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[Godot]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 12:31 AM)

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 16 2011, 09:31 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Nov 16 2011, 09:55 PM) FYI....that shit is about the farthest from "manly" as possible. It's a show for little girls, pal.. You know, kids have gotten kicked out of their show for liking the show. Is that fair?   Kids get bullied for being open about it, which is why there are "Closet" bronies. Is that fair?   You know, you might think you know all, but you really don't. You ignore facts just like any other bigot.   Therefore, sir, your argument is invalid. There's a scale, from 1 to 100. On the left side, starting at 1, you've got stuff for little kids - like, three year olds. Sesame Street. Barney. On the right side, up at 100, you've got porn. Super hardcore porn. Stuff no kid should ever be allowed to see under any circumstances.   My Little Pony, in any incarnation, is a fking TWO. Unless you're a father watching it with a little kid, there is no reason for you to be watching it. You say it makes you happy... you know what else makes people happy? Sex. And if you're an adult, you're able to have it. Go. Have it. Leave the little girl cartoons to the little girls. Because honestly, you're creeping people out. It's not normal no matter how much you want it to be or how many justifications you can come up with (sorry, the producer embracing a larger audience isn't valid. She's doing that because it means more money for the show. That's all.)   Now, there's two more points here. First, is it right that kids get bullied over this? No. But it's understandable. They might as well wear a dress and makeup to school. Nobody should get beaten up over this, but at least *try* to be realistic here.   Second, I swear to god if you honestly equate people making fun of bronies with bigotry, there's something broken in your head. Minorities have been spat upon, segregated and literally lynched in this country by bigots, and your love of a cartoon for little girls isn't in the same ballpark - it's not even the same fking sport, to borrow a phrase.   Come back down to earth. It's a fine quality show. I've seen it. My 6 year old daughter and my 3-next-month son both enjoy it. And they'll both outgrow it, as they're supposed to. You should give that a try. Oh sorry, I forgot radical examples change definitions. I guess we should replace the words in the dictionary with slang definitions too shouldn't we?   Bigotry is prejudice in the most basic summation, and I know for a fact that can-utility was being prejudicial just like you are. Once again I will tell you and every other idiot here who thinks they know what they are arguing:   You are wrong, and until you can come to me with an honest view of the show WITH PROPER GROUNDS FOR JUDGEMENT, you will always be wrong. Want to know why? Because of lack of foundation. That's right. Your foundations are all based on bias, whereas I've actually given solid fact as to why it should be acceptable,and if you want to argue that I haven't, then you haven't read my arguments well enough.

[Godot]

And for my final argument:

 

Look at all of the artists who have made art for the show

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There's some really amazing stuff out there. Should they not have done that because they're men (most are) and it's a girly influence?

 

How about all of the writers who write fan fiction, myself included. Should we just stop? Should I apologize for finally being motivated to get somewhere with a novel, and express my creative talents?

 

How about all of the music composers? Should they stop furthering their musical exposure because it doesn't appeal to you?

 

By saying we should stop being influenced and entertained by something we love just because you don't like it, you are indeed being either a bigot, or to just flat out say it, an asshole. A bigot wouldn't know these things and would judge just based on the fact that people like the show. An asshole would know these things and deny people something they love as well as their creativity .

QUOTE

Art as expression, not as market campaigns.       -Neil Peart

 

Good day sir. As for all of the people who have argued with me, you've completely derailed this thread, thanks guys.

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 05:57 AM)

You know what? I'd get kicked out too. Do you understand how abusive that parenthood is, for not allowing a child to like what he likes? My buddy Josh's parents force him into Christianhood. It's complete mental abuse, and my friend Josh is the most depressed kid around. And it's not just him, I know other people.

All you've proven is that you are a child incapable of understanding what it means to be an adult and especially what it means to have a child of your own. It's not abuse when a parent doesn't let a kid like what he wants to like. That's called parenting. It's good parenting when the parent doesn't let the kid get into things that are harmful (and I'd call getting beat up in school, made fun of relentlessly by your peers and stunting mental growth harmful) It's bad parenting when a parent doesn't let their kid to healthy things.

 

Teenage boys with watching a cartoon make for little girls isn't healthy. It's not normal by any definition of the word "normal". Go look it up. You guys and your "movement" (laugh) are not normal. I'm not saying everything and everyone should conform to the norm, but please stop pretending like you do. You don't. You are abnormal and the sooner you realize that people aren't going to give you a pass about this, the better off you'll be.

