Gibson Guitars Under investigation

[_pete_]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Nov 22 2009, 01:28 PM)

Pete, I was going to post the same Glassdoor link. Someone had posted it on another guitar board last month. Those anonymous employee reviews plus the STUPID guitars Gibson has been churning out the past couple of years tells me the company has totally lost its focus, and it comes from their CEO. Just look at these monstrosities. Why waste all that money on designing and producing guitars that no one will buy (except maybe collectors)? They're hideous. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/Zakk-Wylde-Buzz-Saw2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/122245.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/44caa865-b5c8-4c89-9517-0eda0bc4a86.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/eye-gtr-1-1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/holy-x_main.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/1eff6c11c48ec9677261fb4c8b6387a3.jpg One of those Glassdoor reviews said it pretty well: "Henry likes to pretend that he runs a tech company. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to realize that he holds the greatest guitar brand in the history of the world in the palm of his hand. Instead of making guitars that his customers want - the Les Pauls, SGs, Flying Vs, etc; guitars with historic value and instant charisma, he'd rather try to reinvent the wheel by producing guitars that tune themselves (that is, for about five minutes... then they break and the customer is forced to begin the convoluted customer return process)."

Every one of those makes me want to hurl.

Innovation is great but how about an innovation that the public may actually like?

 

 

Things will be different when I'm in charge!

 

Les Pauls for the masses!!!! An SG in every home!!! More Lifeson Signature guitars!!!!

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[Soni]

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[Soni]

[HeikoShriek]

QUOTE (ChroniclesOfRush @ Nov 19 2009, 07:48 PM)

Gibson guitars completely suck anyway. I hope they get shut down.* *unless they would like to send me an early 80's Howard Roberts Fusion which I hear tale was made with elephant tusks and polished with baby seal tears by a 6 year old asian girl. All that said I think I'll get over it. Make it two.

Alex played nothing but Gibson on the SnA tour.

 

The company may be whacked, but they have some great guitars - like Alex's ES355!

[Soni]

http://images.gibson.com/Files/8e5bad70-b669-4e43-a387-6bc7af02cb34.jpg

Are you kidding me?

[1-0-0-1-0-0-1]

QUOTE (Soni @ Dec 11 2009, 03:37 AM)

http://images.gibson.com/Files/8e5bad70-b669-4e43-a387-6bc7af02cb34.jpg Are you kidding me?

That's almost a ripoff of Eddie's shark guitar, isn't it?

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/evh_950.jpg

[Soni]

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Dec 11 2009, 11:18 AM)

QUOTE (Soni @ Dec 11 2009, 03:37 AM) http://images.gibson.com/Files/8e5bad70-b669-4e43-a387-6bc7af02cb34.jpg Are you kidding me? That's almost a ripoff of Eddie's shark guitar, isn't it?   http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Guitars/evh_950.jpg Yeah it is!   And they called it the "Shark Fin"

[southernjim]

QUOTE (Soni @ Dec 11 2009, 02:37 AM)

http://images.gibson.com/Files/8e5bad70-b669-4e43-a387-6bc7af02cb34.jpg Are you kidding me?

Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh?

(Hint, this one is only half EVH)

just look at their "ZV"

 

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product...itar?sku=580838

 

Looks like an overpriced splittail ripoff to me, but of course they're claiming originality.

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 11 2009, 06:51 PM)

Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh?

Well, the V, the Explorer and Moderne were developed in 1958. Only the V's and Explorers were built then. Well before Dean ripped them off.

[southernjim]

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:52 PM)

QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 11 2009, 06:51 PM) Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh? Well, the V, the Explorer and Moderne were developed in 1958. Only the V's and Explorers were built then. Well before Dean ripped them off. Did Dean ever claim originality for the designs?

[southernjim]

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

Silvertones were made out of bakelite.

