irish_matt

Red Sector A won't get played at Neil always uses the back, electric kit for it. And since he's not using a back kit this tour.... -Matt

It's probably a Vocoder.

http://cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/images/concerts/rush-tulsa-ok-05.08.2015/29.jpg DW9000 kick pedals and a DW5000 hihat.

it looked to me that he was changing after almost every song. matt

He was using single DW9000 pedals on each kick drum. There were a couple of overhead shots and a few of his feet and they were definitely single configuration. It would be pretty redundant to have a double pedal set up as the slave pedal would likely connect to the second kick rim for stability. I was actually a little disappointed in the tone of the second kit. There wasn't as much attack from the toms. It also looked like it was a struggle at times for Neil to play. 20 years of having the ride cymbal more up front took it's toll. Great show in STL Matt

Well, we can see what kit will be used for Closer to the Heart (not Xanadu). the KAT being used for TSOR. Both songs looked to be mentioned in a medley with Natural Science on the video credits. Great looking kit.

I think he uses it for counting the band in. It triggers a signal that only the band hears through their monitors. The little red pad is a Dauz trigger pad. He uses it for many things, effects noises in the likes of Time Stands Still to the electronic snare sample in Vital Signs. He doesn't use it to count in the band. He either clicks his sticks to count in or just speaks the count in.

There will still be some electronics on the kit. The new DW set shows the two pads above the floor toms and the single pad under the KAT midi controller. He will also have the Dauz pad by his snare. I don't see the Shark pedal in the new kit which he would use for the likes of "Witch Hunt" for the cowbell. -Matt

John Good from DW was talking about the new snare and Kit for Neil and made mention of it being for "Their farewell tour or whatever they are calling it". Glad I got my tickets for St.Louis.. it will be my 12yr old son's first concert. I kinda agree that they may yet still play live after this tour but it probably won't be any any sort of one off or festival type shows. Even the one offs require starting the whole machine again and rehearsing. When they did the SARS show about 13 years ago, they rehearsed for about a week and Neil rehearsed for a week prior to that by himself therefore, one gig takes two weeks of their time and that was just a 40 minute set. One offs don't make any sense for the way Rush like to work. I could see more of a 5 night run in each city like Toronto, NYC, Chicago and LA.. they would probably be able to gross almost as much as this current tour as long as fans were willing to travel to them. But again, for Neil, that's time spent away from family which he is more reluctant to do. -M

Yes please. They played it on the Signals tour but dropped it during the European leg. I missed out at my two Birmingham NEC shows.

My mistake... there will of course NOT be a second US leg next year because EVERYBODY hated the setlist and they are only playing the European leg because they put it on sale and pretty much sold it out before anyone knew what they would be playing. I mean, really... the only thing that will put butts on seats is if they play a 45 minute extended version of Jacobs Ladder for the first set, period.

I would say a second North American leg is going to happen. I don't believe it's really cost effective for the band to start everything up again 5 months after the US tour to just play 12-14 shows in Europe. They will still have pre tour rehearsals etc. There is a certain number of shows required for the tour to break even and put it into profit. They will likely announce more US dates after the 1st of the year once this leg of the tour is finished. -Matt

odd feel to it throughout, also a wrong keyboard sample in the middle of the guitar solo.

Anyone got The Big Money from St.Louis? I'd like to hear it again as something was really off, tempo or samples or something....

QUOTE (Don Quixote @ Sep 24 2012, 09:18 AM) I live in the area; I'm wondering if they could have done the show at Peabody Opera House instead. They've played there before (if you have the 2-14-1980 bootleg it's from there) and the sound is a lot better there. The venue they were in is designed for hockey and sounds like it. The Peabody only has a 3500 seat capacity, though I'm sure would have sounded great there. Scottrade looked to had about 10-12K people at it as there were many sections in the upper deck that were blacked out. I would like to have seen them at the new Chaifetz Arean at SLU. Would have been a little more intimate and would have certainly sold it out as it has a 10k capacity.

all the backing vocal samples are triggered using their pedals. Sometimes the vocal is in-bedded with backing guitar and keyboard riffs.

