KANSAS...the band

**Tick** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (the_masked_drummer @ Jul 27 2006, 07:42 AM)

Listen to Magnum Opus if you're a non-believer. That tune totally kicks butt! I have a guitarist friend that says Kerry Livgren is the man. On their DVD Voice, Device, Drum they utilize animation on "miracles out of nowhere" which has to be seen to be believed. It's like this musical creature that plays all of the parts at once, even drums, in perfect time with the live band. Really creative awesome stuff! Anyone else seen this DVD? It's cool cuz Robbie Steinhardt is back with the band now.

im a huge kansas fan as some of you know. the dvd, "device, voice, drum" is incredible and will make you a fan if your not already. sadly though robby has once again exited the band and has been repaced by david ragsdale who was with the band throughout the 90's and into this century. believe me this guy is no slouch. kansas is currently touring and will play b.b. kings in new york on aug.7th. well worth checking out.

**launchpad67a** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 01:08 AM)

KANSAS...the band, what are your feelings about them?

Complete and utter ambivalence.

Sorry goob, had to look it up.

Ambivalence (n)

1 : contradictory emotional or psychological attitudes especially toward a particular person or object and often with one attitude inhibiting the expression of another *a heightened ambivalence which is expressed in behavior by alternating obedience and rebellion, followed by self-reproach G.S.Blum*; specifically : simultaneous attraction toward and repulsion from an object, person, or action *Apache ambivalence in attitude and behavior toward death C.K.Kluckhohn*

2 a : continual oscillation (as between one thing and its opposite) : FLUCTUATION *Thackeray's major novels are vitiated by an ambivalence between satire and sentimentalism J.L.Davis* b : uncertainty as to which approach, attitude, or treatment to follow *the English film T because of a nervous ambivalence toward its subject matter T fails to produce the chuckles John McCarten*

**the masked drummer** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (tick @ Jul 27 2006, 07:01 AM)

QUOTE (the_masked_drummer @ Jul 27 2006, 07:42 AM)

Listen to Magnum Opus if you're a non-believer. That tune totally kicks butt! I have a guitarist friend that says Kerry Livgren is the man. On their DVD Voice, Device, Drum they utilize animation on "miracles out of nowhere" which has to be seen to be believed. It's like this musical creature that plays all of the parts at once, even drums, in perfect time with the live band. Really creative awesome stuff! Anyone else seen this DVD? It's cool cuz Robbie Steinhardt is back with the band now.

im a huge kansas fan as some of you know. the dvd, "device, voice, drum" is incredible and will make you a fan if your not already. sadly though robby has once again exited the band and has been repaced by david ragsdale who was with the band throughout the 90's and into this century. believe me this guy is no slouch. kansas is currently touring and will play b.b. kings in new york on aug.7th. well worth checking out.

Thanks Tick,

I didn't know Robbie left again. I agree in that Ragsdale cat is damn good, too. Saw him with those guys a couple times in the 90's.

**rushgoober** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 27 2006, 04:31 AM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 01:08 AM)

KANSAS...the band, what are your feelings about them?

Complete and utter ambivalence.

Sorry goob, had to look it up.

Ambivalence (n)

1 : contradictory emotional or psychological attitudes especially toward a particular person or object and often with one attitude inhibiting the expression of another *a heightened ambivalence which is expressed in behavior by alternating obedience and rebellion, followed by self-reproach G.S.Blum*; specifically : simultaneous attraction toward and repulsion from an object, person, or action *Apache ambivalence in attitude and behavior toward death C.K.Kluckhohn*

2 a : continual oscillation (as between one thing and its opposite) : FLUCTUATION *Thackeray's major novels are vitiated by an ambivalence between satire and sentimentalism J.L.Davis* b : uncertainty as to which approach, attitude, or treatment to follow *the English film T because of a nervous ambivalence toward its subject matter T fails to produce the chuckles John McCarten*

I guess maybe I've been defining ambivalent wrong for years, as I always though of it as having no feelings towards something or not caring one way or the other - basically, a total lack of interest or preference.

Anyway, you know, the big hits of Kansas to me are just fine. I don't dislike them, nor do I really care about them.

One time I heard their first album and was actually impressed, as it wasn't the pop/vaguely southern rock I knew of them, but while I was impressed, I wasn't inspired enough to pursue them either.

To me they're like Heart on this board. A group I really have nothing against, but can't for the life of me figure out why they have such an enduring and rabid following.

**Tick** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 10:01 AM)

QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 27 2006, 04:31 AM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 01:08 AM)

KANSAS...the band, what are your feelings about them?

Complete and utter ambivalence.

Sorry goob, had to look it up.

