Terrapin

Well, as far as I can tell, Neil HAS and IS accomplishing everything he intended as far back as 1980 with "Freewill" and expressing it via "Virtuality" from 1996... He has people questioning, discussing and debating the concepts of religion, faith and/or free will, via his medium: Music and literature. I applaud both his honesty and bravery in remaining true to his beliefs and his sincerity, whilst not hiding behind a cyber persona. An example to us all... Well done Neil. I for one, cannot wait for the new album!

QUOTE (presto123 @ Jan 13 2012, 07:42 AM)QUOTE (GeminiRising79 @ Jan 13 2012, 12:39 AM) QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Jan 12 2012, 11:23 PM)QUOTE (Captain Avatar @ Jan 12 2012, 09:43 PM) QUOTE (Rand @ Jan 12 2012, 08:53 PM) QUOTE (Captain Avatar @ Jan 12 2012, 05:27 PM)"What bothers me is that anytime a Christian speaks his mind, he's told to shut up and suck it up, while no one instructs Neil and others like him to do likewise. " The above is total bullshit. People talk about god and their faith all the time and rarely does anybody call them on it. Every time I watch the tv news the anchors work in a reference to god. If you look back at this thread it was someone complaining about Neil's anti religious views that started the argument. If you want to really be offended watch this: How is it bullshit? You can see it happening here. Just look back through the thread. Why does someone who speaks positively about his faith in God need to be "called on it"? Why does someone's expression of Christian faith bother you so much? Neil's position is not just pro paganism, but also virulently anti-Christian. As per your news anchor analogy, I don't think there would be any outcry if Neil simply spoke positively from a materialist, pagan viewpoint. He's gone beyond that now to where he is effectively calling all Christian Rush fans idiots. And this is where I start pulling away from Rush. There was no bigger fan of Peart than me. He has the right to say and believe anything he wants. Got no problem with it here. But the burr up his colon about this stuff is crossing a line that is just simply unbecoming. The guy can't open his mouth anymore without wading into it and throwing some condescending crack. His tone is increasingly inflammatory, except to those who share his angst. That's fine, its his right. But he is getting close to becoming the Bill Maher of rock. Maher was funny 20 years ago. Now he's just an angry, hateful, ****head. Worse than that, he's not funny. You have nothing to teach anyone Neil. And your apparent agenda is taking alot of fun out of being a Rush fan. Even for many who don't necessarily disagree with you. Excellent post. Obviously spoken from the heart. I wish that Neil was only trolling us here. His mind is genuinely poisoned- and he's on the verge of running the band into the ground with his agenda. You people crack me up. Agenda? Poisoned mind? Really? Neil is ruining the band with his religious views. LOL Leave it to a Rush fan to come to that conclusion. I guess you can always join the Petra message board. In the meantime I'll be enjoying the best Rush record in 20 years. Ha! I thought the trolling part was the funniest bit!

Rushgoober, Please go away and play with your smilies and little squeaky jesus dolls... Nobody else is interested.

"Hopefully them re-recording those will improve them (though there's no improving the lyrics of BU2B" Oh dear, you're STILL going on on about BU2B are you? Will you ever grow up? You're coming across as some kind of lunatic, fundamentalist, NUT. The BU2B lyrics are fantastic. They sum up the life of a child who was brainwashed into believing and worshiping a non-existent deity and then finding his way in the world. I for one, would like to see how the story plays out... Perhaps, Pearts lyrics are challenging you to think for yourself? Is this why you go on and on and on? Get a grip mate, go to church, worship, or whatever it is you do... BU2B is an awesome lyric and given your ignorant diatribes, quite relevant :-)

QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Nov 27 2011, 12:48 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Nov 25 2011, 05:57 PM) QUOTE (rushgoober @ Nov 24 2011, 02:23 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Nov 23 2011, 03:20 PM) I really can't believe that some people on this forum are STILL harping on about Peart's lyrics. OK, He doesn't like religion, He is not a "believer" His lyrics are always in the First Person. Peart hates organized religion. So do I, as do many other people in this world. However, we are accepting of the "Faithful" we tolerate their beliefs and simply get on with life... Not so the religious unfortunately, their "faith" clouds their judgement and opinions due to their subsequent brainwashing. To the the degree that they can't like a song due to the writer expressing his OWN opinions regarding said religious beliefs... BU2B and Caravan rock.. Clockwork Angels will be immense. Oh please - believers are intolerant and non-believers are tolerant? Both sides have plenty of intolerance to go around. You don't seem very tolerant of people who don't like the lyrics because of their beliefs. No one is saying he can't have his beliefs (or lack thereof) and express them in his songs. It doesn't mean we have to like them. Personally, I don't like preachiness on either side of the equation. Do me a favor, It's you and those of your ilk that do all the "preaching" Peart's lyrics are reactionary; appertaining specifically to RELIGION. Surely, even somebody with limited intelligence, can understand this. The "non-believers" in this world don't preach. They react. Your problem is that you like Rush, you enjoy the music, but your religious agenda doesn't allow you to take in Peart's lyrics. Then, you feel the need to preach, as if your condemnation of Peart's lyrics justifies your beliefs... How very sad... Why did you come back? I thought you left. What an unpleasant surprise. Jesus told me to... He works in mysterious ways! ;-)

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Nov 25 2011, 11:48 PM) I like pie. Humble, or crow pie?

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Nov 24 2011, 02:23 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Nov 23 2011, 03:20 PM) I really can't believe that some people on this forum are STILL harping on about Peart's lyrics. OK, He doesn't like religion, He is not a "believer" His lyrics are always in the First Person. Peart hates organized religion. So do I, as do many other people in this world. However, we are accepting of the "Faithful" we tolerate their beliefs and simply get on with life... Not so the religious unfortunately, their "faith" clouds their judgement and opinions due to their subsequent brainwashing. To the the degree that they can't like a song due to the writer expressing his OWN opinions regarding said religious beliefs... BU2B and Caravan rock.. Clockwork Angels will be immense. Oh please - believers are intolerant and non-believers are tolerant? Both sides have plenty of intolerance to go around. You don't seem very tolerant of people who don't like the lyrics because of their beliefs. No one is saying he can't have his beliefs (or lack thereof) and express them in his songs. It doesn't mean we have to like them. Personally, I don't like preachiness on either side of the equation. Do me a favor, It's you and those of your ilk that do all the "preaching" Peart's lyrics are reactionary; appertaining specifically to RELIGION. Surely, even somebody with limited intelligence, can understand this. The "non-believers" in this world don't preach. They react. Your problem is that you like Rush, you enjoy the music, but your religious agenda doesn't allow you to take in Peart's lyrics. Then, you feel the need to preach, as if your condemnation of Peart's lyrics justifies your beliefs... How very sad...

QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Nov 24 2011, 03:26 AM) So, as we all know, Test for Echo is one of Rush's worst efforts if not their worst, particularly the lyrics, which everyone here agrees is Neil's worst effort. The question has always been why, particularly coming on the heels of Counterparts, which, obviously, is Rush's best album since Moving Pictures After watching Beyond the Lighted stage for the 1,000 th time it has finally hit me why...Test For Echo is the album where Neil re-learned to play the drums under Freddie Gruber! Of course, drumming took priority and Neil probably put lyrics on the back burner.... Like me, many of you have always wondered why Neil's lyrics are so wrong.....and I think I have discovered one possible reason. So the next time you're listening to Virtuality, Half the World, Dog Years, of The Color of Right and are thinking to youself blame the late great Freddie Gruber Do get yourself some help...

I really can't believe that some people on this forum are STILL harping on about Peart's lyrics. OK, He doesn't like religion, He is not a "believer" His lyrics are always in the First Person. Peart hates organized religion. So do I, as do many other people in this world. However, we are accepting of the "Faithful" we tolerate their beliefs and simply get on with life... Not so the religious unfortunately, their "faith" clouds their judgement and opinions due to their subsequent brainwashing. To the the degree that they can't like a song due to the writer expressing his OWN opinions regarding said religious beliefs... BU2B and Caravan rock.. Clockwork Angels will be immense.

