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You may as well move this topic to MOTS, because there are more posts about Phil and Genesis than there are about Neil/Rush. For the love of Christ, I would be bloody amazed if I read something about Genesis in this forum and the conversation DIDN'T turn into some statement on Phil/Genesis "selling out" or what-have-you. I love and respect EVERY single era of Genesis and Phil's careers even if I prefer some to others. Phil wasn't even the primary songwriter in Genesis (and neither was Peter for that matter in case someone wants to go there), so to expect Phil to go solo AND maintain the Genesis sound is ridiculous--he wrote the songs that HE enjoyed and HE was passionate about. If he wanted to write Genesis songs, he would make an album with Genesis. He created very memorable, very well crafted (no matter how popular a song is, it can still be a good one, believe it or not) songs in every stage of his career. I'm just sorry that everyone has to see Phil's career and Genesis' career as one single entity and judge one based on the other as well as hold people to outdated and unreasonable standards of music.

Working Man Anthem The Necromancer 2112 Cygnus X-1: Book 1 Cygnus X-1: Book 2 Natural Science Limelight Subdivisions The Enemy Within Middletown Dreams Prime Mover Available Light Where's My Thing? Animate Test for Echo Sweet Miracle Far Cry

QUOTE (MMCXII @ Feb 17 2012, 11:02 AM) Only band I can think of right now is Autograph... I'd have to listen again to see if I still like them but back when I was 16 these guy's debut album came out and they were my favorite band! waited and waited for album #2... never happened. But it did happen? They released three albums between 84 and 87. Their second album came out only one year after the first. After the third album, they disbanded until 1997.

QUOTE (Union 5-3992 @ Feb 19 2012, 09:01 PM) It's 50/50 for me. Either I listen to an entire album, or I put my entire song list on shuffle and enjoy that. It's usually good when I read. There really was no "all of the above" option, but I agree here. For the most part, I guess I just throw everything I own on shuffle and skip a few here and there if I'm really not feeling a song. Sometimes I will be in the mood for a specific artist and just bounce around some favorites from them. But sometimes I will just lay down, throw on some headphones and find a particular album that I'm interested in, or even throw one on the ol' record player.

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Feb 19 2012, 03:24 PM) But when I see Phil go from being a prog drummer and frontman to doing Motown covers (not that there's anything wrong with Motown, mind you) and sugar-coated ballads for movie soundtracks, along with the three songs HA&S mentioned, it makes me think he had more to do with Genesis' transformation than the other two guys. Just an opinion, which I am entitled to despite your objections. ...except that Phil will be the first to admit that it was primarily Mike and Tony that did the writing. Sure, Phil had a lot of input, but it wasn't as if the other guys brought him a 20-minute epic and Phil said "nope, sorry, definitely need the 4-minute ballad--overruled." Mike and Tony had solo projects and side-projects that demonstrated a turn to the shorter, more accessible material just as much as Phil's did--the difference being the amount of success they had. Hell, even Gabriel himself was doing the same thing with his solo material (lest we forget "In Your Eyes" from "...Say Anything"?), and now he's off doing the good ol' "play with the symphony" shtick (which I don't see how that's any better than doing Motown covers). For people to still be on about "Phil changing Genesis" is completely asinine, they were going to reach that point no matter who was singing or doing the songwriting--it was the times changing, not the people.

I'm hard pressed to find a Collins-era song that I DON'T like to some extent (maybe some songs I like significantly less, but none that I really *hate*). As for the Gabriel-era, there are plenty of great ones, but a lot of them put me to sleep as well. I may not be able to list all of my favorite songs, but I will say that Abacab is my favorite album, if that tells you anything.

Feeling in the minority here, but I was pretty let down by the TM Tour setlist (and it was my first and second show ever). I went with original VT setlist.

QUOTE (J2112YYZ @ Feb 12 2012, 10:13 PM) Well, i'm knowledgable about the music. Not what what their trademark sound is named or how it's played. I have no need to know every little thing about the band and it's members. And so you came (and replied) willingly to a thread that is meant to discuss the bands trademark sounds and those "little things"?

