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dt, I agree, I think the $70-$80 tickets are the first to sell in the secondary market. So when they are sold, the cheapest avail is more. I should have mentioned I was referring to the outrageous prices close to the stage. There are a few prime seats within 15 rows now in the $700 range, a slight price drop. Still a very scary amount of cash to drop on a single show.

I'm looking at 1975 rankings, 30-50th, picking year at random. Seeing names like, Kite, Coody, Casper, Barber, Player, January, Stockton. Not seeing a depth issue. Besides competing against a big list of major 5x+ ++ winners, hall of famers, unlike anything Tiger needed to compete against, there was no depth shortage for Jack. There was no brick wall for Tiger to pierce when he emerged 1997-2002...it was wide open for him. Never coming from behind in final round for a best ever is a very humbling stat. Poor record at Ryder as well. If current era is so deep, take a look at points list 5,6, 7 years ago and check out how many flash in the pans there were. Not seeing much differentiation from 60s, 70s. Lack of legends 1997-2008, big difference. .

Precisely, it took em two months to open up those sections after the sellout. Only a small portion of the side sections went on sale at MSG . Once they added side seats at pru, no longer sellout, and broker tix prices started dropping a bit.

VS!! The overlords finally added side stage seats in NJ! (No seats were avail from "the venue" for months). Still none added at MSG. They are holding onto those like the holy grail!! $500 for any front of stage seats lower bowl within five sections of stage. Anyway... Outdoor shows...It's much different than that in NY. Jones Beach is right on the ocean and the bay, and the wind is usually blowin. Unless you are within 25 rows, the sounds gonna be doing a Dylan (blowin in the wind). Hey, there goes Lifeson's solo, into the bay. I'm guessing in LA you don't have excessive humidity nor Mosquitos. Outdoor shows in NY are far from comfy. We all have natural calamities, just those in LA don't interrupt outdoor shows. Add to that there is zero ambience with no light show, to the point seeing Ged Alex and Neil in broad daylight takes all the magic away. Horrifying actually. I mean they are great to watch, but they might as well be playing at the local repair shop. CMS, you mention a lot of awesome outdoor shows like Kiss, Van Halen,etc. those sure sound like great shows, but those bands usually have opening acts. If so, they play shorter than Rush and can start after sunset. Makes all the difference in half the world.

Led, its ironic you refer to Hemispheres as simple, considering how the band describes the challenges of that recording (I posted some of their comments a little earlier). As you say, its not for everyone. I think he means the lyrics, the music is clearly not simple Color me stunned. Cygnus Bringer of Balance and the Sphere are at the top of their accomplishments lyrically. Awe inspiring. I am with you on FoL, one of my favorite Rush songs. 2112, as great as it is...inspires me to....what....take my life? This ain't Love Shack fellas :) Even for Neil, video Vertigo, Test for OJ, Half the World, Mystic Rhythms, Net Boys Net Girls, I can go on, I'd hate to, he has done far worse than Book II.

We have a beloved ampitheater here in NY right on the ocean,Jones Beach. I HATE IT! Nothing worse than seeing one the finest light shows in rock COMPLETELY ruined by the summer daylight. All ambiance is gone. Price we pay for living near the ocean. I know, tiny violins. When LL Cool Ged visits, he wants to see the great Atlantic also. Its an extra hour one way to see them at MSG and The Pru, but worth every second. .

They have played Far Cry and Natural Science a bunch last 10 years. NS would be awesome, but Far Cry again? Its good, but there is so much material, from all decades, that they have not touched ever or in eons. If Far Cry follows immediately after Prelude, ala Xanaconductor, as the "leak" suggests, that would be BRUTAL. To not be able to reflect nor enjoy the waning moments/ afterimage/ reflection upon such a rare live performance of such an epic would be of major disappointment. Also, if they can bang right into Far Cry...I thought their 70s stuff is very difficult to pull off, wouldnt they need a moment to chill? Far Cry first, that would have some merit, but why, why again?? Is it that much better than the other 200 songs never played live ;)

So sorry for your loss. "Gabriel" is in reference to a long departed pet that was part of our home for nearly 20 years. "Gil" is as well, although he was with us only 14 great years! .

You can win a hundred tournaments and get a nice standing ovation. Win 5 majors and you are a legend. How I eggs adj err ate! Tiger vs Jack is so interesting and unique discussion in the sports world...

