Good,bad,andrush Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Help me find them all for the purpose of this, anything outside of 4/4 is odd, even though 3/4 and 6/8 and 12/8 and 6/4 are not normally odd...in this case they are due to the fact that mainstream music rarely goes outside of 4/4 I don't think there any on the first album. Here Again (I haven't heard it in a while) might be in 6/8 or 12/8 I don't remember. A famous one to get us started. Tom Sawyer is in 4/4 with a 7/8 jam in the middle and at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertk Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Subdivisions - 7/8 Xanadu - 7/8, 5/4 and.. I think 2/4 somewhere in there.. could be a 6/4 or a [4/6 + 2/4] YYZ - 5/4 with a couple 4/4 and 2/4 peppered in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good,bad,andrush Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 QUOTE (Gilbertk @ Jan 31 2012, 06:44 PM) Subdivisions - 7/8 Xanadu - 7/8, 5/4 and.. I think 2/4 somewhere in there.. could be a 6/4 or a [4/6 + 2/4] YYZ - 5/4 with a couple 4/4 and 2/4 peppered in That's not all for subdivisions though, I need to listen to it again though. And I'm tpsure there are more in Xanadu. I think we should go album by album. None in the first, correct? Fly By Night begins with Anthem, in 7/8. I need to listen again because I think it changes, so if anyone knows the change post it! If not, we go to the next song, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrismEye Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I'll mention Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres, but I might hurt myself if I tried to chart it out If I count correctly, it starts in 12/8, later jumps from 3/4 to 7/8, then later some 4/4 is mixed into the equation. That's just the prelude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 The first part of Freewill (up to "a planet of playthings...") the Time Sig switches every measure: 4/4, 6/4, 7/4, 6/4, 7/4,6/4,7/4,6/4,8/4,6/4,8/4,6/4,7/4,6/4,7/4,6/4,8/4 Cygnus Book 1 is 2/4 and 4/4 at the start then goes between 6/8 and 5/8 for a bit then settles into 5/4..... And, yes, Hemispheres does begin with 12/8 then it bounces between 3/4, 4/4 and 7/8. One of the things I love about Rush is "Time sig? Who cares?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 You're kidding right? Almost every Rush song has on odd time of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I have about an understanding of time signatures, odd or otherwise, as I do about the off-side rules in football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenken Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (presto123 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:56 AM) You're kidding right? Almost every Rush song has on odd time of some sort. Not even remotely close. Many of their songs are in standard 4/4. One a lot of people dont realize outside of musicians is Superconductor. 7/4 Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. Edited February 1, 2012 by trenken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (trenken @ Feb 1 2012, 09:20 AM) QUOTE (presto123 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:56 AM) You're kidding right? Almost every Rush song has on odd time of some sort. Not even remotely close. Many of their songs are in standard 4/4. One a lot of people dont realize outside of musicians is Superconductor. 7/4 Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. I didn't mean that Literally but it would be probably 70 percent or more. That's the thing about Rush. They have a way of flowing over odd times where they almost don't seem odd. LOL Freeze is three bars of 7/4 followed by two bars of 4/4. It is 6/4 when the vocals first kick in and 5/4 when the heavy guitar and drums come in full swing. Great syncopation in that one. VT is so under-rated just because of the production. Why don't they fix that already? Edited February 1, 2012 by presto123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliFan Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 There's the section in Cygnus X-1 (3:36 to 4:52) which I think has a repeated sequence of three bars in 11/8 then 12/8 then 11/8. And of course Jacob's Ladder alternates between 6/8 and 7/8 in the middle. QUOTE ("trenken")Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. The guitar tab for it on the RTP says 6/4 with a bit of 5/4 every three bars or so, but I can't even begin to work out of that's right or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 QUOTE (ChiliFan @ Feb 1 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE ("trenken")Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. The guitar tab for it on the RTP says 6/4 with a bit of 5/4 every three bars or so, but I can't even begin to work out of that's right or not! Well, the VT songbook has Freeze starting out with 3 measures of 7/4 followed by 2 measures in 4/4 then 6/4 at the start of the verse. Then it goes to 5/4 in the middle of "ru-mor" and then back to 6/4 at "night" then 5/4 and 6/4 until the chorus which is in 4/4. One of my favorites is Kid Gloves which is in 5/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
presto123 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 QUOTE (HowItIs @ Feb 2 2012, 04:06 AM) QUOTE (ChiliFan @ Feb 1 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE ("trenken")Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. The guitar tab for it on the RTP says 6/4 with a bit of 5/4 every three bars or so, but I can't even begin to work out of that's right or not! Well, the VT songbook has Freeze starting out with 3 measures of 7/4 followed by 2 measures in 4/4 then 6/4 at the start of the verse. Then it goes to 5/4 in the middle of "ru-mor" and then back to 6/4 at "night" then 5/4 and 6/4 until the chorus which is in 4/4. One of my favorites is Kid Gloves which is in 5/4 Damn....I nailed it. I am a long time drummer though I'm good at counting but like Neil I usually don't count when I play. I like to feel it. I'll say again if VT had a proper mix/mastering that would be one great record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psionic11 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Losing it. 5/8, 6/8, 4/4 Turn the Page: 6/4, 4/4 Different Strings: some 7/4 Jacobs Ladder: 6/8,7/8, 6/4 5/4 La Villa Strangiato: all over the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE (presto123 @ Feb 2 2012, 02:40 AM) QUOTE (HowItIs @ Feb 2 2012, 04:06 AM) QUOTE (ChiliFan @ Feb 1 2012, 11:15 AM) QUOTE ("trenken")Does anyone know what the time sig is at the beginning of Freeze? I never counted it, but always knew it was odd. Never bothered since it's a little tough to tell what the actual start beat is unless you start to break it down and figure it out. The guitar tab for it on the RTP says 6/4 with a bit of 5/4 every three bars or so, but I can't even begin to work out of that's right or not! Well, the VT songbook has Freeze starting out with 3 measures of 7/4 followed by 2 measures in 4/4 then 6/4 at the start of the verse. Then it goes to 5/4 in the middle of "ru-mor" and then back to 6/4 at "night" then 5/4 and 6/4 until the chorus which is in 4/4. One of my favorites is Kid Gloves which is in 5/4 Damn....I nailed it. I am a long time drummer though I'm good at counting but like Neil I usually don't count when I play. I like to feel it. I'll say again if VT had a proper mix/mastering that would be one great record. Good job! I'm the same way when I drum (I do hand drums and percussion) and it was great to hear Neil talk about how he doesn't count, he just plays it like a melody. You should be proud that you can do the same! QUOTE La Villa Strangiato: all over the place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 QUOTE La Villa Strangiato: all over the place True..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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