Gemari77 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Hey folks, I'm just asking, to either confirm or deny that I'm hearing things... I love the song Emotion Detector. I've listened to it for years and years and years.... over and over. Just now, I was listening to it and for the first time, I heard a harmony part sung that I never heard before in the 1000's of times I've listened to this song. During the part where Geddy sings "Sometimes our big splashes...", I think I'm hearing a higher harmony part being sung---mixed very, very low. Almost inaudible. Is anyone else hearing this, or is my mind playing tricks on me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourthmemberofRush Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 QUOTE (Gemari77 @ Apr 19 2011, 02:15 PM) Hey folks, I'm just asking, to either confirm or deny that I'm hearing things... I love the song Emotion Detector. I've listened to it for years and years and years.... over and over. Just now, I was listening to it and for the first time, I heard a harmony part sung that I never heard before in the 1000's of times I've listened to this song. During the part where Geddy sings "Sometimes our big splashes...", I think I'm hearing a higher harmony part being sung---mixed very, very low. Almost inaudible. Is anyone else hearing this, or is my mind playing tricks on me? I will go listen now. I love when I hear new things from Rush, after I have been listening to them since 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Invisible To Telescopic Eye Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (FourthmemberofRush @ Apr 19 2011, 05:55 PM) QUOTE (Gemari77 @ Apr 19 2011, 02:15 PM) Hey folks, I'm just asking, to either confirm or deny that I'm hearing things... I love the song Emotion Detector. I've listened to it for years and years and years.... over and over. Just now, I was listening to it and for the first time, I heard a harmony part sung that I never heard before in the 1000's of times I've listened to this song. During the part where Geddy sings "Sometimes our big splashes...", I think I'm hearing a higher harmony part being sung---mixed very, very low. Almost inaudible. Is anyone else hearing this, or is my mind playing tricks on me? I will go listen now. I love when I hear new things from Rush, after I have been listening to them since 1976. Best part about being a rush fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchance to Dream Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yeah really, the only way to get harmony is to over dub. Unless you SING it the first time (ala TWTWB on S&A:L) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUP1771 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 It's very hard to tell. Not sure what to make of it. With that being said, I love when discovering things like this. After tinkering around on my computer and found a song enhancer, I discovered a higher part right after the chorus ("I'll be around, if you don't push me down too far...") of Cold Fire. It reinvigorated the entire song for me, and now I know why Geddy sang like that during the chorus on the Counterparts tour. I find it better than the lower part. I digress, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Some singers can cause multiple partials to emerge at once. This is usually due to vocal damage but others can train themselves to do it intentionally. Look at 2112 and the Armageddon section of Hemispheres. Throw it into a spectrogram (this works with the early live performances of 2112 as well) and you'll see multiple partials emerge as Ged sings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchance to Dream Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 07:29 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Some singers can cause multiple partials to emerge at once. This is usually due to vocal damage but others can train themselves to do it intentionally. Look at 2112 and the Armageddon section of Hemispheres. Throw it into a spectrogram (this works with the early live performances of 2112 as well) and you'll see multiple partials emerge as Ged sings. Multiple partials on Emotion Detector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:50 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 07:29 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Some singers can cause multiple partials to emerge at once. This is usually due to vocal damage but others can train themselves to do it intentionally. Look at 2112 and the Armageddon section of Hemispheres. Throw it into a spectrogram (this works with the early live performances of 2112 as well) and you'll see multiple partials emerge as Ged sings. Multiple partials on Emotion Detector? This is a screenshot of the spectrogram of "Sometimes our big splashes are just ripples in the pool." I'm fairly sure the top is the left speaker and the bottom is the right. Ged's vocals are much clearer on the top one. Looks like there may be some harmony on the world splashes, but I'm not sure about the rest. There are some lines that kinda parallel the partials we hear Geddy singing, but I'm not sure if it's him or on an instrument. http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/895/spect.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFireYYZ Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (GUP1771 @ Apr 19 2011, 10:28 PM) After tinkering around on my computer and found a song enhancer, I discovered a higher part right after the chorus ("I'll be around, if you don't push me down too far...") of Cold Fire. It reinvigorated the entire song for me, and now I know why Geddy sang like that during the chorus on the Counterparts tour. I find it better than the lower part. I digress, though. Funny...I noticed that right away. It really adds to the song imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchance to Dream Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 08:02 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:50 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 07:29 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Some singers can cause multiple partials to emerge at once. This is usually due to vocal damage but others can train themselves to do it intentionally. Look at 2112 and the Armageddon section of Hemispheres. Throw it into a spectrogram (this works with the early live performances of 2112 as well) and you'll see multiple partials emerge as Ged sings. Multiple partials on Emotion Detector? This is a screenshot of the spectrogram of "Sometimes our big splashes are just ripples in the pool." I'm fairly sure the top is the left speaker and the bottom is the right. Ged's vocals are much clearer on the top one. Looks like there may be some harmony on the world splashes, but I'm not sure about the rest. There are some lines that kinda parallel the partials we hear Geddy singing, but I'm not sure if it's him or on an instrument. http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/895/spect.png Gotcha. I've got this sinking feeling that I've stepped into one of SnowCat's traps. What's the alias policy on this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USB Connector Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 11:21 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 08:02 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:50 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 07:29 PM) QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 05:06 PM)I listened to it and ran it through foobar. It's hard to tell but it just looks like he's simply harmonizing with himself. That doesn't mean overdub, it just means he's harmonizing with himself. He's done it with a lot of pieces, especially with earlier ones so I wouldn't be surprised. Some singers can cause multiple partials to emerge at once. This is usually due to vocal damage but others can train themselves to do it intentionally. Look at 2112 and the Armageddon section of Hemispheres. Throw it into a spectrogram (this works with the early live performances of 2112 as well) and you'll see multiple partials emerge as Ged sings. Multiple partials on Emotion Detector? This is a screenshot of the spectrogram of "Sometimes our big splashes are just ripples in the pool." I'm fairly sure the top is the left speaker and the bottom is the right. Ged's vocals are much clearer on the top one. Looks like there may be some harmony on the world splashes, but I'm not sure about the rest. There are some lines that kinda parallel the partials we hear Geddy singing, but I'm not sure if it's him or on an instrument. http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/895/spect.png Gotcha. I've got this sinking feeling that I've stepped into one of SnowCat's traps. What's the alias policy on this board? I'm unsure, but I can assure you that I have no alias on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioc Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Apr 19 2011, 10:21 PM) I've got this sinking feeling that I've stepped into one of SnowCat's traps. 'Snowcat's Traps' - Sounds like a Rush song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioc Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 As far as the song goes, there are many type of harmonizers that don't require doubling tracks. Sometimes they're used to function as background singers, sometimes for effect. I know a popular method is to apply an octave shift to the reverb only, up on the left, down on the right. Lots of cool things to do with harmonizers. Geddy seems to be a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchance to Dream Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (usb_connector @ Apr 19 2011, 08:27 PM) Gotcha. I've got this sinking feeling that I've stepped into one of SnowCat's traps. What's the alias policy on this board? I'm unsure, but I can assure you that I have no alias on this board. I hear where you're coming from, usb; but I'm not hearing overtone on that particular track. Oh, and I apologize if you took offense to the alias jab. I thought I was being fished when I replied to your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchance to Dream Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Well I almost got the quote thing right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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