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QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Sep 27 2011, 02:39 AM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Sep 26 2011, 09:35 PM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Sep 26 2011, 10:26 PM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Sep 27 2011, 01:37 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Sep 26 2011, 07:30 PM) Oh dear, We really have have some religious nuts here that are ACTUALLY offended by Peart's lyrics... How hilarious! Pretty much sums it up really. Your "faith" is so weak that lyrics from a musician you will never meet can cause SO much vitriol and an irrational, almost deranged sense of defensiveness... Peart states that he is "Faithless" and then the brainwashed cattle start posting en masse. Keep it coming, loving the entertainment! Here's one: "A terrapin walks into a church full of "Believers"... Terrapin, welcome to the board. You're new here (or, maybe not so new), so here are the ground rules as far as religious discussion: Discussion of politics and religion is not permitted outside of Sense O'Clock News, our politics section. Any discussion of Neil's lyrics in the Rush section that pertain to religion should focus on his lyrics, not about YOUR personal religious beliefs. So, now you know. So far you seem to be getting off on telling people their beliefs are wrong, and if that's why you joined here -- to bash the religious folk -- you might want to rethink that. No, 100-0-01010-000 or whatever you call yourself, I do not "Get Off" as you so eloquently put it, on "Bashing" the religious beliefs of others. Perhaps you "Get Off" as a cyber control freak? I have simply responded to the arrogance of various posters, regarding Pearts views on religion, appertaining specifically to degrading posts/comments that have initiated my comments and personal opinions... You really need to read through them, 101001001--010, as your reply was an obvious, knee-jerk reaction. You have my email address, please get in touch... Well, golly! I do have your email address. I could email you, I suppose. But why would I want to do that? Fear of public humiliation maybe? Why wouldn't you? You're a coward...Love the "emoticon" How about telling us your name 100-101010-100-1?

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Sep 27 2011, 01:37 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Sep 26 2011, 07:30 PM) Oh dear, We really have have some religious nuts here that are ACTUALLY offended by Peart's lyrics... How hilarious! Pretty much sums it up really. Your "faith" is so weak that lyrics from a musician you will never meet can cause SO much vitriol and an irrational, almost deranged sense of defensiveness... Peart states that he is "Faithless" and then the brainwashed cattle start posting en masse. Keep it coming, loving the entertainment! Here's one: "A terrapin walks into a church full of "Believers"... Terrapin, welcome to the board. You're new here (or, maybe not so new), so here are the ground rules as far as religious discussion: Discussion of politics and religion is not permitted outside of Sense O'Clock News, our politics section. Any discussion of Neil's lyrics in the Rush section that pertain to religion should focus on his lyrics, not about YOUR personal religious beliefs. So, now you know. So far you seem to be getting off on telling people their beliefs are wrong, and if that's why you joined here -- to bash the religious folk -- you might want to rethink that. No, 100-0-01010-000 or whatever you call yourself, I do not "Get Off" as you so eloquently put it, on "Bashing" the religious beliefs of others. Perhaps you "Get Off" as a cyber control freak? I have simply responded to the arrogance of various posters, regarding Pearts views on religion, appertaining specifically to degrading posts/comments that have initiated my comments and personal opinions... You really need to read through them, 101001001--010, as your reply was an obvious, knee-jerk reaction. You have my email address, please get in touch...

QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Sep 27 2011, 01:35 AM) QUOTE (GUP1771 @ Sep 26 2011, 08:33 PM) Great, a thread that was once discussing Clockwork Angels in a civil matter is going off the rails on a crazy train. Shame, where's 73 with water to put out this flame? http://www.glogster.com/media/5/25/95/5/25950591.jpg Nice rhyme, by the way. "Law" No law here... Just trying to get my head around certain religious ideals...

QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Sep 27 2011, 01:12 AM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Sep 26 2011, 08:09 PM) QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Sep 27 2011, 12:55 AM) You know you're in the wrong when not a single person agrees with or defends you. In what what way "Goober" please "enlighten" me. I'm sure Jesus is watching and frowning upon Peart... Fine, Terrapin. We all get it. Save the religious talk for SOCN. If you ever get in, of course. I wouldn't let you in based on what I've seen of your posting and attitude so far. What? Are you kidding me? That goober thing initiated the religious tone to the thread. I simply responded. HE brought religion into the discussion, appertaining specifically, to his dislike of BU2B due to his religious persuasion. If he is unable to accept comments based upon his highly emotive statements, then he needs to grow up. Simple as that...