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 12 2009, 02:36 PM)

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:52 PM) QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 11 2009, 06:51 PM) Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh? Well, the V, the Explorer and Moderne were developed in 1958. Only the V's and Explorers were built then. Well before Dean ripped them off. Did Dean ever claim originality for the designs? Any variation of a V or Explorer (or Les Paul and SG) comes from a Gibson design. Dean combined Explorers with V's and Les Paul shapes as early as the 70's, just after Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley used V's and Explorers on 1976 tours.   Paul Reed Smiths are based on Gibson and Fender designs. Ibanez was sued by Gibson in the late 70's for blatantly issuing Les Pauls, SGs, Explorers and V's (headstocks and all, only the company logos were different) and their models were modified slightly so they did not match exactly the guitars they were based upon. This is nothing new. Most electric guitar designs these days are based off of Gibson or Fender designs. Gibson and Fender were the first companies to mass produce solid body electrics and their designs have stood the test of time. The telecaster shape was first used in 1947 under the name of Broadcaster and has been used and copied ever since. There are only a handful of guitar manufacturers who have created truly original designs (in terms of body shape), but Dean isn't one of them. They were inventive and the first to combine shapes from 2 other guitars, but that is hardly original.

[southernjim]

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 06:02 PM)

QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 12 2009, 02:36 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:52 PM) QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 11 2009, 06:51 PM) Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh? Well, the V, the Explorer and Moderne were developed in 1958. Only the V's and Explorers were built then. Well before Dean ripped them off. Did Dean ever claim originality for the designs? Any variation of a V or Explorer (or Les Paul and SG) comes from a Gibson design. Dean combined Explorers with V's and Les Paul shapes as early as the 70's, just after Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley used V's and Explorers on 1976 tours.   Paul Reed Smiths are based on Gibson and Fender designs. Ibanez was sued by Gibson in the late 70's for blatantly issuing Les Pauls, SGs, Explorers and V's (headstocks and all, only the company logos were different) and their models were modified slightly so they did not match exactly the guitars they were based upon. This is nothing new. Most electric guitar designs these days are based off of Gibson or Fender designs. Gibson and Fender were the first companies to mass produce solid body electrics and their designs have stood the test of time. The telecaster shape was first used in 1947 under the name of Broadcaster and has been used and copied ever since. There are only a handful of guitar manufacturers who have created truly original designs (in terms of body shape), but Dean isn't one of them. They were inventive and the first to combine shapes from 2 other guitars, but that is hardly original. technically speaking, the telecaster shape was first sold as the esquire. as to the Danelectro question, Yes, Silvertones were made of bakelite, but I said Danelectro. Many similiarities, but not quite the same.

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[southernjim]

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 12 2009, 04:36 PM)

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 06:02 PM) QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 12 2009, 02:36 PM) QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 12 2009, 03:52 PM) QUOTE (southernjim @ Dec 11 2009, 06:51 PM) Wow. They just keep ripping off Dean, huh? Well, the V, the Explorer and Moderne were developed in 1958. Only the V's and Explorers were built then. Well before Dean ripped them off. Did Dean ever claim originality for the designs? Any variation of a V or Explorer (or Les Paul and SG) comes from a Gibson design. Dean combined Explorers with V's and Les Paul shapes as early as the 70's, just after Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley used V's and Explorers on 1976 tours.   Paul Reed Smiths are based on Gibson and Fender designs. Ibanez was sued by Gibson in the late 70's for blatantly issuing Les Pauls, SGs, Explorers and V's (headstocks and all, only the company logos were different) and their models were modified slightly so they did not match exactly the guitars they were based upon. This is nothing new. Most electric guitar designs these days are based off of Gibson or Fender designs. Gibson and Fender were the first companies to mass produce solid body electrics and their designs have stood the test of time. The telecaster shape was first used in 1947 under the name of Broadcaster and has been used and copied ever since. There are only a handful of guitar manufacturers who have created truly original designs (in terms of body shape), but Dean isn't one of them. They were inventive and the first to combine shapes from 2 other guitars, but that is hardly original. technically speaking, the telecaster shape was first sold as the esquire. as to the Danelectro question, Yes, Silvertones were made of bakelite, but I said Danelectro. Many similiarities, but not quite the same. Don't go by Wikipedia. The Broadcaster was in the 40's and the Esquire was in the 50's. The original Broadcaster had a 3 & 3 headstock and the Esquire had the traditional Tele headstock. The Broadcaster had 2 pickups and the Esquire had only 1. The Broadcaster was the prototype model that Leo first made after seeing the Merle Travis guitar made by Bigsby.

