Drummerrobin

Surely it's Hope!

And finally... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5QJS3paAo Try playing them all together at the same time for an expericance you'll never forget!

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Yeah right, beacuase that would be so terrible if they knew "too much".... What a load of utter bullshit.

Dude no offence but we are on the Rush forum in the section specifically about Rush. What do you expect the outcome to be?? Bit pointless to compare the two musicians here imo.

I'd love to hear another Rush album with lots of synth. Remember that electronic music technology has come on leaps and bounds since the 80s with so many new styles of music since - e.g. house, trance, jungle, ambient, dubstep, etc. Just imagine the possibilities if Rush were to utilise that kind of technology now! I think it could be some of the most ground breaking stuff they've ever done. It's not as if the keyboards ever really got in way of Ged's bass playing - many Rush fans (myself being one of them) agree that his best bass riffs were written in the GUP-HYF synth period. For me it was when the band started to "strip down" try "going back to thier roots" after HYF, the quality of the songs began to suffer. I think they should have continued push the boundaries technology and genre-wise rather than back down like they did. It seems kind of ironic to me how Peart is still pushing things technology-wise when it comes to his solos but when it comes to the band as whole, they just don't seem to bother any more. Porcupine Tree and Muse are still doing it, so why not Rush?

Open Secrets, Second Nature, Prime Mover, Lock and Key, Turn the Page, Tai Shan (yes you heard correctly!) and High Water - I'd be very happy if they were to play any of these songs in the London show next year. Much as I love Force Ten and The Big Money, I think they have been overplayed on past tours and should make way for any of these other gems from that era. Who's with me!? :madra:

I think possibly - but only if they took it a step or two down key-wise. Even then, Geddy would probably have to change the vocal melodies to accomodate his voice as it is now. That wouldn't bother me though as I think Anthem is far more memorable from an instrumental point of view than a vocal one. I'd also say the same about Bastille Day.

What do think about YYZ as an opener? I personally think it would work great and would really get everyone pumped. In fact I'm quite surprised how overlooked this option seems to have been both from the band (obviously for never doing it) and on here too. So wada ya think?

Geddy is the f***ing man!!!

I love the synth era too - Rush's most underrated work for sure. Though I seem to be in the minority in saying that I'd take PoW and HYF over Signals and GUP any day. The song writing and use of synths is far more effective on the later 2 of the synth albums imo.

QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Jul 8 2012, 10:21 PM)I still think they're purposely trying to reinterpret Rush's songs and write similar Rush style music. What band cites Rush as a major influence and then rips their songs off expecting people to think they're their own? I know, there's nothing clever about it at all. But I'd still consider them to be doing just that unless they themselves acknowledge some of the actual musical ideas being originally by Rush.

QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jul 6 2012, 07:31 AM)QUOTE (Drummerrobin @ Jul 5 2012, 08:28 AM) QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jul 4 2012, 10:50 PM)They're not going to get sued. *rolls eyes* It's not illegal what they're doing, and I like most of it. Even if the drumming is subpar as f**k. Really?? I consider much of that to be blatant plagiarism - e.g. the riff in Heaven Above is almost exactly the same as Caravan! I believe that a case can be made if a certain number of notes in a row are the same and I'm sure there are points on the album where that happens. And don't think that citing Rush as an influence would get them off the hook - if anything, it just clarifies the plagiarism further! Obviously, if they we're covering the songs and just putting their own spin on them, that would be fine. But what they are basically doing is taking Rush's riffs, lyrics etc., selling them as their own and making money off it. Do you think Rush would be cool with that? Somehow, I think not! So? It's not EXACT. Therefore, NOT suable. For them to RIP RUSH OFF, they would LITERALLY have to record a RUSH song, and call it their own. I like them, personally, like I said, even if the drumming is shit. It gives me a glimpse of what Rush could've sounded like if they were different. You guys are all close minded as f**k. No one harps on Porcupine Tree for basically ripping off Pink Floyd in The Voyage. And while i'm ranting, may I add that pretty much EVERY Metal band has ripped off Tony Iommi? Everyone has ripped off Chuck Berry as well, most of all, AC/DC. I don't know man, there are points where it does sound dangerously close to being exact - just listen to the guitar riff in No More Monkey Business. I'm not saying Rush would necessarily sue them, just pointing out that the music is so ridiculously similar at times, they probably could if they chose to. Contrary to what you say, I always try to be as open minded as possible when it comes to discovering new music. But I really don't understand the point of what they are trying to accomplish here musically by using Rush's ideas in the way they are. I'd say the same for most people who rip of other artists without any real thought. And yes Steven Wilson is JUST as guilty on Voyage 34 if not more so - that riff is pretty much lifted straight out of Run Like Hell! One of the reasons why I find that to be one of Wilson's least inspired pieces of work. Fortunately, he hasn't stooped anywhere near that low since!

QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jul 4 2012, 10:50 PM)They're not going to get sued. *rolls eyes* It's not illegal what they're doing, and I like most of it. Even if the drumming is subpar as f**k. Really?? I consider much of that to be blatant plagiarism - e.g. the riff in Heaven Above is almost exactly the same as Caravan! I believe that a case can be made if a certain number of notes in a row are the same and I'm sure there are points on the album where that happens. And don't think that citing Rush as an influence would get them off the hook - if anything, it just clarifies the plagiarism further! Obviously, if they we're covering the songs and just putting their own spin on them, that would be fine. But what they are basically doing is taking Rush's riffs, lyrics etc., selling them as their own and making money off it. Do you think Rush would be cool with that? Somehow, I think not!

Power Windows for me - not even close!

QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Jul 3 2012, 11:35 PM)Yes, because it went over so well with the audience the last time it was played live..... Not! Seems to go down well here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlU6lC_CmY I'd love to here Prime Mover Live And while your at it, bring back Open Secrets and Lock and Key - the latter is just begging to be played live with real strings!!

QUOTE (Steel Rat @ Jul 4 2012, 01:20 AM)Neil's lyrics are beautiful, perhaps his BEST. It is a special challenge to write about such an alien culture, but he does it perfectly. It's such a pleasure to feel like I experienced his journey with him. "The clouds were suddenly parted. For a moment, I could see the patterns of the landscape reaching to the eastern sea. I looked upon a presence spanning forty centuries... I thought of time and distance, the hardships of history, I heard the hope and the horror..." It's so utterly flawless. I can only assume that what Alex and Geddy actually mean is this: that they believe they failed to capture musically what Neil captured lyrically. But I think they sell themselves short, the music - and the song as a whole - moves me to tears every single time. Maybe there's something about the first couple minutes or so that cause people to tune out from boredom before they see it for what it truly is. Maybe I'm just crazy, but Tai Shan sings to me. I'm totally with you there! And though I understand why maybe some might consider the music to be a little cheesy (though to me it's part of the song's appeal), it's really nothing like as bad as many of the songs on Presto/ RTB albums. Just think of Superconductor, Face Up or You Bet Your Life. All that light weight pop-rock from those albums completely out-cheeses Tai Shan and everything else from the synth era albums imo. And not in a good way!

I have no shame in saying that I really like Tai Shan! I find it to be one of the most melodic and atmospheric songs the band has ever written. And I have a question for all the haters - what is it about the song you dislike so much?? I never understood all the criticism hurled at Tai Shan, including the comments from Rush themselves!

Gotta be The Spirit Of Radio - everything that's awesome about Rush summed up in 5 minutes! I don't think I'll ever tire of hearing this song live

QUOTE (OGr8imL84AD8inF8sBlackSedan @ Jun 26 2012, 05:58 AM)Sounds good to me although I'm not a big fan of seeing Alex play keyboards...Last time I can remember seeing him play was on the HYF tour in Time Stand Still when he played them with his face. Alex played keyboards on the last tour too in Time Stand Still. But it's not a particularly hard piano part so I'm sure Geddy could manage it. And I have no doubt that they will play it live - Geddy has said numerous times how he considers it to be a big step forward as a songwriter.

Interested to see what general opinion is. Gotta say I prefer the single version - everything seems to be more clean and defined. I find the album version to be a little too muddy for my liking. The drums especially seem to have far more clarity on the single version. Wadda you guys think?

It's always been the title track for me and it probably always will be. The best song the band's written since Mission imo.

80s Rush over 70s Rush for me easily. I think Permanent Waves was the album where they really found their sweet spot as a band stylistically (improved even further on MP).

Wow I find it interesting that out of all albums, it seems Snakes and Arrows is the one that certainly amongst fans, REALLY has not stood the test of time well at all! I remember when it first came out, people we're going on about it being their best since Moving Pictures etc. It seems general opinions have changed dramatically. I personally have always enjoyed it but not to the point of hyping it like some were at first. However, I do think at the moment that Clockwork Angels is the band's best album since Hold Your Fire (just scraping above Counterparts for me) and I only hope it ages with more grace than Snakes and Arrows did!