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Sep 27 2011, 12:34 AM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 26 2011, 05:27 PM) QUOTE (Terrapin @ Sep 26 2011, 07:48 PM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 21 2011, 01:12 PM) QUOTE (GUP1771 @ Sep 21 2011, 09:02 AM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 21 2011, 06:38 AM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Sep 20 2011, 08:57 PM) QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Sep 20 2011, 08:47 PM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 20 2011, 08:40 PM)QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Sep 20 2011, 08:35 PM) Even though I hate the lyrics to BU2B, I think its an awesome song. Lyrics to me are secondary to the music. If the music is good, then I don't really give the lyrics much thought. I do kind of wish that Neil would move away from the religious subjects since it does offend many people, but at the end of the day the music is what matters the most. JMO. I don't like the music or the lyrics personally, but that's just me. and to me lyrics absolutely matter. If a great musical song is about brutally raping someone, or killing children you would probably feel different. I know that is extreme, but we all have things we would not want filtering though our ears if we find it vile or disturbing or whatever. Good point. I should have said that most of the time I don't mind the lyrics, but there's always the extreme exceptions like you pointed out. Tick, I understand your point if lyrics are gratuitous or sadistic, something which the lyrics of "BU2B" are not. The song is about an idea, one that has been around and debated about for millennia. Do you really find the lyrics of "BU2B" to be vile and disturbing? If so, that's different than lyrics being poorly written. I find Neil Peart's writing these days paints him as a bitter, cynical old man. Its old, its tired and its time to move on to something else. That is if he has anything else to say about...anything? Seriously. His redundant bashing of religion is getting pathetic. Does he really have nothing else relevant to say anymore? and yeah, his views are a joke to me. Vile or disgusting? Maybe not, but tired and worn out. Talk about anything else please! His lyrics on BU2B are something anything 15 year old kid could have written in creative writing class. Something that if they handed it in as homework, they would get a C. If you are going to make a statement like that on your last point, you could at the very least back it up... lyrical excerpt from my song, free Inside the realm of time and space I know somewhere there is a place far from the bitter cold far from the world we know sometimes only the blind can see someone stop to rescue me finding the light of day I found a better way chorus ever you ever thought you've lost a gift could you feel the pain inside oh then you realize its only you, that brings it back to life. link to the song and others... http://www.myspace.com/primeelementrocks Hey Tick, Please, supply us with more of these laugh-a-minute "Lyrics" We've laughed at your previous contribution for several days now and we're getting bored. Please provide us with your latest installment of comedy rhymes! I'm sure God loves your Lyrics and he wants us all to have a good laugh! Wow, is that the best you have? and just who is, "we" My thoughts exactly. That we consists solely of you. It's too bad - with a name like Terrapin, I was hoping you were either a Grateful Dead fan (Terrapin Station) or a Syd Barrett fan (Terrapin) who might be cool, but instead you just seem to be having a troll-like meltdown, putting all your stuff on everyone else and thinking everyone is wrong but you. I'm glad you're entertained by what you're doing/saying, as you seem to be the only one. Well, that's not true, I am finding it very entertaining, but not for the same reasons you are. Anyway, if you want to be a civil, nice person on the board, that'd be cool, but you'd have to turn the way you're handling things here around pretty fast. This is quite eye opening... Go on, tell me how Peart is "Satan" and Jesus will save you... Who needs TV when you have comedy bible bashers... Sorry, ok, ahem... please continue!

QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Sep 27 2011, 12:55 AM) You know you're in the wrong when not a single person agrees with or defends you. In what what way "Goober" please "enlighten" me. I'm sure Jesus is watching and frowning upon Peart...

QUOTE (toscanobarga @ Sep 26 2011, 12:28 AM) A Terrapin, a Tick and a Goober walk into a bar. Barman says "Is this some kind of joke?" Was that the punchline...?

