skullchrist Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Bottom line. On this one I believe they actually listened to their producer. Just going with my gut instinct here. They were so used to running the show that some stagnation started to set in. Just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 08:10 AM) QUOTE (greyfriar @ Jul 27 2012, 04:10 AM) Easy to answer: - Touching songs (Halo Effect, The Garden) - Epic rock songs (Clockwork Angels, Headlong Flight) - Guitar Soli are back (The Anarchist, HF, The Garden, CA...) - Concept album with great story - Experiments with sounds - guitars, vocals (Carnies, BU2B2) - Fantastic string arrangements - Hooks, Refrains, Melodies (The Wreckers, Wish Them Well, 7 Cities...) - Groovy, trippy jam sections - Straight ahead rockers (Caravan, BU2B+new Intro) - Great artwork - The Wassermans ^..^^..^ - .............................(it's your turn to complete the list) Outstanding points my friend...one piece you didn't mention: Booujzhe Agreed! Fantastic points!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (skullchrist @ Jul 27 2012, 09:38 AM) Bottom line. On this one I believe they actually listened to their producer. Just going with my gut instinct here. They were so used to running the show that some stagnation started to set in. Just my humble opinion. Great point and true. After a while, without someone being around to help you gain perspective nad tap into your true strengths, as an artist, you can tend to drift or even become complacent. Nick was even quoted as telling the guys, "Hey, you're RUSH .....you can do this....you've done it before!".....or something like that. Some may disagree and that's fine, but I think Nick is good for Rush....even though he's a fan, I don't think he lets his admiration for them get in the way for what he thinks is best for them at this stage of their career. Even Geddy recognized that in one of his interviews and talked about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Edited July 27, 2012 by Tombstone Mountain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. like Terry Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 27 2012, 11:31 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. like Terry Brown? don't think it would happen but i like the guy from tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReflectedLight Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 11:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it some of it's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:34 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 11:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it some of it's broke. I don't see it. This is a new sounding Rush. When I listen to this record what you percieve as flaws,is really the character of the album coming through...which is undeniably great!!! This is not a crew is disarray and FUBAR. They work well together, and they listen to instruction/suggestions. Plus, they TRUST Nick. as well they should Just me though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCFIELDS Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 10:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it There are some production issues with it....you, being in the Rush marketing/promotions dept. must be aware of that. C'mon now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jul 27 2012, 11:39 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 10:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it There are some production issues with it....you, being in the Rush marketing/promotions dept. must be aware of that. C'mon now I know I know There are production issues...like they are producing amazing sonic lava!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Well, since Signals, Rush has never stuck with one producer for more than 2 consecutive records, am I right? Maybe it will be different this time....who knows. That's assuming they continue with another one. Edited July 27, 2012 by Gedneil Alpeart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 27 2012, 11:42 AM) Well, since Signals, Rush has never stuck with one producer for more than 2 consecutive records, am I right? Maybe it will be different this time....who knows. That's assuming they continue with another one. Instrumental album...bank on it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jul 27 2012, 11:39 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 10:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it There are some production issues with it....you, being in the Rush marketing/promotions dept. must be aware of that. C'mon now Well, you're one of the heads of Rush Complaints & Grievances, so maybe you can lay it all out for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaldad Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 They musically redeemed themselves for that shit sandwich S&A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyfriar Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 02:10 PM) QUOTE (greyfriar @ Jul 27 2012, 04:10 AM) Easy to answer: - Touching songs (Halo Effect, The Garden) - Epic rock songs (Clockwork Angels, Headlong Flight) - Guitar Soli are back (The Anarchist, HF, The Garden, CA...) - Concept album with great story - Experiments with sounds - guitars, vocals (Carnies, BU2B2) - Fantastic string arrangements - Hooks, Refrains, Melodies (The Wreckers, Wish Them Well, 7 Cities...) - Groovy, trippy jam sections - Straight ahead rockers (Caravan, BU2B+new Intro) - Great artwork - The Wassermans ^..^^..^ - .............................