 

As for the bigotry, there's a world of difference between hating someone for what they are and making fun of someone because of what they choose to like. Nobody is coming down on you because you were born black, or gay, or Asian or funny lookin'. That would be wrong. But you choose to watch cartoons made for little girls. That is absolutely something that society will mock you for - and rightly so. That doesn't make people bigots and for you to equate that mockery with the treatment that minorities have been receiving from the real bigots is insulting.

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 06:00 AM)

Once again I will tell you and every other idiot here who thinks they know what they are arguing: You are wrong, and until you can come to me with an honest view of the show WITH PROPER GROUNDS FOR JUDGEMENT, you will always be wrong. Want to know why? Because of lack of foundation. That's right. Your foundations are all based on bias, whereas I've actually given solid fact as to why it should be acceptable,and if you want to argue that I haven't, then you haven't read my arguments well enough.

Read this part again. Now, I'm going to ask you to do the impossible, I know, but here goes. Flip that around and apply it to yourself. Try it. Be objective. See if you can see that what you just wrote has nothing to do with us.

 

An honest view of the show? What's honest? Your point of view is your point of view. I've seen the show and I've seen the way you and your 'bronies' act, and my point of view is just as honest as yours.

 

Bias? You have it. You have it in spades. You are in love with a little girls' cartoon and you scream and yell and throw just as many insults as anyone trying to defend it. That's the very definition of bias.

 

Prejudice? You don't know the meaning of the word. It means, quite literally, to pre-judge. To have an opinion without learning facts first or to base an opinion on a dominant trait. I'm not prejudiced about this. I told you, I've watched that show with my kids. I'm well aware of it.

 

Facts? You have given none. You have given your opinion about why things should be the way YOU want them to be, but you've actually given nothing that counts as an actual fact. This is all about your opinions vs. other people's opinions. "The sky is blue" is a fact. "You should leave me alone because the ponies are good" is an opinion.

[Godot]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 08:29 AM)

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 05:57 AM) You know what?  I'd get kicked out too.  Do you understand how abusive that parenthood is, for not allowing a child to like what he likes? My buddy Josh's parents force him into Christianhood.  It's complete mental abuse, and my friend Josh is the most depressed kid around. And it's not just him, I know other people. All you've proven is that you are a child incapable of understanding what it means to be an adult and especially what it means to have a child of your own. It's not abuse when a parent doesn't let a kid like what he wants to like. That's called parenting. It's good parenting when the parent doesn't let the kid get into things that are harmful (and I'd call getting beat up in school, made fun of relentlessly by your peers and stunting mental growth harmful) It's bad parenting when a parent doesn't let their kid to healthy things.   Teenage boys with watching a cartoon make for little girls isn't healthy. It's not normal by any definition of the word "normal". Go look it up. You guys and your "movement" (laugh) are not normal. I'm not saying everything and everyone should conform to the norm, but please stop pretending like you do. You don't. You are abnormal and the sooner you realize that people aren't going to give you a pass about this, the better off you'll be.   As for the bigotry, there's a world of difference between hating someone for what they are and making fun of someone because of what they choose to like. Nobody is coming down on you because you were born black, or gay, or Asian or funny lookin'. That would be wrong. But you choose to watch cartoons made for little girls. That is absolutely something that society will mock you for - and rightly so. That doesn't make people bigots and for you to equate that mockery with the treatment that minorities have been receiving from the real bigots is insulting. Society is right to mock someone for an interest?   Wow, it's one thing to say Society will mock us, but to try to justify it?!   By no right should anyone be mocked for what they enjoy, that's just flat out bullying which you can't justify, but the fact that you are trying to right now is a bit disheartening. I'd respect any of your points if you weren't being completely illogical about these things, and instead, being brutish in your terms and close minded.

[Tommy Sawyer]

Edited November 17, 2011 by Tommy Sawyer

[Tommy Sawyer]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 08:39 AM)

