savagegrace26

I present you with the "Lorraine Award" for being the best Lorraine on the forum.

Sooner rather than later unfortunately. The end of the road is in sight. And some people will miss having stuff to complain about.

I meant 2014 or 2015. Whatever, I'm sick and loopy right now (not that I'm any different than usual).

Hell with that. I'm not going to order a shirt when I already own most of the material the shirt is made of. Okay, that was weak. I admit it. Here's another one: if they extend the sale to the first of January, would that technically make it a 2015 shirt, or would it remain a 2014 shirt because it was produced in 2014? Okay, I'll stop now. We'll have to consult Savage on this conundrum. Over to you Savage. It doesn't matter. The 2000's and 2010's (let alone 2013 or 2014) aren't distinctive enough to give a sh*t about.

If anyone from Rush really gave a shit about what people outside of our little click thought of them, I think their music may have sounded quite different. I'm sure Alex doesn't give a shit. And that's pretty much what I said. Did you miss the "I'm sure he'd be fine with that"? he's agreeing with you. did you miss...his whole post? I was just making sure. He didn't use :goodone: or :ebert:

"NIN had a completely new sound and feel, but was another one-hit wonder type band for me." I didn't even realize it was you Led. Anyway...NIN isn't a "one-hit wonder"...but you're weird so I guess to you they may as well be... Anyway, I'm sick. Maybe I'm the one who's getting Ebola before the end of the year.

"To me, they're a one-hit wonder band, though I guess that they were hard and heavy when few others were, and that probably had an influence on many artists." Deep Purple was not a one-hit wonder. If you base it on charting singles then you might as well consider Rush a one-hit wonder too with New World Man. Deep Purple actually had two singles reach the Billboard top ten in the US (Smoke on the Water and Hush both peaked at #4) and they have plenty of radio hits such as Highway Star, Space Truckin', Child of Time, Burn, Wild Woman From Tokyo. Listen to their Machine Head album sometime. As far as influence just read this (stolen form Wikipedia): Deep Purple are cited as one of the pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal, along with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.[2][116] The group have influenced a number of rock and metal bands including Metallica,[117] Queen,[118] Aerosmith,[119] Van Halen,[120] Alice in Chains,[121] Pantera,[122] Bon Jovi,[123] Europe,[124] Rush,[125] Motörhead,[126] and many New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands such as Iron Maiden,[127] Judas Priest,[128] and Def Leppard.[129] Iron Maiden's bassist and primary songwriter, Steve Harris, states that his band's "heaviness" was inspired by "Black Sabbath and Deep Purple with a bit of Zeppelin thrown in."[130] In 2000, Deep Purple were ranked number 22 on VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock" programme.[131] In 2011, they received the Innovator Award at the 2011 Classic Rock Awards in London.[18] A Rolling Stone readers' poll in 2012 ranked Made in Japan the sixth best live album of all time.[55] As part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Machine Head (1972), Re-Machined: A Tribute to Deep Purple's Machine Head was released on 25 September 2012.[132] This tribute album features artists such as Iron Maiden, Metallica, Steve Vai, Carlos Santana, Chickenfoot consisting of former Van Halen members Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony, guitarist Joe Satriani and Chad Smith of Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Flaming Lips, Black Label Society, Papa Roach vocalist Jacoby Shaddix, and the supergroup Kings of Chaos featuring Def Leppard vocalist Joe Elliott, Steve Stevens, and former Guns N' Roses members Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum.[132]

