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The Song Remains The Same.

Coma. Top 100 song for me.

Old World Geddy: HEM. New World Geddy: HYF or p/g . Can't really decide.

ACDC did pretty good. Brian Johnson was successful. When they brought in Axyl, it worked. surprisingly.

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months. Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats? It's real buddy. And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments. People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it. And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round. No shit it's real, buddy. So is the flu. Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself. You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk". Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you. Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again. Militant? Strong willed is more like it. I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it. When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that. I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth. Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice. Let's talk about risk vs impact then. One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure. Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted. The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains. Which leads us to the COVID situation: COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on). The flu does not have an r0 of 1. an r0 of 1 would mean that statistically there is no increase in cases - as one recovers one gets it. The flu is actually around 1.3 on average (the r0 of any virus changes as time goes on - it is a moving target as more become immune) and the WHO (which has overblown everything to date), says that Covid 19 is between 1.4 and 2.5. SARS was stated at points to be 2.0. https://www.worldome...onavirus/#repro To put that in perspective, the measles is 12-18. https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/28757186/ Where do you get "as high as 5.6"? Never seen that number, as even the WHO initially had it at 1.5 - 3.5. I am sure there is some publication out there that claims such a high r0, as there seems to be many publications coming out of the woodwork with scary numbers and information that do not end up coming to fruition, but the CDC and WHO does not say 5.6. You say " For the most part flu isn't communacable [sic] until symptoms appear in the carrier." This is quite incorrect. https://www.cdc.gov/...ease/spread.htm Click the link and educate yourself on the flu. It is absolutely contagious before symptoms show up: Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others. Sound familiar? Yes, the flu is transmitted before symptoms, and yes people are asymptomatic with the flu and still pass it on (sound familiar?) Now, let's go back to your r0 value of 5.6, I'll even say just use your 4.0 if you want, although that is not a valid number, but rather one you pulled from the old top range estimates to instill more fear in people here, have you done the math on that 4.0 number? The mean incubation period is 4.5 days according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/...oV-2 infection. So have you done the math on you r0=4.0 number based on the incubation period? Let's start at KNOWN cases of 200,000 on April 1st - I will even give you the benefit of the doubt HUGELY in saying the 200,000 cases in the US represents not just cases confirmed, but ALL cases (it doesn't, so this is a huge gift to you on this demonstration). based on that info, using your r0 = 4.0 and incubation period 4.5 days average, how many people in the US should have it now? I'll tell you what. You won the argument. Have fun out there. Now I'm going to go 'hide in my closet'. Avoid crowds - yeah, lay low for a while. Fortunately the choices I've made in my life for the last 40 years have put me in a position where I can ride this out. Some short term sacrifice for the greater good, as well as my own. See ya'll in 600 days. By then this little argument won't matter.

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months. Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats? It's real buddy. And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments. People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it. And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round. No shit it's real, buddy. So is the flu. Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself. You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk". Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you. Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again. Militant? Strong willed is more like it. I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it. When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that. I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth. Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice. Let's talk about risk vs impact then. One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure. Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted. The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually 1 or less. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains. Which leads us to the COVID situation: COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. We're up to 90,000 dead from COVID/related. In the US, in less than 3 months. Some would say that number is inflated. OK. let's roll with that. How inflated? Let's try to assign some percentages or values to the 'inflation categories' then come back to a 'real' COVID number. What % of the number is outright bullshit? Sources? What % of the number is medicare 'bonus' inflation? Sources? What % of the number are retroactive and thus suspect? Sources? Other categories of inaccuracy? Type. %, Hard soruce. Type. %, Hard soruce. When we have that we can then talk about 90K being an inaccurate number. I agree that the number might be inaccurate it plausable. My question is why and by how much. I certainly wouldn't want to minimize the real number of dead with hersay and gut feelings. With the motivation of slanting that number to make it appear that the virus isn't as impactful as it really is. So if we're going to say that the number isn't real, why isn't it real? Thank God people like you can't impose your will against people like me, at least not in my country. While you are sitting in your bunker running the numbers, I'll be out to dinner with my wife tonight for the first time in 10 weeks :) Go live your life in fear. I'll be enjoying my life and feeling sorry for people like you. By the way, how are the Wisconsin numbers since they opened up? Must be tens of thousands new cases daily by now with people dying in the streets right? And in Georgia, Florida, etc right? Must be like the apocalypse in those states by now. At what point do you admit that the lock down and "stay at home" orders and closure of business and all this horseshit isn't doing what you claim? :cheers: Thank you.