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 06:00 AM) Once again I will tell you and every other idiot here who thinks they know what they are arguing: You are wrong, and until you can come to me with an honest view of the show WITH PROPER GROUNDS FOR JUDGEMENT, you will always be wrong.  Want to know why?  Because of lack of foundation.  That's right.  Your foundations are all based on bias, whereas I've actually given solid fact as to why it should be acceptable,and if you want to argue that I haven't, then you haven't read my arguments well enough. Read this part again. Now, I'm going to ask you to do the impossible, I know, but here goes. Flip that around and apply it to yourself. Try it. Be objective. See if you can see that what you just wrote has nothing to do with us.   An honest view of the show? What's honest? Your point of view is your point of view. I've seen the show and I've seen the way you and your 'bronies' act, and my point of view is just as honest as yours.   Bias? You have it. You have it in spades. You are in love with a little girls' cartoon and you scream and yell and throw just as many insults as anyone trying to defend it. That's the very definition of bias.   Prejudice? You don't know the meaning of the word. It means, quite literally, to pre-judge. To have an opinion without learning facts first or to base an opinion on a dominant trait. I'm not prejudiced about this. I told you, I've watched that show with my kids. I'm well aware of it.   Facts? You have given none. You have given your opinion about why things should be the way YOU want them to be, but you've actually given nothing that counts as an actual fact. This is all about your opinions vs. other people's opinions. "The sky is blue" is a fact. "You should leave me alone because the ponies are good" is an opinion. Better post than your previous one, but I still think Litehawk has this one right. He made the mistake of calling his opinion fact, but that doesn't mean his argument is invalid and null. He has the same right as anyone else to take part in activities he enjoys.   I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get?

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Nov 17 2011, 03:25 PM)

He has the same right as anyone else to take part in activities he enjoys. I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get?

He does, yes. He has the right to be a fan of whatever he likes. Other people have the right to make fun of him for it, to mock him for it. And yes, I think that society is right to do so and that's just my opinion on the matter.

 

Where you guys are wrong though is in thinking that mockery is inherently tied to bullying. A square is always a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. Nobody should ever be beat up over this and I would never, ever advocate that. Nobody should be thrown out of their home over it (that kid in the linked article could have stayed if he agreed to his parents' terms in *their* house). Nobody should feel compelled to commit suicide because of the kind of reaction they get from people over this.

 

But that's not to say that people shouldn't make fun of these 'bronies' for being a little too into a cartoon made for little girls.

 

And to use your porn example, yeah, if that's the kind of thing that you think should be mocked and you find out that I'm doing it, then you should feel like you can mock me for doing it. And I would take that mockery and deal with it. Because that's what grown-ups do.

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Nov 17 2011, 03:25 PM)

I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get?

Yes.

And you know that to be true, unless you've never, ever laughed at a joke or made a joke at someone else's expense. And you have. Doesn't matter who you are, everyone has done that because that's probably 90% of all comedy in one form or another. So to say that everything is on the table and nobody should be mocked is rather disingenuous.

[Godot]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 05:20 PM)

QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Nov 17 2011, 03:25 PM) I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get? Yes. And you know that to be true, unless you've never, ever laughed at a joke or made a joke at someone else's expense. And you have. Doesn't matter who you are, everyone has done that because that's probably 90% of all comedy in one form or another. So to say that everything is on the table and nobody should be mocked is rather disingenuous. Okay, once again you're justifying your argument with the fact that it "WILL" not that it morally "SHOULD."   And to mock me and go as far as the judge who I am based on me liking one show is too far and totally irrational, therefore your arguments are all on false basis-es.

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 04:50 PM)

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 05:20 PM) QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Nov 17 2011, 03:25 PM) I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get? Yes. And you know that to be true, unless you've never, ever laughed at a joke or made a joke at someone else's expense. And you have. Doesn't matter who you are, everyone has done that because that's probably 90% of all comedy in one form or another. So to say that everything is on the table and nobody should be mocked is rather disingenuous. Okay, once again you're justifying your argument with the fact that it "WILL" not that it morally "SHOULD."   And to mock me and go as far as the judge who I am based on me liking one show is too far and totally irrational, therefore your arguments are all on false basis-es. I'm not judging who you are, I'm mocking you for what you like. There's a difference.   And only a child makes the argument that if one thing that a person says is false that everything else that person says must therefore be false. And besides, it has not been properly established that I have said anything factually false. I'm not wrong just because your opinion is that I am irrational.

