neilpeart_gal Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 NHL labor talks break down again By IRA PODELL, AP Sports Writer January 28, 2005 NEW YORK (AP) -- Four meetings, three cities, and no deals. That sums up the past week in the NHL lockout. Talks between the NHL and the players' association broke down again Thursday night, leaving the sides still far apart and with no plans to meet again. ``We continue to have significant philosophical differences,'' NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said Thursday night. ``No meetings are scheduled and we will not make further comment at this time.'' With the season on the brink of being canceled, negotiations resumed late Thursday afternoon in New York. For the second straight day, both sides were tightlipped about what was discussed or accomplished. ``We're going to continue to keep quiet on the status and substance of negotiations,'' NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly told The Associated Press in an e-mail following the meeting. Seven representatives from the league and the union met for five hours at an undisclosed location following a 5 1/2 -hour get-together a day earlier in Toronto. The small group format began last week when the sides sat down on consecutive days in Chicago and Toronto. There was talk earlier in the day that the sides had left open the possibility of getting together again on Friday, but Daly told the AP that would not happen. Taking commissioner Gary Bettman and union chief Bob Goodenow out of the negotiating mix for this period has apparently done nothing to soften either side. The lockout reached its 134th day Thursday and has forced the cancellation of 721 of the 1,230 regular-season games plus the All-Star game. If an agreement isn't reached soon, the NHL will likely become the first North American sports league to lose an entire season to a labor dispute. For the second time this week, rumors swirled that the NHL was prepared to make another proposal to the players' association. Daly declined comment Thursday afternoon. No offers have been revealed since mid-December when the union invited the league back to negotiations with a proposal that featured a 24 percent rollback of all existing contracts and a luxury-tax system. The league countered five days later with a salary-cap structure, a concept the NHL is insisting on and one the players' association says it will never accept. The NHL wants a direct link between player salaries and league revenues. It was Vancouver center Trevor Linden who came up with the idea last week to talk with just six people in the room. Linden, the NHLPA president, invited Harley Hotchkiss -- the chairman of the board of governors to talks that started last Wednesday in Chicago and concluded the following day in Toronto. Hotchkiss missed the second meeting due to a funeral in Calgary. The structure was successful in producing discussion, but it did nothing to close the gap in the philosophical differences. New Jersey Devils president and general manager Lou Lamoriello joined Daly, Hotchkiss -- a part-owner of the Calgary Flames -- and outside counsel Bob Batterman on the NHL side in Toronto on Wednesday. ``I really don't have any comments,'' Lamoriello said in a phone interview from New Jersey on Thursday. ``When this process is on, I think the comments should come only from the people who are spokespeople.'' The players' association has kept its team of Linden, Saskin and outside counsel John McCambridge the same for all four small-group sessions. So closely guarded are the smallest details from the league's latest round of talks with the players' association, that exactly what they've been talking about is anyone's guess. The small-group format was created with the hope that the sides could find common ground that would lead to a new collective bargaining agreement. So far, it hasn't worked. I think its safe to say we can kiss the season goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Time to shift focus from saving this season to saving the sport. The NHL fan base isn't as large as the other major sports, and they might not come back if this holdout lasts much longer. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Islanders_header.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-13 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Jan 28 2005, 09:39 AM) Time to shift focus from saving this season to saving the sport. The NHL fan base isn't as large as the other major sports, and they might not come back if this holdout lasts much longer. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/1001001/Islanders_header.jpg here in Canada it is!!!! It's HUGE here! This sucks! bah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpeart_gal Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Honestly I think 1-0-0-1 is right. I dunno if the NHL will survive this strike. I mean, I'm a devoted hockey fan and I already won't be getting my season ticket next year...not cos of this but cos of $$ ....but imagine how many won't get their season tickets back because they are pissed off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 QUOTE (neilpeart_gal @ Jan 28 2005, 12:03 PM) Honestly I think 1-0-0-1 is right. I dunno if the NHL will survive this strike. I mean, I'm a devoted hockey fan and I already won't be getting my season ticket next year...not cos of this but cos of $$ ....but imagine how many won't get their season tickets back because they are pissed off? Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumnut Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Puck heads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit of radio Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Chill out Puckheads there wiil still be a shortened season with playoffs and the Leafs will inherit the Cup... RELAX ARGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowdog Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 these guys are behaving like spoiled children. Get on with it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyrob Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test4VitalSigns Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Whatever those morons do it doesn't matter. No one is bigger than the game of hockey itself. There is plenty of hockey elsewhere and in IMO probably better than the NHL has been producing in the last few years. I can only take so much of the trap, the bad officiating, the inconsistency of the rules, and the boring strategy of teams sitting on leads for the majority of the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto45 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 ZNo more Hockey this year and maybe next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilpeart_gal Posted February 1, 2005 Author Share Posted February 1, 2005 Yeah, there's no way they're playing this year. It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto45 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Yes it sure does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 I would love to see more hockey games. Too bad this is going on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto45 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Cant they just grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumnut Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-13 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I just hope it will go through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 The season is officially over. Heard it on ESPN Radio just now. They met today for six hours and couldn't get close enough to save this season. They will continue to work towards getting a deal hammered out for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-13 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefEllwood Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 You never know, they might keep negotiating through Sunday. You can't believe everything you hear or see via ESPN. I mean, after all, they use Barry Melrose as an analyst !! One thing is for sure ; the damage is done, ( with or without a "mini-season"). A huge chunk of the fan base in the U.S. won't return, which will eventually result in the termination of several U.S. based franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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neilpeart_gal Posted February 20, 2005 Author Share Posted February 20, 2005 Our NHLPA player rep (Scott Walker) said in an interview here last night that after being in on the NHLPA conference call (after yesterday's meeting), he feels that there won't be hockey for quite a long time. I've never heard him so discouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefEllwood Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I'm very disappointed. The backlash in the North American media has started already. It's all about greed, ( I mean both owners, and players). Hockey used to be played by talented players who grew up loving, and caring for the game. I hope Bettman, Goodenow, and a whole load of players realize the damage they've done, 'cause there's going to be a sh*t-load of people looking for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furie Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 It's like you're dating this really great girl and you THINK tonight's going to be the night and just when you think it's going to happen, she pushes you away and kicks you in the balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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