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Warning: potential bummer post ahead... I agree that the sound is amazing, and I'm really looking forward to the release. I didn't notice these changes that you've pointed out, but what I do get distracted by (I'm my own worst enemy here, I guess) is that Lifeson is playing the lead bits after 1:30 differently from how they are on the album. On the album, there are a lot more bended notes, but here he's playing the notes fairly straight (with lots of vibrato). I'm guessing it's probably the knuckle pain, or whatever, but I can't help noticing it. The solo is cool, but there's one bent note on the album version that's just so full of emotion, and it's kind of missing here. It's like he's playing the right notes, but not playing the notes right, if that makes any sense. To be fair, I find it a difficult solo to play, so another possibility is he's just "playing it safe." Any guitarists here (or deep listeners) notice the same thing? I noticed that too. A lot more slides and less bends all night in fact. I also thought it was odd how much he used his index and middle finger for things he used to play with his index and ring finger (like whole steps and even minor thirds). I've had a playing related injury over the years and kind of got the sense of something like that. Could totally be wrong, but something was definitely up. I've never heard him make the mistakes he made during this tour..ever. I felt so sorry for him. If he had to adjust because of pain, he did an amazing job. Still awesome, but he definitely was killing it more on previous tours.

Warning: potential bummer post ahead... I agree that the sound is amazing, and I'm really looking forward to the release. I didn't notice these changes that you've pointed out, but what I do get distracted by (I'm my own worst enemy here, I guess) is that Lifeson is playing the lead bits after 1:30 differently from how they are on the album. On the album, there are a lot more bended notes, but here he's playing the notes fairly straight (with lots of vibrato). I'm guessing it's probably the knuckle pain, or whatever, but I can't help noticing it. The solo is cool, but there's one bent note on the album version that's just so full of emotion, and it's kind of missing here. It's like he's playing the right notes, but not playing the notes right, if that makes any sense. To be fair, I find it a difficult solo to play, so another possibility is he's just "playing it safe." Any guitarists here (or deep listeners) notice the same thing? I noticed that too. A lot more slides and less bends all night in fact. I also thought it was odd how much he used his index and middle finger for things he used to play with his index and ring finger (like whole steps and even minor thirds). I've had a playing related injury over the years and kind of got the sense of something like that. Could totally be wrong, but something was definitely up.

He has to, he's always kinda done it, but it's gotten more pronounced. He must see a chiropractor regularly.

He's always had that sort of focus and intensity, like a blacksmith hammering out a sword or something. Sure the dude is hurting, but that guy is as pro they come.

Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said... It's the logical conclusion of what you did say, though. You answered the question "When does the album come into being?" with that it "has to be" "the first time you consume it". So does that mean the Permanent Waves tour I saw before the album was officially released would be considered "consuming it" or did I actually need to have the vinyl in my grubby little hands ?... I would say yes. The album is the sound recording and not the tour. Though I really wish I could have seen that.

For the first set I found Distant Early Warning to be very powerful. The crowd really got into it. Second set, Jacob's Ladder. Just amazing. My favorite part overall was the walk backwards through time. How the songs went from heavily layered to more and more sparse was genius!

It's a 70s record if you think, as I do, that music conceived, written, recorded, mixed, mastered, and packaged in the 1970s, and which has the smokin' Rush 70s sound for the most part, belongs in the 70s. It's an 80s record if you think that just because it was released on Jan 1 1980 and there were people who didn't hear the songs until they bought the record (i.e. the listening public "consumed it"), it belongs in the 1980s, even though they had played some of the material in 1979 and at any rate the damned thing was produced, manufactured and shrink-wrapped in the last months of the 70s. Does the meal belong to the cook, or to the eater? When the cook is cooking the meal it belongs to him, when the bell rings and the order is picked up it belongs to the server, then once the food is on the table it belongs to the eater. Thus, Permanent Waves is an 80's album. BAM And then the food belongs to the toilet.

