Alternate Tebow Covers From Sports Illustrated

[liquidcrystalcompass]

All-Time Great QBs From the Recent Era PASSING RUSHING GREATNESS

Player W-L Pct. Yards TDs INTs Yards TDs Score

Vince Young 30-2 61.8 6,040 44 28 3,127 37 898.2

Matt Leinart 37-2 64.8 10,693 99 23 -70 9 843.9

Tim Tebow 22-5 65.8 6,159 67 11 2,037 43 831.0

Eric Crouch 35-7 51.5 4,484 29 25 3,434 59 828.55

Danny Wuerffel 35-5-1 60.6 10,875 114 42 -375 8 781.58

Ty Detmer 29-9-2 62.6 15,031 121 65 -366 14 772.30

Tommie Frazier 33-3 49.1 4,003 47 18 2,263 36 736.56

Ken Dorsey 38-2 57.9 9,565 86 28 -79 2 695.97

Chris Weinke 31-3 58.4 10,113 79 35 -374 1 617.74

Troy Smith 25-3 62.7 5,720 54 13 1,197 14 611.79

Jason White 28-4 63.3 7,922 81 24 -45 2 580.72

Charlie Ward 23-2 63.1 5,747 49 22 889 10 546.37

Doug Flutie 30-11-1 53.3 10,579 67 54 739 7 537.40

Robbie Bosco 24-3 59.0 8,400 66 36 -101 4 534.13

Gino Torretta 26-2 56.0 7,690 47 19 32 2 485.46

Carson Palmer 27-18 59.1 11,818 72 49 -197 9 453.67

Josh Heupel 20-5 63.2 6,852 50 29 46 12 444.78

Andre Ware 14-6 61.5 8,202 75 28 -144 1 403.92

Vinny Testaverde 21-3 61.3 6,058 48 25 -320 8 403.92

 

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...l#ixzz0PsHTBo8R

 

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 11:50 AM)

All-Time Great QBs From the Recent Era PASSING RUSHING GREATNESS Player W-L Pct. Yards TDs INTs Yards TDs Score Vince Young 30-2 61.8 6,040 44 28 3,127 37 898.2 Matt Leinart 37-2 64.8 10,693 99 23 -70 9 843.9 Tim Tebow 22-5 65.8 6,159 67 11 2,037 43 831.0 Eric Crouch 35-7 51.5 4,484 29 25 3,434 59 828.55 Danny Wuerffel 35-5-1 60.6 10,875 114 42 -375 8 781.58 Ty Detmer 29-9-2 62.6 15,031 121 65 -366 14 772.30 Tommie Frazier 33-3 49.1 4,003 47 18 2,263 36 736.56 Ken Dorsey 38-2 57.9 9,565 86 28 -79 2 695.97 Chris Weinke 31-3 58.4 10,113 79 35 -374 1 617.74 Troy Smith 25-3 62.7 5,720 54 13 1,197 14 611.79 Jason White 28-4 63.3 7,922 81 24 -45 2 580.72 Charlie Ward 23-2 63.1 5,747 49 22 889 10 546.37 Doug Flutie 30-11-1 53.3 10,579 67 54 739 7 537.40 Robbie Bosco 24-3 59.0 8,400 66 36 -101 4 534.13 Gino Torretta 26-2 56.0 7,690 47 19 32 2 485.46 Carson Palmer 27-18 59.1 11,818 72 49 -197 9 453.67 Josh Heupel 20-5 63.2 6,852 50 29 46 12 444.78 Andre Ware 14-6 61.5 8,202 75 28 -144 1 403.92 Vinny Testaverde 21-3 61.3 6,058 48 25 -320 8 403.92 Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...l#ixzz0PsHTBo8R

^^^^^^^^^Looks like shit. Sorry y'all.

[Rush Cocky]

I noticed that I recognized every single name on that list.

 

Which means that there are a LOT guys older than me who either just dismissed that list as idiotic, or....if they cared.....are completely ticked off that its author refuses to acknowledge that "all-time" does indeed go back before 1983.

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 12:11 PM)

I noticed that I recognized every single name on that list. Which means that there are a LOT guys older than me who either just dismissed that list as idiotic, or....if they cared.....are completely ticked off that its author refuses to acknowledge that "all-time" does indeed go back before 1983.

