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Stained Class Stained. Class. I need to own this. Also, the copy I have out from the library has a couple bonus tracks on it. One is an unreleased studio track (can't remember the title) that sounds like it's from the 80s at least by the production value, but the back cover says it was recorded in the early years of the band. Anyone know this track and when it was actually written/recorded. For reference the other bonus track is a live version of "Better By Me"

Happy birthday to two of (what I understand to be) metal's greatest albums: http://d24jnm9llkb1ub.cloudfront.net/icpn/00602537890927/00602537890927-cover-zoom.jpg 30 yrs. 35 yrs.

Got to be either Distant Early Warning or Red Sector A, Ged really perfected writing a song around a synth bit on the whole album. Those two are just chilling, exciting, excellent. Buuuuut, if you want to broaden your definition of "riff" to repeated melody line, Xanadu and Tom Sawyer are right up there.

I have to ask though, who exactly are you referring to? And for that matter which hard rock and metal are you referring to? I've really not heard many criticisms of 80s rock and metal outside of the loads of hair bands that were accused of putting style over substance. Keep in mind, it's not just me who says this. https://youtu.be/oIJpvhc1PRU Like I said, I rarely agree with Eddie Trunk, but on this subject, he's dead on. First, thanks for answering me. Second: Okay. I respect Eddie Trunk, picked up his guide to hard rock and heavy metal recently from the library and it's full of good stuff. What I don't really get though is which 80s bands he's saying have been maligned here. If he's talking strictly Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Scorpions, Guns N' Roses and the other most famous bands that tend to get classified as definitive "hair metal" (though I know GNR is often seen as not a part of that), then I really don't see what he's getting at, or at least I don't agree. Where I'm from, those bands and that music is on the classic rock stations all the time, always has been. Now granted the classic rock stations here still hesitate to delve into anything Grunge or afterwards (which I appreciate, cuz I still see Nirvana as a dividing line for this radio format), but the stations here play classic 80s rock right along side the classic 70s rock without even thinking about it. I just don't see the lack of attention for these bands he's pointing to. However, If he's talking about (what I've always perceived to be) the less famous of the "hair bands," the one's whom I've always perceived as essentially one hit or one album wonders, he might be onto something. Bands like Cinderella, Great White, Warrant, whoever does "Turn Up The Radio" (can't remember), and even Ratt and Twisted Sister to an extent, don't often get recognition on classic rock radio, or if they do it's for basically one big song and perhaps one lesser hit. That first band he mentioned for example, I've never heard of them, likely because they aren't played on the classic rock stations that introduced me to the genre. I've always just figured that the one's I do hear on the radio a lot, the Def Leppards and Motley Crues and the like, are the most noteworthy and famous acts from the period and thus the only ones which still deserve massive radio play. If Eddie's saying here that there's a whole world of bands out there that I don't hear on the radio, not because they weren't popular and successful, but because they were "hair metal" and were unfairly maligned for being so, then I want to hear about these bands and see the evidence, because I'd hate to have a misguided view of the decade. But for now, I really can't think of any "hair bands" worth mentioning that I don't hear often on the radio. For now, we disagree.

RnB...can't be! I know. Sorry, man. Those bands do nothing for me. Not even their Prog stuff? Queen was more Prog-like than Prog at times. Queen introduced me to prog before Rush, before Yes, before Floyd, and long before Genesis. The Prophet's Song The March Of The Black Queen Father To Son In The Lap Of The Gods Millionaire Waltz My Fairy King Great King Rat, Liar, and Was It All Worth It (to an extent) Innuendo And of course Bohemian Rhapsody

http://media.hollywood.com/images/l/drevil.jpg Dang. That's gonna take me a while to save up. Let's talk in 2112.