"you tell me a ton of shit I already know." I can't read your mind. I don't even know if you have one ;) "I don't actually think not being able to drum as good as neil is a shortcoming." Yes, it is. Anyone who can't drum like Peart is an evolutionary failure ;) "I understand that it's not realistic to think I can be an astronaut or some shit." What you believe is what you are ;) "it's almost like you're deliberately misinterpreting some of my comments because you like to argue so much." Maybe you're just misrepresenting yourself ;) "I always took "natural talent" to mean being, for example, a "born drummer" or something like that, and that just sounds silly to me. there are lots of people with rhythm who might suck at one instrument and kick ass on another." I don't look at it that way and yes it is silly. No one is born knowing how to play the drums. Obviously that particular skill has to be learned but there's a certain natural aptitude necessary to do it very well and it's not limited to a sense of rhythm. "I don't think being musically talented means you have to also be great at writing songs and great at creativity. If someone can play every single rush song but can't write tunes of his own, I'd still say he's talented. and there are plenty of talented musicians who play other people's parts." Yes, but you said better than Rush. To be better than Rush involves creating and crafting great music (as well as songs such as Neurotica and The Speed of Love) in addition to great playing and let's not forget that the members of Rush crafted their own styles of playing over the years in addition to just playing extremely well. As someone else said, Nickelback practices a lot (as do most musicians/bands that have made it) but are they more talented than Rush? Well, that's all subjective. Are the members of Nickelback "natural" musicians? I have no f*cking clue. "I thought you were early 20s (not sure why)" I take that as a compliment I guess because most people here think I'm 13. But I've stated my age a few times. I'm almost 40. Mentally 9. "and you told me that you were on the spectrum" Told you? Yeah, well I joke about stuff. But I have researched Asperger's/Autism pretty heavily. I have never been diagnosed with it (nor have I ever been tested to see) but it's highly likely I'm on the spectrum, whatever that even means anymore. I think most people are on the spectrum to a degree (have you ever seen the list of traits?), but I really think it's also an over-diagnosed "disorder" and people generally just have different personalities. Let's just say I'm not "typical". We're in an era where there has to be a label for everyone so I think a lot of it is b*llshit. I am an artist to a degree and I think creative people in general are more likely to be on the spectrum. I may have it or I may not. I've discussed this with many people and have reflected on my life, so if you want to think I have it fine. I may or may not. You can just call me "eccentric". It doesn't matter what word you use. Officially I have never been tested for it. But I am who I am. I'm well aware of what I do and say here. If possibly having a form of Autism is an excuse to be "dicksucker"...well I'm very well aware of what I do here and how I present myself and how I respond. No excuses are necessary. Everything I say is intentional. If a trait of Autism is lacking self-awareness...well I'm very self-aware.

You forgot patience. I think that is the virtue that truly separates the world class anything from the average anything. Yes, of course. Something I sometimes lack. I think "years of" implies patience but I edited accordingly.

So: "fast learner" = Natural Ability Neil Peart = "fast learner" with Drums (pretty much self-taught) = Natural Drummer (natural ability) Natural Ability + Years of dedicated practice, playing, persistence, and patience = World Class Drummer (applied ability) [thanks to Snyder for the edit] Thanks for the help Bathy :ebert:

So this is pretty much a 24 hour a day job. And $170 per day comes to $7.08 per hour for a 24 hour shift. Not even minimum wage and no overtime pay. Wow.

He said debut after the first album, but I know what you mean. However they did pretty much what they wanted for Fly By Night and Caress of Steel. Well that would just be weird. So is he saying what if Signals was released in 1975? How would people react to that? Would Rush be electronic messiahs and have ushered in the 80's five years earlier? That would really f*ck up the timeline. Or would they have all been locked up in asylum? Or just flat-out failed and pursued their alternate careers as circus performers? Well Neil's natural drumming talent would probably have been recognized and maybe he would've joined another band, maybe OMD. This certainly would make for a good Twilight Zone episode.

So what makes someone become a "fast learner"? Wouldn't that be a natural ability?

I guess I should be grateful I haven't heard any. :codger: You haven't heard of Bruce Springsteen or U2? Your dial-up must be slower than you let on.

I'm sick of being glued to my phone on dates.