mistake.

Maybe you can find a metric based on these recent figures from the US... 94K US COVID-attributed deaths 38 Million US unemployed That's just over 400 futures derailed (plus their families') for every COVID death. Be sure to consider the mean age of each population as you do the math. That IS an interesting way to look at it. Thank you. My POV, is that the unemployed can be taken care of somehow. We just need to do a much better job of it. The US has always shit on it's disadvantaged - that needs to change. But at least they can be helped. You can't bring back the dead.

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months. Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats? It's real buddy. And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments. People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it. And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round. No shit it's real, buddy. So is the flu. Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself. You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk". Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you. Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again. Militant? Strong willed is more like it. I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it. When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that. I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth. Then you could apply that to the flu or any "dangerous thing" like driving, no? Do you drive? How can you do that when you might kill someone? I mean 38,000 lives lost every year just in the US, 1.3 million world wide. Don't you care about people? Just one life saved... How can you ever go out in the flu season again? I mean you might have it and give it to someone who is going to a nursing home to visit their mother or grandmother! Give me a f***ing break. Again - if YOU are not going out then YOU can't get the virus right? Seriously, stay the f**k indoors and away from people if you want. That is your choice. Let's talk about risk vs impact then. One of us could slip in the shower and break our necks. There's risk in everything. In that case, it would just be our necks. The death would stop there. Limited exposure. Or we could get in the car and kill ourselves or someone else. Any number of ways. Again, pretty limited exposure as tragic as it is. Nobody else outside that small circle will be impacted. The Flu. Infectious. We pass it along and the R0 is usually around 1. It sucks, but that's the nature of the typical flu virus. So more exposure and chance of death than the singleton events above. Fortunately we as humans have some protection in built up immunity and mostly effective vaccines. For the most part flu isn't communacable until symptoms appear in the carrier. So smart people who are sick with the flu stay home, heal up, and as a net effect limit spread to he next person. 30 something thousand dead in a year sucks, but without vaccines and immunity would be a lot worse..... like it was in the past before modern medical science and vaccines were developed for the common flu strains. Which leads us to the COVID situation: COVID 19. R0 of as high as 5.6. No built up immunity thus far. No working vaccines or treatments. High mortality rate. That R0 means that one person can potentially infect more than 5 new people. That would be ASYMPTOMATIC spread. Spreaders may not know they have it. So they just go to the beach and the bar, catch it, and spread it unaware that it's happening. Risk potential for spreading to people down the line is huge - as we've seen. (and they spread to 4 friends, and they spread to 4 friends, and so on and so on and so on). We're up to 90,000 dead from COVID/related. In the US, in less than 3 months. Some would say that number is inflated. OK. let's roll with that. How inflated? Let's try to assign some percentages or values to the 'inflation categories' then come back to a 'real' COVID number. What % of the number is outright bullshit? Sources? What % of the number is 'medicare bonus' inflation? Sources? What % of the number are retroactive and thus suspect? Sources? Other categories of inaccuracy? Type. %, Hard source. Type. %, Hard source. When we have that we can then talk about 90K being an inaccurate number. I agree that the number might be inaccurate it's plausible. My question is why and by how much. I certainly wouldn't want to minimize the real number of dead with hersay and gut feelings - with the motivation of slanting that number to make it appear that the virus isn't as impactful as it really is. So if we're going to say that the number isn't real, why isn't it real?