God, everyone quit whining. SOPA and PIPA are not (or I guess would not/will not--I don't know) going to just automatically shut down every single copyrighted thing on the internet. The companies responsible for the copyright still have to file a claim for infringement. I'm willing to bet that everyone behind the copyrights found on this site are NOT GOING TO CARE about a few pictures or links of Rush material as long as no one gets stupid and starts posting a bunch of torrent links to released material (aka CD's/DVD's/etc.). Could they find a picture on this site and shut it down? Sure, but that doesn't mean THEY WILL.

Off the top of my head: Tears for Fears (only 3 true albums--excluding the reunion album--in 7 years). I suppose 7 years seems like a long time, it just feels like they could have done so much more. Yes, they're not exactly obscure, but if "The Seeds of Love" is any indication of the direction the band was going in (as in, highly experimental) then I wish there was more material. And I'm talking TFF as a duo, not the solo-Roland TFF. Bruce Hornsby & the Range (3 albums in a 5 year period). While "A Night on the Town" was definitely a disappointment in my eyes, the first two albums are masterpieces I could listen to a million times. It's a shame that Bruce got a little *too* influenced by jazz/bluegrass and hasn't put out anything particularly mind-blowing since The Range. As mentioned, The Dream Academy (3 albums in 6 years). They're definitely far from my favorite group and I would hardly consider their stuff "classic," but they brought about a very unique sound. Their songwriting was very atmospheric and blurred some lines between pop and classical--I definitely don't think "formulaic" for a second when listening to their stuff. Fine Young Cannibals (2 albums in 4 years). While pretty much just the band that sung "She Drives Me Crazy," they did demonstrate a gift for catchy pop hooks. While I don't predict they would have broken any barriers with further albums, it would've have been nice to have a few more CD's of material from them. Just generally upbeat, poppy stuff with some unique vocals.

Vinyl: Everything from Rush-Presto CD: 2112, Caravan [single], Counterparts, A Farewell to Kings, Permanent Waves, Roll the Bones, Test for Echo, Vapor Trails, Working Men Cassette: Nothing, I never buy them. 8-Track: Just Hemispheres. Digital: I assume you meant CD. If not, nothing since I also never buy a non-physical song/album. So I guess I only have 2 formats max (I could've sworn I had Hemispheres on CD--oh well), but for 3 albums.

QUOTE (RUDT @ Jan 4 2012, 05:23 AM) Since the making of HYF, the music and the keyboards went downhill... Did you even read the thread topic?

Enigma?

I'm going to come in here, say that 5150 is their best album... ...and then

Are we talking bands that are still touring/plan to tour, or just our dream reunions? I presume we can't bring back the dead. If the Genesis trio decided to do one more tour, I would jump on that immediately. I missed my chance to see them in 07 and I was far too young for the 92 tour. However, I realize there is about a 0.000001% of that happening again... So as far as reality goes, I would see Prince. Even though I've been less than impressed with his musical approach since about 2000-ish (funnily enough, the year when I last saw him, even though I was 10) he still is without a doubt my favorite artist of all-time. I missed my chance in 2004 when he was here and he hasn't done an actual "tour" since then.

QUOTE (invisible airwave @ Dec 13 2011, 12:05 PM) In France, skinny man Died of a big disease with a little name By chance his girlfriend came across a needle Soon she did the same At home there are seventeen year old boys And their idea of fun Is being in a gang called The Disciples High on crack, totin' a machine gun Dearly beloved We are gathered here today 2 get through this thing called life Electric word life It means forever and that's a mighty long time But I'm here 2 tell u There's something else The afterworld A world of never ending happiness U can always see the sun, day or night So when u call up that shrink in Beverly Hills U know the one - Dr Everything'll Be Alright Instead of asking him how much of your time is left Ask him how much of your mind, baby 'Cuz in this life Things are much harder than in the afterworld In this life You're on your own And if de-elevator tries 2 bring u down Go crazy - punch a higher floor Beat me to it! The first two that came to mind Might I also add: "Don't worry, I won't hurt you. I only want you to have some fun..." Then, of course, the actual first sung lines are amazing as well. (Prince - 1999) "I can feel it coming in the air tonight, oh lord..." (Phil Collins - Face Value) "Helllooooooooo babbbyyyyyyyyy!" (Van Halen - 5150) "Your butt is mine..." (Michael Jackson - Bad; it may seem silly out of context, but it just works wonderfully as the opening line) "You should've been goooooone!" (Okay, that one was a joke )