I think the disses of Queen and early Genesis must have silently lured me here. Now that I'm here, I do like the Eagles, but not half as much as Queen and Genesis (both eras). I've never really understood what people hate about them, other than their personalities. Great songs, perfect senses of harmony and melody, great variety. Yeah they got a little soft towards the end, and yeah they were more country than rock at times, but I just don't see how that's a bad thing. They never claimed to be a heavy rock band in the first place. Again: GREAT songs. But I prefer my first and fourth favorite bands :P

Wait Book II is on it too? I didn't read closely enough... Now does that make me like it more or less....? ...okay, more, cuz more Rush is more Rush and that can't be a bad thing...but Book I is the best.

EPIC! ...how much?

Are you kidding me? Those thunderous snares were the best! New wave had more tinny guitars then metal ever had in the 80s. I don't understand why you respond to just this message out of all the other ones since your last post. I especially don't understand why you respond to this and not the question I directly asked you. May I ask why you chose not to answer my question?

Part III? That better mean they're secretly in the studio now recording Cygnus X-1 Book III and not that you typed more I's than you intended.

I have to ask though, who exactly are you referring to? And for that matter which hard rock and metal are you referring to? I've really not heard many criticisms of 80s rock and metal outside of the loads of hair bands that were accused of putting style over substance.

80s pop and pop-rock is often maligned because they say it hasn't aged well or it wasn't as good as in the seventies (the pop-rock anyway). While there is substance to that argument, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say there was no good metal or rock in the 80s...metal especially, I mean come on? Metal didn't just thrive in the 80s, it conquered. That's just undeniable. As far as other rock goes, there were lots of great new bands and lots of great music still being made, it's just that the transition from the seventies to the eighties saw a plethora of great bands become much more commercial and successful and subsequently become much worse (in most people's opinions). Plus, a lot of people don't enjoy the hard rock and heavy metal that got really big in the 80s (Motley Crue, Metallica, Guns 'N Roses, and all the rest), but by the end of the decade, most of the rock world was either following hair and heavy metal or falling into irrelavance (e.g. Styx, Journey, Queen in America, and so many more). The 80s are roughly where pop (in the stereotypical sense) and dance music started dominating the charts more than rock, and that trend has pretty much continued to today, where rock's chart appeal has reached an all time low. To put it shortly, the 80s are seen as when a lot of the things rock fans don't like about the state of rock and roll began, but that doesn't mean people don't appreciate the rock and metal that came out that decade. I believe most "classic rock" stations are much more prone to playing a plethora of AOR and hair metal hits from the 80s than any number of early rock and roll hits from the 60s (even a lot of early Stones and The Who, despite their legendary status). If any decade has the lowest appreciation for hard rock and heavy metal...it's probably either the one we're in or the one we just left seven years ago. But I do struggle to say that, cuz last decade there were still LOTS of popular modern rock bands and modern metal bands earning followings and commercial appeal from everywhere. Did they become as big and legendary as many of the "classic rock" and classic metal bands some decades prior? No, but they have TONS of devotees, I can tell you that. And in this decade, when even most of them have seen their heyday, I think interest in "classic rock" (sorry to keep using the term) and metal has kind of blown up across age and gender divides. I mean, take Rush as an example. The same ever-growing cult fanbase of the same kind of people for however many years, then all of the sudden their new album hits number 2 on the charts, they get into the RRHOF, Dave Grohl inducts them and claims that they've finally become cool, and I sat next to a whole family with kids younger than me present (and not just the boys!) at my first ever Rush concert up in the nosebleeds. There's been a really heavy interest in old bands like Rush throughout this decade, with more and more of those classic artists seeing commercial and artistic resurgences many had long since given up hope for (e.g. Anthrax, Bowie, and so many more...). I mean, Bob Dylan just won a Nobel prize for his lyrics! This might just be the most successful decade for that broad group of artists since their respective heydays, the decade when they've all finally obtained that omnipresent label: classic. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my perspective on things. I think people give the charts and the current radio stations too much credit when they try to make sense of what's popular/appreciated and what isn't. There are whole worlds of music and fandom out there that those sources just fail to capture.