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months. Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats? It's real buddy. And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments. People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it. And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round. No shit it's real, buddy. So is the flu. Do you react like this every year when the flu comes around and kills up to 60,000- 65,000 people? No? Why not? It's a real question you should ask yourself. You almost seem militant to anyone who doesn't completely agree with you and want to seal themselves in a cave and not come out until a vaccine is ready. That is your choice to do that. Seal yourself in. Many of the rest of us are ready to get back to normal life and would rather "take the risk". Keep yourself sealed in - and people who feel they are at risk - stay in hiding. The opening of businesses and regular life that you are so against does not affect you because you are hunkering down until there is a vaccine or the virus goes away through herd immunity. So my going out won't affect you at all. In fact you should want people to all go out while you don't and then the 60-70% herd immunity will happen for you. Maybe you are the one who is selfish, not the ones willing to "take a chance" and who want to get the economic engine of this country running again. Militant? Strong willed is more like it. I'm not being selfish by understanding the nature of the virus, understanding that it's a killer, and not wanting to be one who'd infect someone else with it. When you're taking that risk, you're not just taking that risk for yourself. You are taking that risk for everyone down the line who you'd infect. Remember that. I do notice though that no one ever directly answers the question about what lives are worth.

I don`t expect an answer, but Don Felder would be my first guess based on his autobiography. Nope.

I'd argue that this virus is significantly more deadly than any other thing. Even if you don't want to say 80,000 dead in the US because of inflated numbers. I'll be generous and cut that in half. So 40,000 dead in 2 months. Houston, we have a problem. The number of increased deaths is undeniable. They are burying people in mass graves in NYC, because so many are dying. So many more than normal. What's the cause of all that death? The media shoving it down our throats? It's real buddy. And the solution isn't as simple as some guy afraid of dying staying home. Staying home is also supposed to SLOW THE VIRUS DOWN, so that it has a reduced chance to spread to the vulnerable. Until there are vaccines and treatments. People are really showing their selfish, true colors with this thing. Normally I wouldn't give a shit. But people are dying because of it. And yeah, I look forward to the day that we can safely have beer together. I'll buy the first round.