Led, its ironic you refer to Hemispheres as simple, considering how the band describes the challenges of that recording (I posted some of their comments a little earlier). As you say, its not for everyone.

Kenny, that's exactly how I experience it! I am so grateful for that effort and their drive to perfect the epic. I listened to Hemis this am and focused of what you said as a bass player, and Geds playing is off the charts! Its ironic that in some respects PeW and MP, both great albums, seem to be what they fought so hard not to do at 2112. PeW amazes me because the short songs are great, yet they still had "some" of that Hemispheres prog juice on JL and NS.

I transcribed some of BTLS for Lorraine, how the band talks about the challenge of recording Hemispheres. Just as the story goes, interesting how TRF Hemispheres chat split into three different pieces...its mostly Ged n Neil... The Hemispheres side of that album was incredibly complex....it was so ambitious, so demanding, so experimental...it was manic, we worked through the nights, no time off...even the short songs are very complex. We tried to lay the (LVS) bed track down in one take, we spent 11 days on that alone. We could not do it, we had to walk away and take a break. We had written material a little beyond us...we knew at the time we were overreaching...we agreed in 1978 we are not doing this again, the epics...the heaviness of Hemispheres made us want to run away from that kind of album... (PeW)...the songs just came together boom boom boom...

It has become essential part of my Rush experience. The way they talk about the overwhelming challenge it was to record Hemispheres, and the multitude of rock star appreciation and support for the influences of that album.

Cygnus Bringer of Balance and The Sphere is the most amazing stretch of music I have heard. Chills 36 years later (for me). Wish I could put it onto words for you 98. They were at their apex creatively. Makes one of my favorite short form Rush songs - Circumstances - seem so....mortal.

Narps I agree Tigers overall win record is impressive. Also impressive you named your son after Jack. As far as how we differentiate the great one with two is mostly majors. We could look at the Players, or Ryder Cup record, but the media goes with majors, like Babe Ruth and home runs. But strictly in majors Jack is slightly ahead, by 4, in victories,,way ahead in 2nd places, 19-6, and top 3 finishes he has tiger nearly doubled 46-24. In Tigers career, if his game was on at a major, he won, always, as the second tier players were not good enough to stop him. When he was off, he never once found a way to win from behind. Huge point to me. When Jack was finishing second or third, there was a large list of mega major winners in his way preventing him from winning. Player, Watson, Palmer Trevino...4 until we get to Tigers nemesis, Phil. And did we ever see Tiger have to maul Phil to win a major? Don't think so. 2002 Bethpage was closest I think, Tiger had that one by 2-3 shots. If that counts, that's the only one I can recall at this late hour ;) The next two major winners in their respective eras are Seve and Floyd, both in Jacks era, and then we get to,the second multiple major champ in Tiger era, Ernie. I believe 2 of Els 4 majors were oustside of the a Woods major run, 1994 US Open, before Tiger was on tour, and the recent British, when Tiger was in his injured/troubled years of non compete. Now in 2015, Tiger has proven he can compete again, and for the first time in his career, he has a gauntlet of major champions deemed to be at or above his level- Rory, Phil and Speith. If he wins more majors, hopefully he will be challenged by more than the course. it hopefully will be exciting and we are blessed to have an opportunity to see Tiger make a run, after all the crap he's been thru.

You are welcome. It's such a pleasure when we focus on Hemispheres. Such a unique and enjoyable album. If you have not seen the Hemispheres portion of Beyond the Lighted Stage, the entire film is actually on you tube, not sure how realistic that is for accessing. (I don't want to copy here and bog down the site with a 2 hour film.) Ged says the beyond us comment at the 51 minute mark of the film, and Hemispheres begins at about the 45 minute mark. I can watch this 10 minute sequence over and over. It's become an essential archive to my favorite album. I think seeing them talk about it will explain what they meant by beyond us. .