Did you even read the article? The list is only of QBs of the last 25 years. He wasn't addressing all players of all time.

 

I think his point of going back 25 years is to represent an era.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:15 PM)

Did you even read the article?

I read what you posted, which had QBs from no less than 25 years ago, and the words "all-time" in the header.

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 12:19 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:15 PM) Did you even read the article? I read what you posted, which had QBs from no less than 25 years ago, and the words "all-time" in the header. I probably should have kept it with the article. Oh well, read the article liver lips

[lerxt1990]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 11:13 AM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 11:04 AM) Is Florida the only team in the SEC that is loaded? Yes, they are. To that extent.   Nevertheless, Florida will NOT win the National Championship this year. I guarantee it. I dont buy the fact that the rest of the team is making him look *that* good. Guys a stud if you ask me.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:26 PM)

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 12:19 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:15 PM) Did you even read the article? I read what you posted, which had QBs from no less than 25 years ago, and the words "all-time" in the header. I probably should have kept it with the article. Oh well, read the article liver lips   Just another day of friendly sports banter....and TWO more days until the Gamecocks at NC State!!!!

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 01:42 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:26 PM) QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 12:19 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:15 PM) Did you even read the article? I read what you posted, which had QBs from no less than 25 years ago, and the words "all-time" in the header. I probably should have kept it with the article. Oh well, read the article liver lips   Just another day of friendly sports banter....and TWO more days until the Gamecocks at NC State!!!! I love it when college football starts.

[lerxt1990]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:26 PM) QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 12:19 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 01:15 PM) Did you even read the article? I read what you posted, which had QBs from no less than 25 years ago, and the words "all-time" in the header. I probably should have kept it with the article. Oh well, read the article liver lips   Just another day of friendly sports banter....and TWO more days until the Gamecocks at NC State!!!! hehehehehehehehehehe heheheheheh heheheheheheheheheheh   he said cocks.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 02:44 PM)

I love it when college football starts.

Indeed.....the time has arrived to see if all the players can live up to the hype that they've been given.

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 02:01 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 02:44 PM) I love it when college football starts. Indeed.....the time has arrived to see if all the players can live up to the hype that they've been given. Some already have even if they never play another down

[Xanadu93]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 1 2009, 10:21 AM)

I'm sick of it, personally, but I'm eagerly awaiting the fallout when Florida loses 2 games this year.

I know we go to war next Saturday, but please beat Florida when y'all play them.

[Ancient Ways]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM)

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

[GhostGirl]

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Yep...   I'm sick of hearing about him.

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 8 2009, 09:52 AM)

QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Yep...   I'm sick of hearing about him. What's wrong with him?

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 8 2009, 12:30 PM)

What's wrong with him?

We're sick of hearing about him! How much clearer must we get?

[GhostGirl]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 8 2009, 11:30 AM)

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 8 2009, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Yep...   I'm sick of hearing about him. What's wrong with him? Don't know if anything's wrong with him - I didn't say there was anything. I said I'm sick of hearing about him. See the difference?

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 9 2009, 09:49 AM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 8 2009, 11:30 AM) QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 8 2009, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Yep...   I'm sick of hearing about him. What's wrong with him? Don't know if anything's wrong with him - I didn't say there was anything. I said I'm sick of hearing about him. See the difference? Well then you'll need to get used to it. He's an outstanding player and will be remembered as long as college football is around. He's a champion and a true leader and the likes of him are very rare. He's getting press because of his performance.   I don't know if you are sick of him because he's in the SEC or if you don't like to see people get the accolades they deserve. Whatever the reason, you have a negative feel for him and I don't see where it is justified.   If he was a thug or a braggadocios prick, I could understand your attitude. But he's neither and that's why I don't get your negativity.   See the difference?

Edited September 9, 2009 by liquidcrystalcompass

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 9 2009, 11:57 AM)

Well then you'll need to get used to it. He's an outstanding player and will be remembered as long as college football is around. He's a champion and a true leader and the likes of him are very rare. He's getting press because of his performance. I don't know if you are sick of him because he's in the SEC or if you don't like to see people get the accolades they deserve. Whatever the reason, you have a negative feel for him and I don't see where it is justified. If he was a thug or a braggadocios prick, I could understand your attitude. But he's neither and that's why I don't get your negativity. See the difference?

Here's the part that sucks about the whole thing.