QUOTE (fonzbear2000 @ Dec 8 2011, 06:41 PM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Dec 6 2011, 01:57 PM) Yes Rush are great guys but this thread is ridiculous. They are not even close to being the most fan friendly. Their meet and greets are limited and structured and one member won't do them period. Some bands change their setlists nightly because they know that's what fans want. I could never see Rush doing that. They do things on their own terms and I respect them for that but it doesn't make you the most fan friendly band in the world by any stretch. +1 +3

QUOTE (losingit2k @ Nov 28 2011, 10:35 PM)No Drum Solo? After "Leave that Thing Alone"

QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Nov 30 2011, 01:54 PM) QUOTE (Gompers @ Nov 30 2011, 11:48 AM) QUOTE (metaldad @ Nov 30 2011, 02:15 PM)I just put this on. Thank's Gomp Cranking 'Down and Out' and 'Deep in the Motherlode' is imperative. Down And Out just might be the heaviest song in the Genesis catalog

It's amazing how in any other context other than a "TFE-bashing" thread that everyone seemingly bashes TFE. From my time here, taking a stab at Dog Years, Virtuality and TFE as a whole has become sort of the Godwin's Law of Rush. Now that it's time to actually discuss the drawbacks of the album, suddenly everyone's a fan and LeaveMyThingAlone is left to fend for themselves. To be honest, the album is nowhere near as consistent as Counterparts. TFE feels like a mishmash of material and lyrics put together randomly by the guys. Sure, at times the music can be great, and at times the lyrics can be great (and sometimes both), but I always get the feeling like the guys never had their heart into the album (or stepped-back to see the album as a whole). To me, it's kind of just "the album that happened." The songs that I like, I love and the songs that I dislike, I hate. I am on auto-skip with Driven, Half the World (especially), Totem, and Time and Motion (which is probably the least worst out of this list). Dog Years could use a new subject matter, Virtuality could use a better chorus lyrically, CATS and TCoR could have been a little more fleshed out and less cookie-cutter, but they're all listenable (and likable) in my mind. In the end TFE may not be their worst album (just give them 11 years), but it's also not a masterpiece. Just because someone says the album is crap doesn't mean we have to retaliate by claiming it's better than it actually is. The album has some definite highs and some definite lows.

^^^Is this your prediction, your wishlist, or some combination of the two? While we should probably expect a butt-load from CA, I think even Rush wouldn't beat us over the head by opening the second set with 7 CA songs, haha. If I had to take a stab at the 2012 setlist (NOTE: Nothing anywhere near my ideal setlist )... ---------------------------------------------------- Set 1: 2112 (Overture/ToS/Grand Finale) Freewill BU2B YYZ Caravan [CA Song] Show Don't Tell Earthshine Limelight Marathon Leave that Thing Alone Drum Solo Something for Nothing Set 2: Tom Sawyer Distant Early Warning The Twilight Zone [CA Song] [CA Song] [CA Song] One Little Victory Subdivisions Bravado Jacob's Ladder The Spirit of Radio Workin' Them Angels La Villa Strangiato Encore: A Passage to Bangkok Closer to the Heart Working Man ----------------------------------------------------

QUOTE (presto123 @ Nov 24 2011, 12:59 AM) QUOTE (goose @ Nov 24 2011, 12:17 AM) How many artists do you hear and say, "He was completely influenced by Alex"? On the other hand, there are endless guitarists using Eddie's style. Not that Alex isn't great. He just doesn't stand out as one with a singular distinctive, signature style or sound. That's why he'll never top this kind of list. What? Alex signature style and sound is probably his greatest strength. As soon as you hear him play on anything you immediately know who it is. There are not too many guitar players you can say that about. Alex may have his own "sound" going, but it's hardly discernible on an EVH-level. It's so easy for us giant Rush fans to go on and on about Alex's guitar work in the context of Rush, but I honestly don't think anyone outside of a fan would pick up on his use of chords, effects, etc. If you play EVH without the rest of the band, chances are you could still tell it's EVH; if you play Alex without the rest of the band, I don't think he would be as recognizable. But really, there's nothing wrong with that. Alex may never be known on the level that these other guitarists are, but that's because he does his best to make sure that not only he, but the other 2 guys in the band get heard.

