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You may as well move this topic to MOTS, because there are more posts about Phil and Genesis than there are about Neil/Rush. For the love of Christ, I would be bloody amazed if I read something about Genesis in this forum and the conversation DIDN'T turn into some statement on Phil/Genesis "selling out" or what-have-you. I love and respect EVERY single era of Genesis and Phil's careers even if I prefer some to others. Phil wasn't even the primary songwriter in Genesis (and neither was Peter for that matter in case someone wants to go there), so to expect Phil to go solo AND maintain the Genesis sound is ridiculous--he wrote the songs that HE enjoyed and HE was passionate about. If he wanted to write Genesis songs, he would make an album with Genesis. He created very memorable, very well crafted (no matter how popular a song is, it can still be a good one, believe it or not) songs in every stage of his career. I'm just sorry that everyone has to see Phil's career and Genesis' career as one single entity and judge one based on the other as well as hold people to outdated and unreasonable standards of music.

If anyone here happens to play Team Fortress 2 on PC, I'd be more than happy to join you guys in a game (as it's really the only game I play consistently)! My Steam name is dodo_lurker, so if you choose to add me, just let me know you're from TRF.

Working Man Anthem The Necromancer 2112 Cygnus X-1: Book 1 Cygnus X-1: Book 2 Natural Science Limelight Subdivisions The Enemy Within Middletown Dreams Prime Mover Available Light Where's My Thing? Animate Test for Echo Sweet Miracle Far Cry

QUOTE (MMCXII @ Feb 17 2012, 11:02 AM) Only band I can think of right now is Autograph... I'd have to listen again to see if I still like them but back when I was 16 these guy's debut album came out and they were my favorite band! waited and waited for album #2... never happened. But it did happen? They released three albums between 84 and 87. Their second album came out only one year after the first. After the third album, they disbanded until 1997.

QUOTE (Union 5-3992 @ Feb 19 2012, 09:01 PM) It's 50/50 for me. Either I listen to an entire album, or I put my entire song list on shuffle and enjoy that. It's usually good when I read. There really was no "all of the above" option, but I agree here. For the most part, I guess I just throw everything I own on shuffle and skip a few here and there if I'm really not feeling a song. Sometimes I will be in the mood for a specific artist and just bounce around some favorites from them. But sometimes I will just lay down, throw on some headphones and find a particular album that I'm interested in, or even throw one on the ol' record player.

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Feb 19 2012, 03:24 PM) But when I see Phil go from being a prog drummer and frontman to doing Motown covers (not that there's anything wrong with Motown, mind you) and sugar-coated ballads for movie soundtracks, along with the three songs HA&S mentioned, it makes me think he had more to do with Genesis' transformation than the other two guys. Just an opinion, which I am entitled to despite your objections. ...except that Phil will be the first to admit that it was primarily Mike and Tony that did the writing. Sure, Phil had a lot of input, but it wasn't as if the other guys brought him a 20-minute epic and Phil said "nope, sorry, definitely need the 4-minute ballad--overruled." Mike and Tony had solo projects and side-projects that demonstrated a turn to the shorter, more accessible material just as much as Phil's did--the difference being the amount of success they had. Hell, even Gabriel himself was doing the same thing with his solo material (lest we forget "In Your Eyes" from "...Say Anything"?), and now he's off doing the good ol' "play with the symphony" shtick (which I don't see how that's any better than doing Motown covers). For people to still be on about "Phil changing Genesis" is completely asinine, they were going to reach that point no matter who was singing or doing the songwriting--it was the times changing, not the people.

I'm hard pressed to find a Collins-era song that I DON'T like to some extent (maybe some songs I like significantly less, but none that I really *hate*). As for the Gabriel-era, there are plenty of great ones, but a lot of them put me to sleep as well. I may not be able to list all of my favorite songs, but I will say that Abacab is my favorite album, if that tells you anything.

Feeling in the minority here, but I was pretty let down by the TM Tour setlist (and it was my first and second show ever). I went with original VT setlist.

QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Feb 12 2012, 10:13 PM) Well, i'm knowledgable about the music. Not what what their trademark sound is named or how it's played. I have no need to know every little thing about the band and it's members. And so you came (and replied) willingly to a thread that is meant to discuss the bands trademark sounds and those "little things"?

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Off the top of my head: Tears for Fears (only 3 true albums--excluding the reunion album--in 7 years). I suppose 7 years seems like a long time, it just feels like they could have done so much more. Yes, they're not exactly obscure, but if "The Seeds of Love" is any indication of the direction the band was going in (as in, highly experimental) then I wish there was more material. And I'm talking TFF as a duo, not the solo-Roland TFF. Bruce Hornsby & the Range (3 albums in a 5 year period). While "A Night on the Town" was definitely a disappointment in my eyes, the first two albums are masterpieces I could listen to a million times. It's a shame that Bruce got a little *too* influenced by jazz/bluegrass and hasn't put out anything particularly mind-blowing since The Range. As mentioned, The Dream Academy (3 albums in 6 years). They're definitely far from my favorite group and I would hardly consider their stuff "classic," but they brought about a very unique sound. Their songwriting was very atmospheric and blurred some lines between pop and classical--I definitely don't think "formulaic" for a second when listening to their stuff. Fine Young Cannibals (2 albums in 4 years). While pretty much just the band that sung "She Drives Me Crazy," they did demonstrate a gift for catchy pop hooks. While I don't predict they would have broken any barriers with further albums, it would've have been nice to have a few more CD's of material from them. Just generally upbeat, poppy stuff with some unique vocals.