BTW I am not trying to be a smart@ss but I just don't feel like looking up all the exact dates again and I don't have them written down anywhere or committed to memory. In general...Baltimore Civic Center MD 79' Capital Centre MD 80' - 87' all shows there Charlotte NC 02' Charlotte NC 07' Atlanta GA 15' BTW I am not trying to be a smart@ss but I just don't feel like looking up all the exact dates again and I don't have them written down anywhere or committed to memory. I had to turn to this just to get the years right! http://www.cygnus-x1...sh/tourinfo.php We have had this thread a couple/few times before and I honestly didn't feel like it this time. No offense to the OP intended... :) It's all good, but I'm new to TRF (like the poster) and I appreciate getting to meet everybody here :)

Cool. Every piece of music that's ever been created has been done so in my lifetime. AND Permanent Waves is still a 70s album. Not even sort of what I said...

yep i am proud member of the "of course its an 80's album" crowd. I've always thought it significant they did that, am sure it was planned. To me, Permanent Waves perfectly straddles the two decades. A perfect mixture of what was and what was to be with the 80's stuff. I agree. I feel like every album has moments that point to what will come on the next one, and moments that point to what came before.

When does the album come into being? Is it in the writing process? The tracking of the instruments? The mixing of the songs? The mastering process perhaps? Or is it the first time you consume it (or have the chance to)? I think it has to be that, because the origins are too nebulous. There is no eureka moment when the song just suddenly exists. It's the culmination of everything they ever learned, practiced and experienced up until that point in time. Then it is slowly crafted into shape over a very lengthy process.

It's The Chipmunks. Show some respect!

There is actually a place called the KFC Yum! Center ? holy **** . . It's a thing... Most venues have the worst names these days

I was at the same 94 Riverfront Coliseum show as you. I noticed! BTW what was your favorite show? Would have loved to see the Signals tour in particular, actually, any of those shows back then...

Don't care that much for the AFTK version of Xanadu. ESL version is way better. AFTK version is slightly sharp (not A440) which means they probably sped up the master tape. I'm sure they had their reasons but it sounds a little chipmunkish in spots.

Roll The Bones - Cincinnati, OH: Riverfront Coliseum 10/29/91 - Noblesville, IN: Deer Creek 6/24/92 Counterparts - Cincinnati, OH: Riverfront Coliseum 3/25/94 - Indianapolis, IN: Market Square Arena 3/26/94 R30 - Morrison, CO: Red Rocks Amphitheater 6/29/04 Snakes & Arrows - Morrison, CO: Red Rocks Amphitheater 8/8/07 Time Machine - Morrison, CO: RedRocks Amphitheater 8/16/10 - Morrison, CO: RedRocks Amphitheater 8/18/10 - Louisville, KY: KFC Yum! Center 4/5/11 Clockwork Angels - Denver, CO: Pepsi Center 8/2/13 R40 - Denver, CO: Pepsi Center 7/11/15

There's another one going on in Feedback. I think my husband gave the best answer. Don't think this one is quite "put to bed"

Permanent Waves - Rush in full ripping glory Moving Pictures - Perfect record Exit... Stage Left - Love it, it features the best version of several tunes Signals - My favorite, the thickest mix! Too thick? Nope Grace Under Pressure - Thick, love the mix and dark minor tone Power Windows - Amazing production. It sparkles Hold Your Fire - Sister album to Power Windows in many ways, weak spots but overall very strong A Show Of Hands - Their peak playing wise. The video is my go to, Geddy multitasks so effortlessly Presto - Great production, poppy, tight and crisp

Permanent Waves - Natural Science Moving Pictures - The Camera Eye Exit... Stage Left - Jacob's Ladder Signals - The Weapon Grace Under Pressure - The Body Electric Power Windows - Marathon Hold Your Fire - Turn The Page A Show Of Hands - Mission Presto - Show Don't Tell

Agreed. "Forward momentum" is exactly his style, and it fits the music of RUSH. Anyone that can make JR Flood listenable is obviously hell of a drummer. :cheers:

Then no one has

Neil is not a "pocket" player, but so what? He plays the gig. Rush's music changes too much to establish any lasting sense of groove, and it demands to be right on the click. That's what gives it it's characteristic sound, it's exciting forward momentum and ultimately it's feel (or lack thereof, depending who you ask).

It makes Citizen Kane look like crap. Seriously, I might have to buy it twice.

What are they now? With CA.......Nickelback imitators. Mick Funny, I always felt that Nickelback were Rush imitators. Not overtly, but the way the guitarist uses droning open strings against his chord shapes is Lifeson® all the way.

Miami Connection (Live Rifftrax)