QUOTE (trenken @ Nov 23 2011, 10:01 PM) You're insane. People usually vote for who is technically better, or more influential and Eddie does things far more difficult than anything Alex has ever played, and has been FAR more influential to other guitarists. Just because Alex is in a band you like more doesnt mean the entire world should think he should be ranked over a guitarist significantly more legendary. This. EVH being ranked above Alex isn't that criminal and can at least be justified. Now if it were Slash or Kirk Hammett, then maybe we'd have some issues.

QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Nov 18 2011, 09:51 PM) QUOTE (Scars @ Nov 18 2011, 04:11 PM) QUOTE (Xanadoood @ Nov 18 2011, 01:43 PM) How about releasing some new music? No one gives a shit about videos anymore ..it sad to see old bands unable to stay relevant ...the fact they keep talking about a new " album" shows how out of touch they are.. What are you talking about? They ARE releasing new music--that's why they're doing the video. Music video = new single. And yes, people do give a shit about music videos, maybe not in the 1980s-MTV-sense, but there's a thing called YouTube where some of the most popular videos are music videos. You act as if VH is the first band to do a video in 20 years. How exactly are they trying to stay "relevant"? Your use of quotes around "album" makes me think that you think the term is outdated. It's not. Neither is "record" or "CD" (at this point) for that matter. What would you like them to call it? Collection of songs? Digital compilation? EVERY band calls their new album an album. I'm really curious as to what VH is doing that makes them look so out-of-touch to you. They're not doing anything that other bands aren't doing. Have you read any interviews with Neil, Alex or Geddy?...they all state how much the music business has changed in the last decade or so..so much that the old model of releasing videos and radio singles really doesnt matter..radio is dead..MTV is dead...they at least get it, and released a couple songs through their site...it just seems Van Halen is stuck in 1984...they recently stated that they were going to have a big announcemnt at the Grammys ...YAYYYYYY! Again, no one gives a shit.. If Van Halen had been active for the last 10 years or so, with new music and not all the dramatic bullshit, then i would cut them some slack...but that isn't the case. Well if Rush said it... Sure, radio and MTV are "dead" (in the sense of how much they influence the marketing behind music). But there are things called iTunes, YouTube, Pandora, Spotify, there are official websites, etc. Radio and MTV may be dead, but there are now a million other ways to distribute music, and some of those ways require a proper video (YouTube for example). Nowhere is there any claim that VH won't be an Internet-age proper release of their new stuff. Somehow people are getting the impression that Van Halen has this genius marketing plan that involves getting their song played on constant rotation on major radios and MTV, release their album on the big 3 formats (LP, Tape and 8-Track) and then after it goes 30x platinum they'll do a worldwide tour. Please direct me to some sources that indicate that VH has a largely outdated marketing plan that doesn't apply to EVERY SINGLE OTHER BAND IN THE WORLD. Making an announcement at the Grammy's doesn't sound very "cool" or mind-blowing, but when you think of it in terms of it getting people to watch the Grammy's, you'll see there's a lot more going on promotion-wise than just a group of guys seemingly stuck in the 1980s. So you would cut them some slack if they still had their "outdated" approach to promotion, but were releasing new music? That doesn't even make any sense. They have a record deal with an established label. Do you really think that if all this was a huge waste of time and irrelevant that the label would be wasting their time putting money into it? VH can be debated as outdated all you want, but when there's a bunch of businessmen whose careers depend on being relevant, you can bet your ass they're not going to be making dumb moves then.

Went with "Sabbath will deliver better tour, Van Halen will produce the better album"... I believe that VH can still produce some great music (I'm not so sure about BS). However, when it comes to touring and playing the older material, I think VH has a problem with the fact that they all think they're young and still act like it (*ahem* DLR *ahem*) and the fact that I won't be seeing Michael Anthony with them is still an issue to me.