(it's your turn to complete the list) Outstanding points my friend...one piece you didn't mention: Booujzhe That's why I left the last line blank - thanks for adding the amazing Booujzhe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Jul 27 2012, 11:59 AM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jul 27 2012, 11:39 AM) QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 10:32 AM) QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Jul 27 2012, 11:30 AM) if there is another album i'd like to see someone different in the mix. If it aint broke do mess with it There are some production issues with it....you, being in the Rush marketing/promotions dept. must be aware of that. C'mon now Well, you're one of the heads of Rush Complaints & Grievances, so maybe you can lay it all out for us? good retort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 There's a few things for me: 1. Catchy songs - Rush was never about hits, but the last two albums lacked many songs that were memorable once the CD was out of the player. 2. Few plodding songs that go nowhere - this destroyed S&A. Almost every song other than the instrumentals and Far Cry were trudging songs that had neither pace or any place to go. 3. Guitar solos - They're BACK BABY! 4. Light and Shadow - The album has a flow, filled with highs and lows, that make it very easy to listen to it over and over again. 5. Tight and loose - The songs benefit from faster pacing and looser "feels", even though the technical proficiency is still there. For me, this is the best album since MP for these reasons. In a perfect world, the production and the sound would be cleaner, and the vocals less processed, but this is an improvement over the last two albums anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintonb Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (LedRush @ Jul 27 2012, 01:40 PM) There's a few things for me: 1. Catchy songs - Rush was never about hits, but the last two albums lacked many songs that were memorable once the CD was out of the player. 2. Few plodding songs that go nowhere - this destroyed S&A. Almost every song other than the instrumentals and Far Cry were trudging songs that had neither pace or any place to go. 3. Guitar solos - They're BACK BABY! 4. Light and Shadow - The album has a flow, filled with highs and lows, that make it very easy to listen to it over and over again. 5. Tight and loose - The songs benefit from faster pacing and looser "feels", even though the technical proficiency is still there. For me, this is the best album since MP for these reasons. In a perfect world, the production and the sound would be cleaner, and the vocals less processed, but this is an improvement over the last two albums anyway. I couldn't have said it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gedneil Alpeart Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 QUOTE (LedRush @ Jul 27 2012, 01:40 PM) There's a few things for me: 1. Catchy songs - Rush was never about hits, but the last two albums lacked many songs that were memorable once the CD was out of the player. 2. Few plodding songs that go nowhere - this destroyed S&A. Almost every song other than the instrumentals and Far Cry were trudging songs that had neither pace or any place to go. 3. Guitar solos - They're BACK BABY! 4. Light and Shadow - The album has a flow, filled with highs and lows, that make it very easy to listen to it over and over again. 5. Tight and loose - The songs benefit from faster pacing and looser "feels", even though the technical proficiency is still there. For me, this is the best album since MP for these reasons. In a perfect world, the production and the sound would be cleaner, and the vocals less processed, but this is an improvement over the last two albums anyway. Great points. To me, best album since Signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombstone Mountain Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 27 2012, 05:51 PM) QUOTE (LedRush @ Jul 27 2012, 01:40 PM) There's a few things for me: 1. Catchy songs - Rush was never about hits, but the last two albums lacked many songs that were memorable once the CD was out of the player. 2. Few plodding songs that go nowhere - this destroyed S&A. Almost every song other than the instrumentals and Far Cry were trudging songs that had neither pace or any place to go. 3. Guitar solos - They're BACK BABY! 4. Light and Shadow - The album has a flow, filled with highs and lows, that make it very easy to listen to it over and over again. 5. Tight and loose - The songs benefit from faster pacing and looser "feels", even though the technical proficiency is still there. For me, this is the best album since MP for these reasons. In a perfect world, the production and the sound would be cleaner, and the vocals less processed, but this is an improvement over the last two albums anyway. Great points. To me, best album since Signals. PeWaves...It's that epic!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Trees Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 1. The lyrics are thoughtful and intelligent. 2. The music fits the story well. It rocks when it needs to rock, and is appropriately melodious at times. In short it keeps your interest from start to finish. 3. Nothing wrong with some good nerd rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 09:10 AM)QUOTE (greyfriar @ Jul 27 2012, 04:10 AM) Easy to answer: - Touching songs (Halo Effect, The Garden) - Epic rock songs (Clockwork Angels, Headlong Flight) - Guitar Soli are back (The Anarchist, HF, The Garden, CA...) - Concept album with great story - Experiments with sounds - guitars, vocals (Carnies, BU2B2) - Fantastic string arrangements - Hooks, Refrains, Melodies (The Wreckers, Wish Them Well, 7 Cities...) - Groovy, trippy jam sections - Straight ahead rockers (Caravan, BU2B+new Intro) - Great artwork - The Wassermans ^..^^..^ - .............................(it's your turn to complete the list) Outstanding points my friend...one piece you didn't mention: Booujzhe Good call TM. Booujzhe And nice move drawing out the response greyfriar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 QUOTE (The Trees @ Jul 28 2012, 01:13 AM)1. The lyrics are thoughtful and intelligent. 2. The music fits the story well. It rocks when it needs to rock, and is appropriately melodious at times. In short it keeps your interest from start to finish. 3. Nothing wrong with some good nerd rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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