Vinyl: Everything from Rush-Presto CD: 2112, Caravan [single], Counterparts, A Farewell to Kings, Permanent Waves, Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, Vapor Trails, Working Men Cassette: Nothing, I never buy them. 8-Track: Just Hemispheres. Digital: I assume you meant CD. If not, nothing since I also never buy a non-physical song/album. So I guess I only have 2 formats max (I could've sworn I had Hemispheres on CD--oh well), but for 3 albums.

QUOTE (RUDT @ Jan 4 2012, 05:23 AM) Since the making of HYF, the music and the keyboards went downhill... Did you even read the thread topic?

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Enigma?

I'm going to come in here, say that 5150 is their best album... ...and then

Are we talking bands that are still touring/plan to tour, or just our dream reunions? I presume we can't bring back the dead. If the Genesis trio decided to do one more tour, I would jump on that immediately. I missed my chance to see them in 07 and I was far too young for the 92 tour. However, I realize there is about a 0.000001% of that happening again... So as far as reality goes, I would see Prince. Even though I've been less than impressed with his musical approach since about 2000-ish (funnily enough, the year when I last saw him, even though I was 10) he still is without a doubt my favorite artist of all-time. I missed my chance in 2004 when he was here and he hasn't done an actual "tour" since then.

QUOTE (invisible airwave @ Dec 13 2011, 12:05 PM) In France, skinny man Died of a big disease with a little name By chance his girlfriend came across a needle Soon she did the same At home there are seventeen year old boys And their idea of fun Is being in a gang called The Disciples High on crack, totin' a machine gun Dearly beloved We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called life Electric word life It means forever and that's a mighty long time But I'm here 2 tell u There's something else The afterworld A world of never ending happiness U can always see the sun, day or night So when u call up that shrink in Beverly Hills U know the one - Dr Everything'll Be Alright Instead of asking him how much of your time is left Ask him how much of your mind, baby 'Cuz in this life Things are much harder than in the afterworld In this life You're on your own And if de-elevator tries 2 bring u down Go crazy - punch a higher floor Beat me to it! The first two that came to mind Might I also add: "Don't worry, I won't hurt you. I only want you to have some fun..." Then, of course, the actual first sung lines are amazing as well. (Prince - 1999) "I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord..." (Phil Collins - Face Value) "Helllooooooooo babbbyyyyyyyyy!" (Van Halen - 5150) "Your butt is mine..." (Michael Jackson - Bad; it may seem silly out of context, but it just works wonderfully as the opening line) "You should've been goooooone!" (Okay, that one was a joke )

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Nov 28 2011, 10:35 PM)No Drum Solo? After "Leave that Thing Alone"

^^^Is this your prediction, your wishlist, or some combination of the two? While we should probably expect a butt-load from CA, I think even Rush wouldn't beat us over the head by opening the second set with 7 CA songs, haha. If I had to take a stab at the 2012 setlist (NOTE: Nothing anywhere near my ideal setlist )... ---------------------------------------------------- Set 1: 2112 (Overture/ToS/Grand Finale) Freewill BU2B YYZ Caravan [CA Song] Show Don't Tell Earthshine Limelight Marathon Leave that Thing Alone Drum Solo Something for Nothing Set 2: Tom Sawyer Distant Early Warning The Twilight Zone [CA Song] [CA Song] [CA Song] One Little Victory Subdivisions Bravado Jacob's Ladder The Spirit of Radio Workin' Them Angels La Villa Strangiato Encore: A Passage to Bangkok Closer to the Heart Working Man ----------------------------------------------------

QUOTE (presto123 @ Nov 24 2011, 12:59 AM) QUOTE (goose @ Nov 24 2011, 12:17 AM) How many artists do you hear and say, "He was completely influenced by Alex"? On the other hand, there are endless guitarists using Eddie's style. Not that Alex isn't great. He just doesn't stand out as one with a singular distinctive, signature style or sound. That's why he'll never top this kind of list. What? Alex signature style and sound is probably his greatest strength. As soon as you hear him play on anything you immediately know who it is. There are not too many guitar players you can say that about. Alex may have his own "sound" going, but it's hardly discernible on an EVH-level. It's so easy for us giant Rush fans to go on and on about Alex's guitar work in the context of Rush, but I honestly don't think anyone outside of a fan would pick up on his use of chords, effects, etc. If you play EVH without the rest of the band, chances are you could still tell it's EVH; if you play Alex without the rest of the band, I don't think he would be as recognizable. But really, there's nothing wrong with that. Alex may never be known on the level that these other guitarists are, but that's because he does his best to make sure that not only he, but the other 2 guys in the band get heard.

QUOTE (trenken @ Nov 23 2011, 10:01 PM) You're insane. People usually vote for who is technically better, or more influential and Eddie does things far more difficult than anything Alex has ever played, and has been FAR more influential to other guitarists. Just because Alex is in a band you like more doesnt mean the entire world should think he should be ranked over a guitarist significantly more legendary. This. EVH being ranked above Alex isn't that criminal and can at least be justified. Now if it were Slash or Kirk Hammett, then maybe we'd have some issues.

Went with "Sabbath will deliver better tour, Van Halen will produce the better album"... I believe that VH can still produce some great music (I'm not so sure about BS). However, when it comes to touring and playing the older material, I think VH has a problem with the fact that they all think they're young and still act like it (*ahem* DLR *ahem*) and the fact that I won't be seeing Michael Anthony with them is still an issue to me.

I'm amazed you haven't brought up Stevie Nicks or Christine McVie yet, LiddyBuck

Voted 5150 and I'll leave it at that.