasn't Neil but was trying to fool you into thinking he was? You yourself said you didn't recognize him.

I’d ease a newbie into things. Probably start with New World Man, then maybe Subdivisions, and if those went well follow with Limelight. If they were still with me then I’d do Signals, MP, and PeW.

http://youtu.be/C2cMG33mWVY

19. Snakes & Arrows 18. Clockwork Angels 17. Vapor Trails 16. Test For Echo 15. Hold Your Fire 14. Roll the Bones 13. Counterparts 12. Presto 11. Rush 10. Power Windows 09. Fly By Night 08. Grace Under Pressure 07. Caress of Steel 06. Signals 05. A Farewell to Kings 04. 2112 03. Permanent Waves 02. Moving Pictures 01. Hemispheres

And here's some likely useless info about CD Video: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Video

The disk says it's made in the UK. Maybe you need to insert it into the left side of the computer. ;)

I’ve teed it up. Let’s see if anyone can get it on the green.

Why do you hate science? Because it’s used to make people like me look bad.

Fake News

Yeah. Quick, someone start a "Worst RUSH song" thread. I'm inclined to agree that, despite the relatively cordial tone of most posters here, closing it would be a possibly good option. If this thread continues to draw interest, topics like the discussion of Geddy's base tone on Presto will eventually move off the first page, and that's probably closer to what more posters are interesting. If you're interested in discussing trivial matters, SOCN is the place to go, and this subforum can be clear of the clutter.

You again?!

It's gossipy, and it's about a section of the forums with exclusivity. It's kind of like if some of the staff at Area 51 announced in Times Square that they had a problem with the General overseeing Area 51. Except not that epic at all. But still very epic for TRF's main forum. There are (as of this writing) only two threads on the "Rush" page that go to page 13. In this thread, your post #258 was reached in 4 days. In the other thread it took 78 days to hit its post #258.

A refreshing break from the same old, same old?

You'll be happy to know he quit in a huff.

And this is what is so fascinating to me, because you're assessment is wrong. Just a couple of weeks ago many of us revisited the test and we fall towards the bottom left. We posted those results, and you had a chance to look them over. Not sure how you missed it. I think this is a perfect example of someone coming into SOCN with a particular lens and only seeing what they want to see, especially when their ideas are challenged. Hmmmm...I guess I need to revisit that thread, too. As I recall many people were somewhere in the lower right quadrant. That said, I would put the "SOCN center" more left than where NWK has it. It's Y-axis positioning is about right, though.

I also think it's good to manage one's expectations/motives when deciding to join SOCN. If you go in there with the mindset that you're going to change the minds of people who are deeply entrenched in their points of view (and most of us in there are, and that's probably because the average age of SOCN is somewhere in the 40s), then you're going to experience disappointment. Yes, you may cause someone to reevaluate their stance on a particular topic, but as far as I can tell as a long-time member of SOCN, most of my fellow long-time members hold pretty much the same views today as they did the first time I engaged with them. And of course you need a thick skin. For most folks in SOCN, politics is something they hold pretty dear, and they'll strongly defend their points of view when challenged, and strongly challenge other points of views. As I said, nothing you say is likely to change anyone's mind, but be expected to argue as if that could happen, which means your arguments generally need to be sound and supported. So if you want to test your ideas against those who don't hold them and see how they measure up, or if you're sincerely interested in seeing why other people believe what they believe, or if you just get off on knowing that people read what you write (*ahem*), and if you've got a thick skin, SOCN can be a fun place. If your goal is to tell people with different points of view from yours that they're morons, or if you can't support your points of view with sound logic and/or quality citations (or if you get butt-hurt when those shortcomings become fodder for ridicule), then SOCN is going to feel pretty hostile.