LeaveMyThingAlone Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I like Halo Effect quite a bit. It is what it is, it's nothing extraordinary, but it's a very good 3:30 minute ballad type. It's a very nice riff throughout that sounds great on strings. I agree that I don't get the slack it gets here...I prefer it to most of the 2nd half of the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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drbirdsong Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Discussions of socialist shithead presidents probably belong in SOCN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Aug 29 2012, 12:32 PM) Discussions of socialist shithead presidents probably belong in SOCN. Is this how far we've fallen? Show some f*cking respect. Edited August 29, 2012 by They Bow Defeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetersvt Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (t2s @ Aug 28 2012, 10:15 PM) If only Rush albums are included, I may agree, though if we can break the epics into parts The Necromancer/ Fountain would take it. As far as non-Rush albums go, no way My vote would be for the run of Lakeside Park - 3 sections of Necromancer - 6 sections of Lamneth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetersvt Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Aug 29 2012, 01:19 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Aug 29 2012, 12:32 PM) Discussions of socialist shithead presidents probably belong in SOCN. Is this how far we've fallen? Show some f*cking respect. Agreed. I am not fond of FDR either, but this is not the appropriate place for this. This thread is about the fact that CA is a great album and could possibly have the best 9 songs on it, other than the fact that the greatest Rush albums had between 4 and 8 songs on them (and thus not eligible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (apetersvt @ Aug 29 2012, 01:37 PM) QUOTE (They Bow Defeated @ Aug 29 2012, 01:19 PM) QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Aug 29 2012, 12:32 PM) Discussions of socialist shithead presidents probably belong in SOCN. Is this how far we've fallen? Show some f*cking respect. Agreed. I am not fond of FDR either, but this is not the appropriate place for this. Okay, I just hope you guys will be declining your Social Security checks in your golden years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Anyway, I do think it's possible that CA has the best 9-song run. The contenders for me would be: Show Don't Tell - Red Tide Dreamline - Neurotica Animate - LTTA TFE - Resist OLV - Earthshine Far Cry - Faithless Caravan - Headlong Flight So, yeah, for consistency I would probably pick CA or maybe VT or CP. Definitely not RTB or TFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Bow Defeated Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) I also have to agree with the post above about the best of CA being really good. For me, the best 8 tracks rank right up there with Rush's best work (especially if remixed and remastered ): Caravan Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Halo Effect Seven Cities Of Gold The Wreckers Headlong Flight The Garden ^ That's a hell of an album! Edited August 29, 2012 by They Bow Defeated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I absolutely agree. In fact - (this is going to be blasphemy) I think the Garden is a great song, but if the album finished after Headlong Flight I think the album as a whole would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomboni Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (sitboaf @ Aug 29 2012, 11:34 AM) QUOTE I posted something like this before, namely if you take the recording time bands had in the 80's or 90's and put your best from CA on that it's pretty damn good. Albums have been able to hold more and more music through the years so the challenge to make a masterpiece from start to finish is greater. Clockwork Angels has about 67 minutes of music. Permanent Waves has a little over 35 minutes. Would Permanent Waves still be considered the masterpiece it is if Rush had to record an additional 32 minutes worth of stuff? Take the best 35 minutes from CA: Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Headlong Flight There's your album if it were 1981. That's a pretty damn intense album from start to finish that I think people would be a bit more inclined to compare favorably to the classics. Does the album get bogged down a bit in parts? Yeah, but I'd bet Permanent Waves would too if they doubled the time Anyway, I get what the OP is saying and agree, but the bigger point is overall I think you have to look at this album as amongst Rush's all time best if nothing else than for the consistency from start to finish Well, that's a good argument, but it's only half an argument. Sure, CA is 67 minutes long, but it took 5 YEARS to make. How much music did Rush put out in any given 5-year stretch from '74 to '93? Normally it was 3 or 4 separate albums. Even having 3 albums in 5 years would yield something like 120 minutes of music. So, when you say an old album would suffer if they doubled the time, it's a false argument. They DID take AFTK and double its running time - it's called Hemispheres and it came out a year later. And then they'd still have 3 years to spare if they followed a 5-year plan like they do now. This illustrates that the music game has changed. If CDs didn't hold so much music, if digital sales weren't so important, if concerts weren't such a big deal, if singles and radio play still determined which artists got rich... well then, Rush would still be putting out two 35-minute albums every 2 years like they used to, and not a chock filled CD every five years. It didn't take 5 years to make! It took about 2 years to make. The rest of the time they were touring for Snakes & Arrows, and doing the Time Machine Tour, and making babies and various other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkingBig Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (drbirdsong @ Aug 29 2012, 12:54 AM) QUOTE (DBJetsman @ Aug 28 2012, 11:20 PM) Saying CA has a better run than 2112 is like saying George W Bush was a better president than Franklin D Roosevelt. C'mon man. I can name about 40 presidents better than FDR, but what does this have to do with Rush? Not U.S presidents you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 QUOTE (Jomboni @ Aug 29 2012, 03:09 PM) QUOTE (sitboaf @ Aug 29 2012, 11:34 AM) QUOTE I posted something like this before, namely if you take the recording time bands had in the 80's or 90's and put your best from CA on that it's pretty damn good. Albums have been able to hold more and more music through the years so the challenge to make a masterpiece from start to finish is greater. Clockwork Angels has about 67 minutes of music. Permanent Waves has a little over 35 minutes. Would Permanent Waves still be considered the masterpiece it is if Rush had to record an additional 32 minutes worth of stuff? Take the best 35 minutes from CA: Caravan BU2B Clockwork Angels The Anarchist Carnies Headlong Flight There's your album if it were 1981. That's a pretty damn intense album from start to finish that I think people would be a bit more inclined to compare favorably to the classics. Does the album get bogged down a bit in parts? Yeah, but I'd bet Permanent Waves would too if they doubled the time Anyway, I get what the OP is saying and agree, but the bigger point is overall I think you have to look at this album as amongst Rush's all time best if nothing else than for the consistency from start to finish Well, that's a good argument, but it's only half an argument. Sure, CA is 67 minutes long, but it took 5 YEARS to make. How much music did Rush put out in any given 5-year stretch from '74 to '93? Normally it was 3 or 4 separate albums. Even having 3 albums in 5 years would yield something like 120 minutes of music. So, when you say an old album would suffer if they doubled the time, it's a false argument. They DID take AFTK and double its running time - it's called Hemispheres and it came out a year later. And then they'd still have 3 years to spare if they followed a 5-year plan like they do now. This illustrates that the music game has changed. If CDs didn't hold so much music, if digital sales weren't so important, if concerts weren't such a big deal, if singles and radio play still determined which artists got rich... well then, Rush would still be putting out two 35-minute albums every 2 years like they used to, and not a chock filled CD every five years. It didn't take 5 years to make! It took about 2 years to make. The rest of the time they were touring for Snakes & Arrows, and doing the Time Machine Tour, and making babies and various other things. They did that other stuff before as well, except in one or two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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