You couldn't have gone wrong with any of the choices available. Justice is a great album. I know a lot of fans criticize it because the bass is drowned out in the production but I never listened to Metallica for the bass. They have always been about great riffs and James's powerful vocal delivery to me. Yeah, I didn't notice there wasn't any bass until I saw it pointed out online, and I still don't really care. Odds are he's just miming the riffs anyway (though I could be wrong), and there's PLENTY of guitar to cover for it. Blackened, AJFA, Dyer's Eve, One, TLITD... Shoot, they're all great. Love this album, probably more than that Anthrax album I bought a couple months ago, though I still dig that too.

I don't think buying it on unofficial blu-Ray is really any different to Brian than buying the VHS and transposing it to Blu-Ray yourself. Obviously someone's already done so. I'd buy it.

You need to also check out Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. They are all classics. I have. I actually have Ride The Lightning out rn. It's just I'vd had a lot more listening time with AJFA and it grew on me, but that might also happen with RTL now, enjoy it very much too. Lol, I may end up liking both better than MoP.

I ended up getting ...And Justice For All, not out of disprespect for others' suggestions, but simply because I expect this to be the only time I ever see Metallica albums going for so cheap on iTunes, and I had a bit of a connection with that one a few months ago when I had it out from the library.

Well, if there's any definite ten in my life it's this masterpiece, however widely acknowledged: http://dhgkpqsiufwl2.cloudfront.net/media/ArticleSharedImage/imageFull/.f3C7LS6U/ArticleSharedImage-53601.jpg

Dang, literally inspired practically all the popular music that came after his prime. Hope he lived a full and happy life.

So I know I posted about my curiousity regarding metal a while back, but I think now I'm starting to get it. Judas Priest Stained Class is excellent and I think I might soon be a Judas Priest fan. I've also been getting into Anthrax, Metallica, and Slayer somewhat, with pretty good results. I bought Anthrax Among The Living recently, and I really enjoy most of it, especially since most of the songs have a real melody. I also discovered I really enjoy Metallica ...And Justice For All. And I think at the very moment my first experience with Ride The Lightning is going very well as well, so count me in as a fan of old school Metallica. The Slayer stuff I've listened to (Reign In Blood, Seasons In The Abyss) I've enjoyed, but I haven't been thrilled with. Anyway my real reason for posting (other than that update), is I was just browsing iTunes and they appear to currently have a whole bunch of classic metal albums at the low low price of 4.99 a pop (or 5.99 for a couple). I wouldn't ask here if I knew what to get (if I do decide to get something), but since one of my new favorite metal albums (Stained Class) is sadly not on the list of cheapies, I really don't know. Here are some of the albums currently that low that interest me: Metallica - ...And Justice For All, Ride The Lightning Slayer - Seasons In The Abyss, South Of Heaven, Reign In Blood, Divine Intervention Anthrax - State Of Euphoria, For All Kings, Spreading The Disease, Persistance Of Time, Attack Of The Killer B's S.O.D. - Speak English Or Die Black Sabbath - Paranoid, Master Of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Heaven And Hell, Black Sabbath, 13 Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny Megadeth - Peace Sells...But Who's Buying, Countdown To Extinction, Dystopia, Youthanasia, So Far, So Good...So What? That's not all of them, but many of the most famous ones I spotted. I own none of them. If you were in my position, what one album would you get?

How old is your dad? Early 50s, he's on here you know, though he rarely logs on. Amps211. Btw, he didn't care much for Stained Class, lamented over the production not sounding as good as Electric Eye. Oh well, I love it.

I didn't think this through. I left Stained Class on the bannister this morning for my dad to listen to, but I forgot that if he takes it I can't listen to it. Anxiously awaiting his return.

That's a lot of words...but it is a great scream....

I believe I'll be anticipating this more as the release rolls nearer.