[Godot]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 06:00 PM)

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 04:50 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 17 2011, 05:20 PM) QUOTE (Tommy Sawyer @ Nov 17 2011, 03:25 PM) I do a lot of things that are "not normal." Does that justify the mockery that I "should" get? Yes. And you know that to be true, unless you've never, ever laughed at a joke or made a joke at someone else's expense. And you have. Doesn't matter who you are, everyone has done that because that's probably 90% of all comedy in one form or another. So to say that everything is on the table and nobody should be mocked is rather disingenuous. Okay, once again you're justifying your argument with the fact that it "WILL" not that it morally "SHOULD."   And to mock me and go as far as the judge who I am based on me liking one show is too far and totally irrational, therefore your arguments are all on false basis-es. I'm not judging who you are, I'm mocking you for what you like. There's a difference.   And only a child makes the argument that if one thing that a person says is false that everything else that person says must therefore be false. And besides, it has not been properly established that I have said anything factually false. I'm not wrong just because your opinion is that I am irrational. You're making arguments based on opinion with no factual evidence. You want to say My Little Pony is a show for girls? It was developed with both girls and boys in mind. That's the main basis of your argument.   I know the logical fallacy you're saying I'm making, but I'm not.

[Good,bad,andrush]

A 17-year-old dude into my little pony?

 

 

^^^^

(society making fun of someone)

 

Is society right to do that? Umm, yes, in the same way the viewer of my little pony has the right to make fun of whatever they like. It's playful in some way, we acknowledge each other's differences, argue which is better, and deal with it when we lose, that's just the happy, feel-good way to do it. Obviously people don't always understand this; the attacker might go overboard and think he is correct at all times, just like the defender might go overboard and take the insults, mockery or whatever it may be too personally.

 

Secret to life, don't take anything too personally. No one is you, so be understanding that everyone is different, whether you're the attacker or defender.

 

Both of you guys are right.

 

Okay but seriously, watching that show as a 17 year old dude is pretty weird bro!

[WCFIELDS]

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 16 2011, 11:31 PM)

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 16 2011, 09:31 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Nov 16 2011, 09:55 PM) FYI....that shit is about the farthest from "manly" as possible. It's a show for little girls, pal.. You know, kids have gotten kicked out of their show for liking the show. Is that fair?   Kids get bullied for being open about it, which is why there are "Closet" bronies. Is that fair?   You know, you might think you know all, but you really don't. You ignore facts just like any other bigot.   Therefore, sir, your argument is invalid. There's a scale, from 1 to 100. On the left side, starting at 1, you've got stuff for little kids - like, three year olds. Sesame Street. Barney. On the right side, up at 100, you've got porn. Super hardcore porn. Stuff no kid should ever be allowed to see under any circumstances.   My Little Pony, in any incarnation, is a fking TWO. Unless you're a father watching it with a little kid, there is no reason for you to be watching it. You say it makes you happy... you know what else makes people happy? Sex. And if you're an adult, you're able to have it. Go. Have it. Leave the little girl cartoons to the little girls. Because honestly, you're creeping people out. It's not normal no matter how much you want it to be or how many justifications you can come up with (sorry, the producer embracing a larger audience isn't valid. She's doing that because it means more money for the show. That's all.)   Now, there's two more points here. First, is it right that kids get bullied over this? No. But it's understandable. They might as well wear a dress and makeup to school. Nobody should get beaten up over this, but at least *try* to be realistic here.   Second, I swear to god if you honestly equate people making fun of bronies with bigotry, there's something broken in your head. Minorities have been spat upon, segregated and literally lynched in this country by bigots, and your love of a cartoon for little girls isn't in the same ballpark - it's not even the same fking sport, to borrow a phrase.   Come back down to earth. It's a fine quality show. I've seen it. My 6 year old daughter and my 3-next-month son both enjoy it. And they'll both outgrow it, as they're supposed to. You should give that a try. Outstanding post right there.....

[Godot]

This will be my last post regarding the subject.

 

It seems to me you constantly ignore facts that it's a personal interest of mine that I won't be ashamed of. The fact that you disapprove of it is one thing, but to make an objective statement is another. Please refrain from insulting groups of people in objective statements, it really gets you nowhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. You choose not to like the show, and I guess the people who watch the show. I choose to like it.

 

 

With this painfully obvious standard brought to light, I hope that we can put this matter to rest.

 

Good day, mentlegen.

[danielmclark]

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 17 2011, 08:58 PM)

This will be my last post regarding the subject. It seems to me you constantly ignore facts that it's a personal interest of mine that I won't be ashamed of. The fact that you disapprove of it is one thing, but to make an objective statement is another. Please refrain from insulting groups of people in objective statements, it really gets you nowhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. You choose not to like the show, and I guess the people who watch the show. I choose to like it. With this painfully obvious standard brought to light, I hope that we can put this matter to rest. Good day, mentlegen.