Edited December 14, 2009 by CygnusX-1Bk2

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

http://www.history-of-rock.com/guitarstwo.htm

 

Here is the first Broadcaster from 1948. It is the prototype Leo Fender first made. Only 1 pickup.

http://online.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys498pom/guitars/guitar_pix/48Broadcaster_Proto.jpg

Edited December 14, 2009 by CygnusX-1Bk2

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

Here's one from the first run of mass production:

http://www.premierguitar.com/issue/guitarofthemonth/images/200710_guitarofthemonth1.jpg

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issu...aster_0099.aspx

 

Esquires were also made at this time and were essentially identical but only 1 pickup.

Here is Jeff Beck's:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_smVT_JtNphQ/R-XqxsoMc9I/AAAAAAAAAiY/VJ3D6JPSCmU/JeffBeck%27sFenderEsquire.jpg

Edited December 14, 2009 by CygnusX-1Bk2

[southernjim]

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:36 PM)

http://www.history-of-rock.com/guitarstwo.htm Here is the first Broadcaster from 1948. It is the prototype Leo Fender first made. Only 1 pickup. http://online.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys498pom/guitars/guitar_pix/48Broadcaster_Proto.jpg

Neat.! I love learning about guitars, and it seems you really know your stuff.

(I haven't learned any of this from wikipedia, i try to stick to books)

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

Good! I recommend The Guitar Handbook by Ralph Denyer and the Ultimate Guitar Book by Tony Bacon. Bacon also wrote The Fender Book, but I don't have that one.

 

The Ultimate Guitar Book is great because it is an overall history of the instrument and has examples from the 1500s. Excellent book indeed. The Handbook is great because it has theory as well as maintenance and repair info.

 

The Gruhn Guitar guide is good for collector minded people.

 

Though I consider myself to be a drummer I love guitars way more. I love drums, but not nearly in the same way. I could talk about guitars all day and have studied the history and manufacturers as much as I could find. I have a decent collection of catalogs going back to the 80's mostly. Also having gone to the past several NAMM shows I have been lucky enough to see new developments before they are released to the public.

Edited December 15, 2009 by CygnusX-1Bk2

[southernjim]

QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Dec 14 2009, 09:06 PM)

Good! I recommend The Guitar Handbook by Ralph Denyer and the Ultimate Guitar Book by Tony Bacon. Bacon also wrote The Fender Book, but I don't have that one. The Ultimate Guitar Book is great because it is an overall history of the instrument and has examples from the 1500s. Excellent book indeed. The Handbook is great because it has theory as well as maintenance and repair info. The Gruhn Guitar guide is good for collector minded people. Though I consider myself to be a drummer I love guitars way more. I love drums, but not nearly in the same way. I could talk about guitars all day and have studied the history and manufacturers as much as I could find. I have a decent collection of catalogs going back to the 80's mostly. Also having gone to the past several NAMM shows I have been lucky enough to see new developments before they are released to the public.

Awesome! I'll have to check out the libraries around town

[CygnusX-1Bk2]

Now that Les Paul is dead they are f***ing with his guitar:

The Dusk Tiger (what a stupid f***ing name) is the latest in the robot series.

http://www.rushtour.com/uploads/1256098982/gallery_11_2_30541.jpg

 

http://www.rushtour.com/uploads/1256098982/gallery_11_2_4593.jpg

 

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-G...Dusk-Tiger.aspx