Here we go... "it is not a "problem" to me that neil peart can drum better than I can" -> you said: "and it's also a great way of making yourself feel better if you CAN'T do something that a skilled person is doing." Sounded like you perceived it as a problem right there. Could have been me misinterpreting it or you misstating it. Your pick. "aren't you like, 3 or 4 years older than me?" I'm 39 "your pathetic debating style is worse than reb's" I'm not debating. Just telling what I think straight and uncensored. "and I also never said that "naturally talented" people don't have to practice." All that I typed about practicing was in response to this: "neil got where he is today through practicing. I think the "he's a natural!" stuff takes away from people's actual accomplishments. and it's also a great way of making yourself feel better if you CAN'T do something that a skilled person is doing. ---> I was telling you that highly skilled and successful people still do have to practice and apply themselves so saying someone's a "natural" doesn't necessarily have to take away from anyone's accomplishments. A "natural" ability is pretty much a starting point for potentially greater things, but practice and dedication are largely necessary, "I'm pretty sure that if you practice an instrument as much as the guys in rush have, you will be as technically good as them, if not better" No, probably not. Maybe you would be able to emulate their playing to a degree, but they are also gifted creatively as in songwriting, composition, etc. Years of practice enhances and aids that, it doesn't mean anyone can do what they do with practice alone. Musical talent is not limited to practice alone. Perhaps you could play like them but you wouldn't create like them because that's all based on who and where you are in life. Those things can't be emulated or repeated so this is hypothetically nonsensical. "don't try to excuse your own shortcomings with, "hey, he's a natural! I could NEVER do that!" I don't think many people use that as an "excuse". There's quite a few things I'm gifted at but I have no problem saying that I could never have been a great drummer, or a pro football player or an astronaut. I don't perceive those as shortcomings, those just aren't things I ever had the abilities or drive to pursue. There's nothing wrong with not being able to or not having the desire to do something. There's such a thing as being realistic. I am confident enough in the abilities that I do have and what I wish to accomplish with them, and that is more than enough for me. "the guy saying that neil's a naturally born prog rock maestro is wanting to tell ME about reality?" I never ever said that. He had to play and practice for years to get where he is as does anyone with a "natural" ability. Reread my posts. (Edit) I reread for you: me: "And having a "natural" ability doesn't mean you don't have to work or apply yourself to be better at it." me: "You can't necessarily become good at something through practice and perseverance alone (not saying it's impossible) but there is some initial skill or feel (not to mention drive) necessary to build on. "now please argue against some more things I didn't actually say." Likewise. "is there a reason you're such a prick to everyone?" Not everyone. Just those who desire it or wish to perceive it that way. "I know you're on the spectrum" No, you don't know that. "but I don't know any other autistic person who uses it as an excuse to be a dicksucker" No, I don't need to make any excuses to be a dicksucker, I openly let it be known that I enjoy it. "and man, I know I'm pretty argumentative sometimes, and a lot of what I say to people is taken as a putdown or wanting to start a fight or something, but I really f***ing hope I don't come off as a savagegrace-type. I can't think of anyone so forceful and dickheaded about opinions." Well, you started that tone with your condescending "thank you for informing us all that some people are fast learners." Perhaps check yourself to realize why you got the response that you did? "I remember this one time, you said "rush might not be the band" for me because I made a remark about rock n roll not needing to be up its own ass with technicality and showing off chops to be good." If I did say that it was definitely laced with sarcasm. "I also said something about the guys in rush not partying, I'm not sure what I even said, but you took offense to it." Really? What? I don't even know what this means... "STOP TYPING." Too late.

Signals wasn't that out there for an 80's album so it could definitely have been successful and they could've built a successful career from that especially since they wouldn't already have had a fanbase that had expectations for how they think the band should progress. Signals was catchy enough to carve a path of success. It was out there for a Rush album.

If you want to look at as "fast learning" then some people can learn certain particular things faster than others.

And I understand that youre youngish and want to believe that there's nothing you can't do if you really apply yourself but you'll eventually stumble upon something called reality.

And having a "natural" ability doesn't mean you don't have to work or apply yourself to be better at it.

Whether they're literally born with it or not is irrelrvant. But just because someone can learn something quickly doesn't mean they can learn whatever they want to quickly hence "natural" ability. I've always been able to draw pretty well but never had the desire to develop it further. People do have some abilities that others don't. I don't know why that's a problem. It doesn't come down to just being a "fast learner". There's plenty of things I could never do no matter how much I applied myself and the same goes for you. People have their own strengths and weaknesses. It's called being a human being.

This is really one of his more interesting compositions right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljy4p_h6ZIU Even this guy's descriptions reinforces this: This is a beautiful song from the "Vapor Trails" album. This one has it all: snare work, hi-hat accents, various tom beats, complex fills, weird cymbal stuff, traditional grip, etc. It was very hard for me to nail that one and it's far from being perfect. This is the kind of songs asking for a lot of concentration, and I screwed it up many many times before this take.

Vapor Trail, Freeze, Armor & Sword, and Earthshine are pretty damn intricate percussion-wise. I don't think you can describe any of those as "loose". Maybe he has become more subtle but much of his post Gruber work has been very impressive.

That's an insult to the members here, some of whom have tried very hard to be kind to you in spite of the fact that you criticize and label us jerks. Even if you don't like me, I like you. What? I like you as well! You are one of my favorites on this forum! Zumbi. You're my favorite person from Sweden here.

And Sting.