<sigh>

No, no... after all this, you still don't get it. I think it's probably because you don't read what I've written and only see "I HATE PONEHS!!!!" when you skim my posts because that's all you've trained yourself to expect from people that disagree with your point of view about this.

 

I'm not ignoring the fact that it's a personal interest of yours. This whole thread is predicated on it, in fact. It's impossible to ignore.

 

I've made very few objective statements and have offered a lot of opinions. Just like you.

 

I've *definitely* insulted groups of people - the "bronies" specifically. Guilty. And it's well-deserved for all the reasons that I've outlined over the past few weeks (has it been that long? It feels like this discussion has been going on fking *forever*).

 

Everyone's entitled to their opinions? Yep. Agreed. I wonder why you have such a problem with me expressing mine, though. In the previous sentence you told me I shouldn't.

 

Now, here's where it gets... weird. And it's because you don't actually read my stuff very carefully. I said I don't have a problem with the show. I think it's a fine quality show. The animation is well done. The writing is well done. My kids love it. There's nothing wrong with *the show*. What's wrong is that grown men (and in your case, a teenage guy) are into the show, because it's for little girls.

 

You know what? I'll even grant you that little boys are a small part of the target demo. But you know how I know it's for little girls? Go to Walmart and look at which aisle the MLP toys are in. They're not exactly sitting next to the GI Joes and Star Wars stuff. That it has been a hit with some little boys (and some little boys in mens' bodies) was accidental, despite what the show's producer has said after the fact, when her income was suddenly and inexplicably tied to the bronies that were making her show far more popular than it should have been.

 

So. The show is fine. It's well produced. That leaves your last statement, that I don't like the fans of the show. Not so. I don't like or dislike someone based on one aspect of their personality. You and I are having a very civil, interesting conversation about vehicle laws in another thread. This conversation doesn't factor in that at all. You're fine. I think you're off your rocker for being into a girls' cartoon show, but that doesn't mean I don't like you.

 

So that, er... "mentlegen"... I guess... is my bottom line.

[lerxt1990]

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[Tommy Sawyer]

This thread made my lose a lot of respect for you, Daniel M. Clark.

 

I'm sorry you couldn't understand Lithawk's or my posts, but I think it would be best if we could all just leave it and move on with our lives.

 

Sound like a plan?

[1 of the 7]

I think the bottom line to take away from this is, if you like something, like it. If other people feel that's inappropriate, and they make fun of you for it, remember that the thing you like, and how it makes you feel, should be stronger than the hurt the person's causing you (Sometimes the hurt'll test you. It will. But lean on the thing you love).

 

I get it about Rush. There are people (some right here on this board) who think that I cannot possibly understand Rush, and therefore shouldn't follow them, because I'm a woman and have only been a fan for a little over a year. Well, I say it's possible to understand something right away. Ditto for not being in the intended (or in this case, it's probably more accurate to say expected) demographic. I know what they've done for me and my life. Now, is it EXACTLY what Neil Peart was thinking about when he wrote the song? Perhaps not, but he himself has said he's intrigued by the different interpretations of his songs, including those of...you got it...women. I say if it's helping you get more out of life, no harm, no foul. And it definitely is for me.

 

The only thing I'm going to ask people to question is (bringing this thread back around now) interests they have that might be offensive to me or other people. That's why I took issue with some of the images posted. But really, if a bunch of you are into it, don't let ME get to you. There's three choices; tone it down, tell me I need to change, or tell me to get lost. Obviously, if enough of you are finding it funny and enjoying it, I can accept that maybe I need to broaden my sense of humor to change with the times, and not be so sensitive to terms that may not mean what I think they do.

 

The short version of this? Like what you like, and other people'll have to deal. Be yourself. Nobody else can.

[1-0-0-1-0-0-1]

QUOTE (Litehawk @ Nov 16 2011, 12:41 PM)

This is my first visit in this thread, and I agree with many others here in that I don't find that image funny. Not because I'm easily offended (quite the contrary), but it's vulgar for the sake of being vulgar, and that doesn't make it funny to me. It's not particularly clever.

 

And more importantly, it's too over the top for this particular board. We try to keep this place family- and work-friendly.

 

Now, time to take a look at the rest of the thread....

 

 

....And, we're going to close this. This thread sucked from the first post and it stayed sucky. The images in this thread are not representative of the image we want for this board.

 

Plus I'd like to think, as Rush fans, that our collective sense of humor is better than this. But that's just my opinion.

Edited November 18, 2011 by 1-0-0-1-0-0-1