QUOTE (hulkhogan @ Sep 23 2012, 11:35 AM) Yeah I remember that Headlong Flight flub. It seems like I remember another one, too. Maybe it was during The Big Money like you said, I can't remember. I had a bit of trouble hearing the guitar at times. However, I was way off to the side of the stage in section 118. Overall, it was an awesome show. The string section looked kind of goofy rockin out, at first, just because I expected them to just be sitting around like a classical orchestra. I was a few sections by you in 116 and I agree about the guitar, it was a bit muffled at times. Yeah, the orchestra rocking out was funny to see... but they were really into it. I thought it was great that Alex and Geddy went back to play to them as well... since there wasn't an amp stack there, it gave them somewhere else to go. -Matt

QUOTE (MarKo @ Sep 23 2012, 07:31 AM) QUOTE (Don'tMeetInBars @ Sep 23 2012, 03:12 AM)QUOTE (MarKo @ Sep 22 2012, 07:00 AM) During Carnies and Headlong Flight it looks like he's using a guitar tuned to an E chord, which if that is the way they're recorded explains why those songs have a slightly "different" feel... Wow good eye/ear, I checked it out you're totally right! It's interesting how they're triggering whole phrases, not just individual notes from the bass pedals. They can hit it once, it plays, then they're on about their business rather than being tied to the pedalboards. Looking at the sidestage YouTubes it's still amazing to me how they make the pedal 'dance' look so effortless! I'm not 100% on this but I think that all of the triggers are programmed for each song and they get loaded up in between numbers so that the pedals change for each song. Geddy mentioned in an interview once that sometimes the wrong programme gets loaded and samples for other songs come out.....and the fun begins. Other bands like U2 have samples triggered by MIDI so they don't have to manually trigger pedals. At least Rush play the samples "live" as such. I remember seeing one post on this forum by someone who had all the triggers worked out for each song and who triggered them.... Neil also triggers some samples apparently when the other two don't have time etc.... U2 don't use triggers anymore... they actually have a guy under the stage that plays all the keyboard parts. Bono thanked him at a show a few years ago and he was also shown in a trade magazine... pretty cramped looking setup.

There was some ass a few rows behind me at the STL show during the second set kept shouting "turn this shit off". Guess he wasn't a fan of the new album.

I was fine with not hearing Working Man.... TSOR was great.

I thought it was a great show though did anyone notice the odd trainwreak. There was something odd with the timing in Big Money, don't know if they got out of sync with the samples but Neil was noticeably speeding up. Also at the start of Headlong, Neil messed up the basedrum pattern and Ged had to come and help him lock in. Quite a few flubs on Alex's side as well. Clockwork Angels was amazing. Raise our hands as if to fly.. and the lights panned back over the crowd raising their hands as the lights him them. -Matt

QUOTE (opsopcopolis @ Sep 9 2012, 10:56 AM) QUOTE (irish_matt @ Sep 9 2012, 10:35 AM) QUOTE (bootruss @ Sep 9 2012, 05:04 AM) ..they must be using a click, or a led metronome, it would be impossible to get the tempo right without some reference of what tempo the samples were taken. Even if you were 2bpm out that would be escalated by the end of the phrase! Nope, they haven't used a click or metronome in quite some time. This was brought up on threads during the last tour. There's an interview with the monitor guy and he went to great lengths telling how they use no form of click whatsoever. Neil spends about 3-4 weeks rehearsing prior to band rehearsals to get his sense of time for the songs. neil also talks about how he can feel a song being a little to fast or slow and how he adjusts to how the vocal sits in the song on his last dvd.. If it's really true that they don't use a click, that is SERIOUSLY impressive. You kinda need one when using tracks like that, because like what bootruss said, if you're even 1 or 2 bpm off it will be completely out of synch by the end of the line mentioned around the 7.10 mark, no click tracks of any kind. pretty impressive stuff.

QUOTE (bootruss @ Sep 9 2012, 05:04 AM) ..they must be using a click, or a led metronome, it would be impossible to get the tempo right without some reference of what tempo the samples were taken. Even if you were 2bpm out that would be escalated by the end of the phrase! Nope, they haven't used a click or metronome in quite some time. This was brought up on threads during the last tour. There's an interview with the monitor guy and he went to great lengths telling how they use no form of click whatsoever. Neil spends about 3-4 weeks rehearsing prior to band rehearsals to get his sense of time for the songs. neil also talks about how he can feel a song being a little to fast or slow and how he adjusts to how the vocal sits in the song on his last dvd..

Rush have been using 2nd and 3rd guitar tracks in songs for years, same goes for backing vocal samples. The hard part is hitting them at the right tempo as the sample starts. Since they are prerecorded they have a set tempo. Rush no longer use click tracks for reference which makes playing the songs with samples so much harder.

Same here! :-)