 

WHEN somebody beats Florida this year (I believe it will happen) the story will NOT be about the team that won the game. It WILL be about how Florida lost the game, how Tim Tebow feels about it, has Tebow lost his luster, did Urban Meyer set Tebow up by calling the wrong plays, should Tebow have gone to the NFL now that Florida's undefeated season is ruined, etc.

 

Now, do YOU see the difference? Those of us in the SEC are very proud of our team and our allegiance to that team. To call one player and one team out over all the others really grates against us. That this team is a rival to a number of teams in this region (Florida State Georgia and even Tennessee still to a certain extent) magnifies the irritation that we feel.

 

Given all that, I wonder this: given that you appear to be a Texas Longhorn fan, if Tim Tebow played for Oklahoma or Texas A&M and he was getting all this press coverage, might you feel differently?

[liquidcrystalcompass]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 9 2009, 12:04 PM)

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 9 2009, 11:57 AM) Well then you'll need to get used to it.  He's an outstanding player and will be remembered as long as college football is around.  He's a champion and a true leader and the likes of him are very rare.  He's getting press because of his performance.  I don't know if you are sick of him because he's in the SEC or if you don't like to see people get the accolades they deserve.  Whatever the reason, you have a negative feel for him and I don't see where it is justified. If he was a thug or a braggadocios prick, I could understand your attitude.  But he's neither and that's why I don't get your negativity. See the difference? Here's the part that sucks about the whole thing.   WHEN somebody beats Florida this year (I believe it will happen) the story will NOT be about the team that won the game. It WILL be about how Florida lost the game, how Tim Tebow feels about it, has Tebow lost his luster, did Urban Meyer set Tebow up by calling the wrong plays, should Tebow have gone to the NFL now that Florida's undefeated season is ruined, etc.   Now, do YOU see the difference? Those of us in the SEC are very proud of our team and our allegiance to that team. To call one player and one team out over all the others really grates against us. That this team is a rival to a number of teams in this region (Florida State Georgia and even Tennessee still to a certain extent) magnifies the irritation that we feel.   Given all that, I wonder this: given that you appear to be a Texas Longhorn fan, if Tim Tebow played for Oklahoma or Texas A&M and he was getting all this press coverage, might you feel differently? I would not feel differently if he played for OU. I actually root for the teams in my conference when they play bowl games or out of conference games because it benefits my team.   The SEC is not unique in regards to being proud and having allegiance. You can let that one go chief.   I like great players in any sport and what Tebow has done supercedes what anyone has done in your conference or in college football for the last several years. He's the best player on the best team. Or at least the best team over the last few years.   I stated before that I thought Florida would lose a game this year. I don't see anyone going undefeated in any major conference this year.   You should youtube the halftime speech he gave during the BCS Championship last year. The Gators are his team and every player on that team follows him. He is a natural leader.   I've never been a sour grapes type of person and this is what is going on with you two. Nothing but sour grapes.

[softfilter]

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Sep 9 2009, 12:04 PM)

WHEN somebody beats Florida this year (I believe it will happen) the story will NOT be about the team that won the game.  It WILL be about how Florida lost the game, how Tim Tebow feels about it, has Tebow lost his luster, did Urban Meyer set Tebow up by calling the wrong plays, should Tebow have gone to the NFL now that Florida's undefeated season is ruined, etc.

Yeah, I can see it going down like that..

But this happens in ALL sports when a player or team from certain cities that have always been the traditional favorite and focus of media attention end up losing, the team that beats them usually doesn't get the full credit they deserve.

Some brief examples concerning my Cleveland teams, The Browns played there only perfect game last year beating the Giants. (Browns didn't win, Giants beat themselves.)

2007 Indians beating the Yankees in the playoffs (Same thing,What did the Yankees do wrong to lose to Cleveland ?and don't want to hear about that gnat B.S., Tribe pitcher Fausto Carmona had to pitch in the middle of that insect swarm also! )

And to some degree Cavs losing to Magic last year in Eastern conference finals. LeBron have to admit was the sole focus of the media and Cleveland was suppose to face the Lakers in finals. No one wanted or expected Orlando to win. The Magic like Rodney Dangerfield get no respect..