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough. I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess... Overreacting is putting it mildly... That's the mindset that will get people killed. The time to react is a month ago. We should have been hunkering down then. If we all did, then this thing would have had a fair chance of dying out by now. Instead we are at least one order of magnitude worse off (amount of spread) than we were. It will keep spreading unchecked unless we limit humans contact with each other. I cannot conceive of people's inability to understand these simple concepts. Let's come back to this post in a month. We'll see who's right. Almost 2 weeks. How are we doing? 1 week short of a month. How are we doing? Still overreacting? So. Been 1 month now. Have we over-reacted? I have seen videos from ICU's in Italy. I'm pretty sure every person I saw is now dead. I have seen videos and photos of hospitals in the States, showing so many dead that the bodies are bagged up and stored in offices. f***ing offices. Mass graves being dug for victims in Potters Field, NYC. The thing isn't only a lung disease. It attacks the blood and kidneys. Ventilators are no longer the problem, now we need dialysis machines. So tell me - are we over-reacting yet? How many have to die from this population killer before it's taken seriously by the numb of mind? > 80,000 dead in less than 2 months, Have we over-reacted yet? Yes, very much so. How so? Please elaborate. Let me guess, the numbers of dead are inflated? The virus is fake? More people die in 2 months of something else, than COVID has taken? What's the basis? Let me ask you instead - at what point is it worth it to flush the entire economy of the country down the toilet? At what point should we shut down everything and ruin people's lives, people who have worked to start businesses, people in college, trying to learn a field and get an education for their future? At what point do we stop doing surgeries that are considered "elective" and make people wait? At what point do we all hide in our houses, not go out to restaurants, not even go out to get a hair cut? What number of deaths? How many cases of this virus? Is there a number of deaths you feel would make this worth the cost of the entire economy and people's lives? Have you accounted for increase in suicides, increase in number people putting off going to the doctor for things that could end up being deadly like mammograms? And to answer your question as to whether I believe the 80,000 is a valid number, no I do not believe the 80,000 number is correct. I think it is greatly over inflated. When the government gives a 20% bonus for "Covid Related Deaths" on Medicare payments, it creates incentive to game the system for money and there is no doubt that is exactly what is happening. Even just this morning, I posted in the SOCN area of this board this article, telling how a man who died of alcohol poisoning went down as a Covid 19 death. https://www.fr24news...rus-report.html And I guarantee that is far from the only one. New York has admitted that they aren't even confirming Covid-19 deaths, they are going by "presumption". So if someone dies of pneumonia, they just "assume" it was Covid 19 and classify it as such. Are you aware of the death statistics and who is dying? Do you really put forth that all those who have died from "Covid 19" would have lived otherwise? I can't believe you can actually believe that when the average age is so high and a staggering 98% of all deaths had underlying conditions to begin with https://www.worldome...x-demographics/ In a nutshell, even if the 80,000 deaths was a valid number and were legitimate Covid 19 related deaths, I put forth that a very large number of those people would be dead regardless of Covid 19. You should post in SOCN area if you really want to discuss, as you may find yourself more educated on this if you did instead of lambasting anyone who doesn't automatically buy the chicken little hysteria on this. I suppose there are things that I am not as educated about in this space. I have been following this virus since Jan 10. All I see is a trail of death. Even if some of it may be inflated in the US. There is still a killer virus, and there are still a huge number of fatal cases that wouldn't have happened in 2 months otherwise. What's the cost of a life or lives in the face of a killer virus, vs economic cost. I don't want to die from the thing. Do you? Who does? How do we protect them? How do we protect people until such time that there is reliable contract tracing and testing? Every reopening introduces countless vectors for the virus to spread. Who's life is worth it people going out to a bar or a concert?

I see Worm-sign!!!!

Not going to say who. He was my first guitar teacher as a kid - he was a kid himself.

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough. I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess... Overreacting is putting it mildly... That's the mindset that will get people killed. The time to react is a month ago. We should have been hunkering down then. If we all did, then this thing would have had a fair chance of dying out by now. Instead we are at least one order of magnitude worse off (amount of spread) than we were. It will keep spreading unchecked unless we limit humans contact with each other. I cannot conceive of people's inability to understand these simple concepts. Let's come back to this post in a month. We'll see who's right. Almost 2 weeks. How are we doing? 1 week short of a month. How are we doing? Still overreacting? So. Been 1 month now. Have we over-reacted? I have seen videos from ICU's in Italy. I'm pretty sure every person I saw is now dead. I have seen videos and photos of hospitals in the States, showing so many dead that the bodies are bagged up and stored in offices. f***ing offices. Mass graves being dug for victims in Potters Field, NYC. The thing isn't only a lung disease. It attacks the blood and kidneys. Ventilators are no longer the problem, now we need dialysis machines. So tell me - are we over-reacting yet? How many have to die from this population killer before it's taken seriously by the numb of mind? > 80,000 dead in less than 2 months, Have we over-reacted yet? Yes, very much so. How so? Please elaborate. Let me guess, the numbers of dead are inflated? The virus is fake? More people die in 2 months of something else, than COVID has taken? What's the basis?

