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That was an actual Yahoo live online stream of one of his shows from the last leg of the tour. There's boot legs of it, both HD video and MP3s floating around. Nearly identical to the show I saw, even most his between song stuff was scripted/the same.

If you like Siamese Dream, check out their debut, Gish. It's not as polished, but I like it even better. I don't mind the Pumpkins, just can't stand Corgan. Melloncollie and the machine album have some decent tracks. Siamese Dream is/was really the only one that survived in my collection though, everything else is shelved or got sold off in the great CD dumping of 2008. I never really liked Gish, as I recall. I'm sure it's on youtube though if I was really curious.

Smashing Pumpkins, IMO, tried the same formula with more commercial success but I don't find their music nearly as compelling, and certainly not as raw. Dickinson's also a more pleasant vocalist. Corgan is a whiny bitch. Still, Siamese Dream will always have its place as one of those singular albums of the 1990s that elevated noise rock and made it digestible for the masses. [yes, I call this genre noise rock because that's really what it is]

I always felt that way. They wrote strong pop hooks awashed in droning distortion. It's modern pop art. It seems those of us who remember are still fans all these years later.

I present Catherine Wheel: They came a bit late for the shoegaze label, ended up getting lumped into alt rock/radio/grunge. But were they 2 years earlier they'd fit and be synonymous with the other bands mentioned. They were fairly well known at the time, though for only a brief couple albums (Ferment and Chrome). This is the only band in the sub-genre I really enjoy. They have a brash, full melodic sound that appeals to me. Chrome has made a bigger impact on me as a musician than all of Rush's material combined. Those familiar with my personal musical output should clearly hear it. I've probably listened to Chrome more times over the years than Moving Pictures.

It's astonishing anyone makes it to disc 2. I didn't.

Burningshed usually takes 8-10 days from the moment I submit the order.

Sadly it's the same for me (although I have a decent system in my car, so not too sad). My studio monitors rarely get used. :(

Don't see why not, you need to play stuff you're familiar with.

The room isn't big at all. It's very small. My wife loves movies, but I listen to music more critically.Here are some groups I like: Prog:Rush, Dream Theater Heavy: Fear Factory, Ammon Amarth Blues: Tedeschi Trucks, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, BB King, Albert King. Hard Rock: Megadeth, Iron Maiden Industrial: NIN, MM, KMFDM. Clarity is what I want and a feeling of depth, like when you're actually at the show and the sound waves are hitting you. I want to hear the different instruments. In movies, dialogue clarity is my beef. Small room definitely helps to keep you within budget and decent quality, since it doesn't require you have full range front/center/satellite speakers. You could get away, like I have, with small satellites and focus more on a decent 10+" Polk or Klipsch sub. I meantion these brands because they tend to be found on sale at Newegg often, and they're good units for the money. Like with any hobbyist gear, you can always spend more for that nominal improvement. Lke someone mentioned, hearing is believing. If you have a good home theater store in town (they're getting rare to find) I suggest visiting them. if you can't hear the difference between a $300 sub and $1500 sub, then you mind as well just get the $300. Picking the right Satellites is tricky, and you can't always rely on customer reviews since some people are deaf and just don't know it. Aside from Bose, none of the suggestions here have been bad IMO. Again, finding someplace to preview them or a trusted review source is critical. You can get away with smaller satellite speakers, but perhaps not the center channel (needed for best movie dialogue reproduction). There's a ton of brands, models, and bundles/kits to choose from. I ended up with the Energy brand speakers because they were on sale and a friend already had them, so I got to hear them before buying. My center is just another satellite speaker, nothing different. But it does the job just fine. Amplifier - you don't need anything too fancy, just something that actually does what it says and has the inputs you need. The lower end Pioneer amps are suficient for entry-mid level setups. Yamaha and Sony have good reputations in making decent lower end models. Modern DACs in most playback equipment (DVD, Bluray, etc) are damn good compared to the past. Oppo gets a premium, and I don't buy into it fully. The idea of being able to throw ANY type of disc into the player and have it work (over HDMI, which can be tricky with higher bitrate audio media) is a very nice proposition and worth paying a bit of a premium to have, but their claims of *superior* fidelity is mostly vaporous. In the digital era the gap between adequate and benchmark performance is shrinking daily. What's available now on the market is what would have been considered top of the line 5-10 years ago, and the bleeding edge has gotten blurred with respect to creating any new frequencies/bit depths. Same for the high resolution formats - blind tests have proven *most people* can't tell above CD quality. So just get the media players you need, and focus your cash on more important matters - in this case, adequate speakers. /brain dump, for now Speaker placement - some common sense will go a long way. You want to be literally center in the room, as much as possible. You will need to move the sub around to find the sweet spot. Anything less and expect diminishing returns. That's another reason to not get too spend crazy - it's likely your listening environment (like mine) is a challenging space to work with, and the best speakers in the world still aren't going to sound their greatest no matter what.

Offering a different angle here (bear in mind I produce music on the side, so I'd say my 'sense of hearing' is probably on par with anyone else's)... You don't need to spend $1500 on a 5.1 setup that will be night/day better than what you have. Frankly, if you're going to go big $1500 just starts getting you there. Even at $1500 it's going to be a series of compromises. You don't need to buy a matching set, although there's nothing *wrong* with doing that. I'm using a Pioneer amp, Energy satellites, and Polk sub. All for ~$650 new. WHAT you need depends largely on the size of the room and its acoustics. It would be wasteful for me to make armchair suggestions without more knowledge about your listening space and specific listening tastes (like it bass heavy? better mids? movies and music? etc).

That's neither interesting nor productive to this discussion. :laughing guy:

There's a few things that Guthrie does better, but that's a discussion quickly sinking deep into the minutiae of guitar playing.

lol awesome quote

That's high praise, like best '80s era Aerosmith. We enjoy it so what is the point? If people get to rail on about how great they think it is (fanboys?), those of us barely able to hold down our lunch when listening should be represented.

I probably came close to finishing disc 1. Can't bring myself to even bother with a whole 'nother disc of this. Maybe out of curiosity in a few years when I run out of better material I'm still absorbing (and enjoying). This is the first DT album since I started listening 1991/92 that I couldn't finish. Most get at least a dozen listens, some still get played for their hundredth+ time to this day (thinking of Awake and SFaM). Oh well, glad someone's enjoying it.

That's high praise, like best '80s era Aerosmith.

Are we listening to the same album? This thing sounds like tired (and trite) borrowed concepts and rehashed material. I'm siding this these guys, *maybe* a handful of decent tracks (at best *decent*): http://www.heavyblog...he-astonishing/ Dream Theater ran out of fresh ideas and, more importantly, inspiration several albums ago.

My review: http://www.dprp.net/reviews/2016-003.php#wilson [i'm the second guy, Kevin]

All the songs are good, a couple are great even. SW's leftovers are tasty.

I like most of 4.5 .

Mangini's drum sound on their latest recordings is shit and really hurts the impact of those performances. This drum clinic recording is much better, the drums aren't compressed to the point they sound electronic/clicky and horribly gated.

Now *that* would be something.

I'll pay attention, but unlikely to seek it out.

Bands just starting out like having famous names on their album jacket. Hence, interest in the Ged. [is this even true? source?]