Have they not said that they stopped trying to attain the Hemispheres level of music again? That they pushed themselves too hard and they were too burnt out? I recall Ged saying this with respect to both how many dates they were playing a year, and how hard they were pushing themselves in the studio. PeW and MP are great albums, but I will never forget Ged talking so honestly about how they ("tried less hard??") after Hemispheres. What came after, although great, did not have the soaring ambition and intensity of Hemispheres. I never read that. If you can find it and post it here, I would appreciate it. People here can think whatever what want about my fanship, or lack of, but even I could hear in their music that they never reached those heights again. Lorraine, I just watched BTLS during the Hemispheres/ PeW era (dedication to the TRF cause!!) and transcribed the following, mostly from Ged and Neil. Try less hard is not the best choice of words, but I think their comments bears out what a enormous challenge Hemispheres was for them, and then PeW, in their words, boom, boom boom... The Hemispheres side of that album was incredibly complex....it was so ambitious, so demanding, so experimental...it was manic, we worked through the nights, no time off...even the short songs are very complex. We tried to lay the (LVS) bed track down in one take, we spent 11 days on that alone. We could not do it, we had to walk away and take a break. We had written material a little beyond us...we knew at the time we were overreaching...we agreed in 1978 we are not doing this again, the epics...the heaviness of Hemispheres made us want to run away from that kind of album... (PeW)...the songs just came together boom boom boom... .

Sounds a little like Xanaconductor to me. 70s epics dont mix well with post 70s songs, no matter how good they are, but you never know. we will find out SOON! ....now the guy fixing my car knows a princess who once dated....

How about most of the office buildings now have the paper encased in a plastic shell with only a small opening at the bottom. So if the paper is not extended thru the opening one has to reach way up and fumble for the loose paper to pull down. Now I know what gynecologist school must be like.

Have they not said that they stopped trying to attain the Hemispheres level of music again? That they pushed themselves too hard and they were too burnt out? I recall Ged saying this with respect to both how many dates they were playing a year, and how hard they were pushing themselves in the studio. PeW and MP are great albums, but I will never forget Ged talking so honestly about how they ("tried less hard??") after Hemispheres. What came after, although great, did not have the soaring ambition and intensity of Hemispheres. I never read that. If you can find it and post it here, I would appreciate it. People here can think whatever what want about my fanship, or lack of, but even I could hear in their music that they never reached those heights again. On BTLS Ged first talks at Pinkpop how they were touring 250 dates per year and it was just too much. When you have kids its not fair to them... He also speaks a little about how they tried to get LVS down in one bed track but it couldn't be done. How they were killing themselves in the studio to the point they needed to leave England for a week to recharge, which was unheard of in those days. They refer to PeW being a joy to make, because of their refreshed approach to recording. Don't want to say simplified cuz PeW is awesome, but its not as complex as Hemispheres.

That is one thing I will concede on T4E, there aren't enough solos. But the songs are so much better than on CP and most of the previous 7 albums that I don't mind that much. A bad song with a great solo still isn't fun to listen to, and a very good song without a great solo is still very good. I honestly dont hear it. I do hear a lot of very promising opening moments to songs, but then they meander at 30,000 feet. No crescendo, no acceleration, no three piece masterpiece interplaying...And the lyrics for a few of the songs, TFE, Virtuality, net boys net girls, Half the World, Totem, makes me longing for the relationship sappy CP words. And when they invent new ways to play Wheres Waldo (Lifeson) without using the synths to hide his greatness, I'll take the sappy lyrics and three piece dynamo CP every time. Yes CP has its weaker songs, but Driven belongs right alongside Cut, LTTA, Stick and Animate...there is also a lake between sun and moon that has an awesome Who inspired break. But I do like TFE, its still Rush, but did not go down the path they spoke of exploring more when CP came out, which left a bad taste.

Have they not said that they stopped trying to attain the Hemispheres level of music again? That they pushed themselves too hard and they were too burnt out? I recall Ged saying this with respect to both how many dates they were playing a year, and how hard they were pushing themselves in the studio. PeW and MP are great albums, but I will never forget Ged talking so honestly about how they ("tried less hard??") after Hemispheres. What came after, although great, did not have the soaring ambition and intensity of Hemispheres.

Panacea, Bacchus, The Fountain would be tremendous. Panacea vocals are realistic, some of the rest may need instrumental or snips of sampling....with video accompaniment....

This is an excellent point. CP is a notable album for a variety of reasons, and the "restraining of solos" post CP is an excellent and huuuuge point. Not raving about CP solos, just that they were there and good. I understand on VT Alex didn't think it right in consideration of Neil but something glorious reemerged and ended with CP. .

HYF remaster, so that's a no on the new version having a drop c?