Edited September 9, 2009 by softfilter

[GhostGirl]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 9 2009, 10:57 AM)

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 9 2009, 09:49 AM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 8 2009, 11:30 AM) QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 8 2009, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Sep 7 2009, 10:11 PM) QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 1 2009, 09:58 AM) QUOTE (Ancient Ways @ Aug 31 2009, 08:25 PM) I live down here and I really don't get the Tebow deal.  He is perfect for the system he is in and is a great leader.  Some of the rest of it is over the top imo. Rushing for more than 20 TD's and passing for more than 20 TD's in the same season doesn't impress you? And in the very tough SEC?   He threw 30 TDs and had only 4 picks last year. No mention was made about being impressed or unimpressed. Did you look at the "covers?" This is barely tongue in cheek. There is a ton of people out there who not only think he is the best ever but should also be raised to some level of sainthood. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Yep...   I'm sick of hearing about him. What's wrong with him? Don't know if anything's wrong with him - I didn't say there was anything. I said I'm sick of hearing about him. See the difference? Well then you'll need to get used to it. He's an outstanding player and will be remembered as long as college football is around. He's a champion and a true leader and the likes of him are very rare. He's getting press because of his performance.   I don't know if you are sick of him because he's in the SEC or if you don't like to see people get the accolades they deserve. Whatever the reason, you have a negative feel for him and I don't see where it is justified.   If he was a thug or a braggadocios prick, I could understand your attitude. But he's neither and that's why I don't get your negativity.   See the difference? Well, LCC, once again, I guess you told ME. I'm not the only one who said I was sick of hearing about him.   Nope, nothing braggadocious about this guy...he's obviously as humble as can be.   http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00002f.jpghttp://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00003f.jpg http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00004f.jpghttp://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00005f.jpg   Just a selection of shots from his profile in GQ.     Oh, and those sour grapes? Uh uh. I love Auburn, but they're nowhere near the team Florida is, and I'm smart enough to know that. You're making assumptions that are incorrect.   Edited to remove a stupid comment on my part.

Edited September 9, 2009 by GhostGirl

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (liquidcrystalcompass @ Sep 9 2009, 01:37 PM)

I would not feel differently if he played for OU. I actually root for the teams in my conference when they play bowl games or out of conference games because it benefits my team. The SEC is not unique in regards to being proud and having allegiance. You can let that one go chief. I like great players in any sport and what Tebow has done supercedes what anyone has done in your conference or in college football for the last several years. He's the best player on the best team. Or at least the best team over the last few years. I stated before that I thought Florida would lose a game this year. I don't see anyone going undefeated in any major conference this year. You should youtube the halftime speech he gave during the BCS Championship last year. The Gators are his team and every player on that team follows him. He is a natural leader. I've never been a sour grapes type of person and this is what is going on with you two. Nothing but sour grapes.

Paragraph 1: I think we'll have to agree to disagree. If OU led by Tebow beat Texas by 50, I know for a fact that you would feel some disdain every time the man's name was mentioned. There is not a single player on any team on Florida's SEC schedule this year that doesn't want Florida so bad that they can taste it.

 

Paragraph 2: I never said we were unique, so quit putting words in my mouth...chief. Name for me one player that has gotten as much hype as Tim Tebow. I'll save you time, there isn't one. Is he a really good college QB? No doubt. But I don't need to be reminded every time I turn the TV on looking for info and analysis for MY team, which is NOT Florida.

 

Paragraphs 3 & 4 are your opinion , so no comments there.

 

The natural leader thing may be true....but see comments above, it's overkill.

 

And then the sour grapes comment....what an interesting thing to accuse someone of. But I have been consistent in my position of enough about Tebow (as in I'm tired of hearing about him, and his position as the greatest ever is highly debateable), so that one doesn't stick to me no matter how many times you throw it.

[Rush Cocky]

QUOTE (GhostGirl @ Sep 9 2009, 03:45 PM)

Well, LCC, once again, I guess you told ME.  I'm not the only one who said I was sick of hearing about him. Nope, nothing braggadocious about this guy...he's obviously as humble as can be. http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00002f.jpghttp://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00003f.jpg http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00004f.jpghttp://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/090109/tim-tebow/00005f.jpg Just a selection of shots from his profile in GQ. Oh, and those sour grapes?  Uh uh.  I love Auburn, but they're nowhere near the team Florida is, and I'm smart enough to know that.  You're making assumptions that are incorrect.

Well there goes the humble thing out the window.