QUOTE (tick @ Sep 21 2011, 01:12 PM) QUOTE (GUP1771 @ Sep 21 2011, 09:02 AM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 21 2011, 06:38 AM) QUOTE (ReRushed @ Sep 20 2011, 08:57 PM) QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Sep 20 2011, 08:47 PM) QUOTE (tick @ Sep 20 2011, 08:40 PM)QUOTE (ColdFireYYZ @ Sep 20 2011, 08:35 PM) Even though I hate the lyrics to BU2B, I think its an awesome song. Lyrics to me are secondary to the music. If the music is good, then I don't really give the lyrics much thought. I do kind of wish that Neil would move away from the religious subjects since it does offend many people, but at the end of the day the music is what matters the most. JMO. I don't like the music or the lyrics personally, but that's just me. and to me lyrics absolutely matter. If a great musical song is about brutally raping someone, or killing children you would probably feel different. I know that is extreme, but we all have things we would not want filtering though our ears if we find it vile or disturbing or whatever. Good point. I should have said that most of the time I don't mind the lyrics, but there's always the extreme exceptions like you pointed out. Tick, I understand your point if lyrics are gratuitous or sadistic, something which the lyrics of "BU2B" are not. The song is about an idea, one that has been around and debated about for millennia. Do you really find the lyrics of "BU2B" to be vile and disturbing? If so, that's different than lyrics being poorly written. I find Neil Peart's writing these days paints him as a bitter, cynical old man. Its old, its tired and its time to move on to something else. That is if he has anything else to say about...anything? Seriously. His redundant bashing of religion is getting pathetic. Does he really have nothing else relevant to say anymore? and yeah, his views are a joke to me. Vile or disgusting? Maybe not, but tired and worn out. Talk about anything else please! His lyrics on BU2B are something anything 15 year old kid could have written in creative writing class. Something that if they handed it in as homework, they would get a C. If you are going to make a statement like that on your last point, you could at the very least back it up... lyrical excerpt from my song, free Inside the realm of time and space I know somewhere there is a place far from the bitter cold far from the world we know sometimes only the blind can see someone stop to rescue me finding the light of day I found a better way chorus ever you ever thought you've lost a gift could you feel the pain inside oh then you realize its only you, that brings it back to life. link to the song and others... http://www.myspace.com/primeelementrocks Hey Tick, Please, supply us with more of these laugh-a-minute "Lyrics" We've laughed at your previous contribution for several days now and we're getting bored. Please provide us with your latest installment of comedy rhymes! I'm sure God loves your Lyrics and he wants us all to have a good laugh!

Oh dear, We really have have some religious nuts here that are ACTUALLY offended by Peart's lyrics... How hilarious! Pretty much sums it up really. Your "faith" is so weak that lyrics from a musician you will never meet can cause SO much vitriol and an irrational, almost deranged sense of defensiveness... Peart states that he is "Faithless" and then the brainwashed cattle start posting en masse. Keep it coming, loving the entertainment! Here's one: "A terrapin walks into a church full of "Believers"...

QUOTE (Cosy Toes @ May 18 2011, 09:07 AM) Oh, Alex is playing guitar, but he isn't playing all the guitars, if you get my drift. No, I don't get your "drift" sweetie, but I get your retreat. I'll ask you again, where is Alex Lifeson miming, which songs? Which parts? OK Far Cry for one. Double tracked guitar part plays, and the "Hemispheres" chord gets played by the drummer. Presto, acoustic part gets played by invisble guitarist under electric bits. Working them Angels has a double tracked Bouzouki bit. And don't get me started on the invisible Keyboard player on TCE... Well ok, Dozy Mo, it would appear that not only are you a hater (for whatever reason) you're also not particularly bright and/or clued up are you? There is a "strange device" on lots of new fangled guitars (you know those bits of wood that Alex holds during gigs?) called piezo pickups. They take the vibration of the strings from the bridge and turn them into (Presto) acoustic sounds! I've used one of these magical things for years and I swear by them... they work really well! As regards keys, they're triggered via MIDI in real time. Thats "Musical Instrument Digital Interface" to you. Invented by an American guy back in the 80's. This "wondrous" new technology allows the band to trigger (engage) the keyboard sounds that were recorded in the studio, so as to allow us (the audience) to both hear and experience a live performance WITH the authentic keyboard sounds. In order to accomplish this feat is an art in itself. If indeed, you have a problem with the concert you attended, I can only suggest that you contact The Rush Quality Assurance Department So, after having your 15 minutes of fame whilst making a complete and utter tool of yourself, will you please take your cosy and multi-colored toes and (with respect), eff off? Thanks!

QUOTE (simeylad @ May 17 2011, 06:24 PM) my pics from the Dublin gig. taken from a long time fan perspective on a cheapo Lumix digi camera. http://www.flickr.com/photos/62955284@N03/...57626611570397/ Wow! Great pics. Thanks for sharing those!! :-))