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough. I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess... Overreacting is putting it mildly... That's the mindset that will get people killed. The time to react is a month ago. We should have been hunkering down then. If we all did, then this thing would have had a fair chance of dying out by now. Instead we are at least one order of magnitude worse off (amount of spread) than we were. It will keep spreading unchecked unless we limit humans contact with each other. I cannot conceive of people's inability to understand these simple concepts. Let's come back to this post in a month. We'll see who's right. Almost 2 weeks. How are we doing? 1 week short of a month. How are we doing? Still overreacting? So. Been 1 month now. Have we over-reacted? I have seen videos from ICU's in Italy. I'm pretty sure every person I saw is now dead. I have seen videos and photos of hospitals in the States, showing so many dead that the bodies are bagged up and stored in offices. f***ing offices. Mass graves being dug for victims in Potters Field, NYC. The thing isn't only a lung disease. It attacks the blood and kidneys. Ventilators are no longer the problem, now we need dialysis machines. So tell me - are we over-reacting yet? How many have to die from this population killer before it's taken seriously by the numb of mind? > 80,000 dead in less than 2 months, Have we over-reacted yet? grep, I don't think that he's going to answer you. You've made your point. He was wrong. A lot of people were wrong about the virus and pandemic. We should move on and do what we can to prevent any more infections. I'm just going to keep at it until the pandemic is over. As a testament to all those who barely have high school educations and yet somehow think they know better than infectious disease specialists.

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough. I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess... Overreacting is putting it mildly... That's the mindset that will get people killed. The time to react is a month ago. We should have been hunkering down then. If we all did, then this thing would have had a fair chance of dying out by now. Instead we are at least one order of magnitude worse off (amount of spread) than we were. It will keep spreading unchecked unless we limit humans contact with each other. I cannot conceive of people's inability to understand these simple concepts. Let's come back to this post in a month. We'll see who's right. Almost 2 weeks. How are we doing? 1 week short of a month. How are we doing? Still overreacting? So. Been 1 month now. Have we over-reacted? I have seen videos from ICU's in Italy. I'm pretty sure every person I saw is now dead. I have seen videos and photos of hospitals in the States, showing so many dead that the bodies are bagged up and stored in offices. f***ing offices. Mass graves being dug for victims in Potters Field, NYC. The thing isn't only a lung disease. It attacks the blood and kidneys. Ventilators are no longer the problem, now we need dialysis machines. So tell me - are we over-reacting yet? How many have to die from this population killer before it's taken seriously by the numb of mind? > 80,000 dead in less than 2 months, Have we over-reacted yet?

Cream Mark II ?

Which ones are the Covidiots exactly? The ones who'd protect themselves and others/ Or the ones who want to walk around mask-free and superspreading? sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous adjective making a show of being morally superior to other people. Discussing a thing does not mean that a show is being made of that discussion. It's just a discussion. Questions are a good thing. Promotes understanding. dis·in·gen·u·ous adjective not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does :P Yeah, playing dumb can be an effective tool at times. ;) When you are close, let the enemy think you are far. When you are far, let the enemy think you are close. Sun Tzu? Approaching discussion as if war, leads to battle. Learning from discussion is more valuable than winning one. It's all goal oriented. If you're having a conversation there are ways to conduct yourself to get as much out of it as possible, given the goal. ;)

Which ones are the Covidiots exactly? The ones who'd protect themselves and others/ Or the ones who want to walk around mask-free and superspreading? sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous adjective making a show of being morally superior to other people. Discussing a thing does not mean that a show is being made of that discussion. It's just a discussion. Questions are a good thing. Promotes understanding. dis·in·gen·u·ous adjective not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does :P Yeah, playing dumb can be an effective tool at times. ;) When you are close, let the enemy think you are far. When you are far, let the enemy think you are close.

Which ones are the Covidiots exactly? The ones who'd protect themselves and others/ Or the ones who want to walk around mask-free and superspreading? sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous adjective making a show of being morally superior to other people. Discussing a thing does not mean that a show is being made of that discussion. It's just a discussion. Questions are a good thing. Promotes understanding.

I find this to be true of Phish. Phish is all about the shows and jams. The albums are just a starting point for ideas, IMO.

Time to air our grievances.

Lock and Key from the ASOH Laserdisk. It has a nice bottom end. Unlike the studio album it came from....