Ambivalence (n)

1 : contradictory emotional or psychological attitudes especially toward a particular person or object and often with one attitude inhibiting the expression of another *a heightened ambivalence which is expressed in behavior by alternating obedience and rebellion, followed by self-reproach G.S.Blum*; specifically : simultaneous attraction toward and repulsion from an object, person, or action *Apache ambivalence in attitude and behavior toward death C.K.Kluckhohn*

2 a : continual oscillation (as between one thing and its opposite) : FLUCTUATION *Thackeray's major novels are vitiated by an ambivalence between satire and sentimentalism J.L.Davis* b : uncertainty as to which approach, attitude, or treatment to follow *the English film T because of a nervous ambivalence toward its subject matter T fails to produce the chuckles John McCarten*

I guess maybe I've been defining ambivalent wrong for years, as I always though of it as having no feelings towards something or not caring one way or the other - basically, a total lack of interest or preference.

Anyway, you know, the big hits of Kansas to me are just fine. I don't dislike them, nor do I really care about them.

One time I heard their first album and was actually impressed, as it wasn't the pop/vaguely southern rock I knew of them, but while I was impressed, I wasn't inspired enough to pursue them either.

To me they're like Heart on this board. A group I really have nothing against, but can't for the life of me figure out why they have such an enduring and rabid following.

well goobs, you cant understand becuase you have not delved deep enough to really know their true essence. if you did i think you might feel diferently. kansas is way more then carry on wayward son and dust in the wind. as masked drummer said check out magnum opus then tell me what you think.

**rushgoober** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (tick @ Jul 27 2006, 06:21 AM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 10:01 AM)

QUOTE (launchpad67a @ Jul 27 2006, 04:31 AM)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 01:08 AM)

KANSAS...the band, what are your feelings about them?

Complete and utter ambivalence.

Sorry goob, had to look it up.

Ambivalence (n)

1 : contradictory emotional or psychological attitudes especially toward a particular person or object and often with one attitude inhibiting the expression of another *a heightened ambivalence which is expressed in behavior by alternating obedience and rebellion, followed by self-reproach G.S.Blum*; specifically : simultaneous attraction toward and repulsion from an object, person, or action *Apache ambivalence in attitude and behavior toward death C.K.Kluckhohn*

2 a : continual oscillation (as between one thing and its opposite) : FLUCTUATION *Thackeray's major novels are vitiated by an ambivalence between satire and sentimentalism J.L.Davis* b : uncertainty as to which approach, attitude, or treatment to follow *the English film T because of a nervous ambivalence toward its subject matter T fails to produce the chuckles John McCarten*

I guess maybe I've been defining ambivalent wrong for years, as I always though of it as having no feelings towards something or not caring one way or the other - basically, a total lack of interest or preference.

Anyway, you know, the big hits of Kansas to me are just fine. I don't dislike them, nor do I really care about them.

One time I heard their first album and was actually impressed, as it wasn't the pop/vaguely southern rock I knew of them, but while I was impressed, I wasn't inspired enough to pursue them either.

To me they're like Heart on this board. A group I really have nothing against, but can't for the life of me figure out why they have such an enduring and rabid following.

well goobs, you cant understand becuase you have not delved deep enough to really know their true essence. if you did i think you might feel diferently. kansas is way more then carry on wayward son and dust in the wind. as masked drummer said check out magnum opus then tell me what you think.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it's hard for me when people suggest new bands for me to listen to, no matter how fanatically they do so. I understand the fanaticism, as I share that with bands I truly love and care about. I just have SOOOO much music that it's hard for me to get excited about checking out other music. I feel pretty musically saturated, and unless it's something I don't have in a genre/time period I'm actively pursuing, someone really has to force it upon me for me to take notice. Even then, if it's outside of the genres/time periods I'm really into, the batting average of me loving something that a person enthusiastically recommends is close to zero. Maybe if I heard some stuff, I'd dig it, but I've probably got over 500 albums I would rather obtain that are higher priority, and even those I'm not pursuing at all right now as I try and catch up with all the music I've obtained in the last several years that I haven't really fully absorbed yet...

**Tick** · July 27, 2006

ok goobs ya stuborn bastard. have it your way. your one of a kind. i just dont know what kind that is yet.

p.s. you have never heard anything i have recomended so as far as im concerned im batting 1.000%

Edited July 27, 2006 by tick

**rushgoober** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (tick @ Jul 27 2006, 06:55 AM)

ok goobs ya stuborn bastard.

have it your way. your one of a kind. i just dont know what kind that is yet.

p.s. you have never heard anything i have recomended so as far as im concerned im batting 1.000%

well, my intention has always been, and still is, to listen to all that music when i finally get to oregon as grizz has all that stuff, and i can borrow it from him. i just haven't had the opportunity yet, and it's obviously taking a lot longer to get there than i originally anticipated. i haven't forgotten about it, and i still have a running mental list of bands i must check out. admittedly, i'm not incredibly enthusiastic about loving any of them as people's success in recommending newer music to me usually ends with their great confidence and enthusiasm meeting my brick wall of indifference to the music they're so passionate about, but i still WILL give it a try anyway, and with an open mind.

btw, when you find out what "kind" i am, please let me know.

**Necromancer** · July 27, 2006

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jul 27 2006, 10:45 AM)