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I'll still claim Virtuality has an excellent riff...the lyrics, well theyre "sophisticated"

Cmon JR, its :rush:

Eek I did it, selected a synthie with Alex fighting for space. Someone shine the Narps Signal. I could remix Turn the Page into a monster...replace them synths with some Clockwork chords. Either way Geds bass is great there, not buried like it usually is, and another fine Lifeson solo. Its just a stage.

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bangkok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513) 47) Beneath, Between & Behind (TexMike) 48) Distant Early Warning(Surrender74) 49) Ceiling Unlimited (Wil1972) 50) Fly By Night (treeduck) 51) Subdivisions (a rocket that ignites itself) 52) Cold Fire (DirkPrattLerxst) 53) Bastille Day ( Lucas ) 54) The Enemy Within (KW84) 55) Prime Mover (rhyv) 56) Middletown Dreams (wdd2000) 57) Secret Touch (YYZumbi) 58) Out of the Cradle (Union) 59) Digital Man (wdd2000) 60) Kid Gloves (treeduck) 61) Between The Wheels (g under p) 62) Between Sun and Moon (Gabrielgil513) 63) Something For Nothing ( Lucas ) 64) The Pass (a rocket that ignites itself) 65) The Twilight Zone (rushfreak101) 66) Mystic Rhythms(Surrender74) 67) Lock and Key (DirkPrattLerxst) 68) Leave That Thing Alone (Cyclonus X-1) 69) Witch Hunt (treeduck) 70) Afterimage (g under p) 71) Carnies (Wil1972) 72) Open Secrets (Brucey) 73) The Analog Kid (TexMike) 74) Lakeside Park ( Lucas ) 75) Mission (a rocket that ignites itself) 76) Driven (Gabrielgil513) 77) Double Agent (Leave my thing Alone) 78) Different Strings (Rushfreak101) 79) Entre Nous (treeduck) 80) The Color of Right (Cyclonus X-1) 81) Time and Motion (DirkPrattLerxst) 82) Time Stand Still(Surrender74) 83) The Body Electric (g under p) 84) Vapor Trail (Wil1972) 85) Caravan (Bruce) 86) The Weapon (ericimichael1116) 87) Far Cry (a rocket that ignites itself) 88) Before And After ( Lucas ) 89) Marathon (JohnRogers) 90) Madrigal (treeduck) 91) Spindrift (Lorraine) 92) The Main Monkey Business (TexMike) 93) Clockwork Angels(Surrender74) 94) Workin' Them Angels (Cyclonus X-1) 95) Stick It Out (Gabrielgil513) 96) How it Is (Wil1972) 97) The Manhattan Project (g under p) 98) Ghost of a Chance (Brucey) 99) Vital Signs (a rocket that ignites itself) 100) Alien Shore (treeduck) 101) O Barista..er..Baterasta..the drum solo in Rio (Disembodied Spirit) 102) Finding My Way ( Lucas ) 103) Grand Designs (Justus_2112) 104) Red Tide (Lorraine) 105) Lessons (Gabrielgil513) 106) The Larger Bowl (Cyclonus X-1) 107) BU2B (TexMike) 108) Dog Years (JohnRogers) 109) Freeze (Rutlefan) 110) Bravado (a rocket that ignites itself) 111) Broon's Bane (Disembodied Spirit) 112) Making Memories (treeduck) 113) Tears (Lucas) 114) Force Ten (bean-tor) 115) Hope (rhyv) 116) Available Light (Cyclonus X-1) 117) Test For Echo (g under p) 118) Turn the Page (Gabrielgil513)

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bangkok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513) 47) Beneath, Between & Behind (TexMike) 48) Distant Early Warning(Surrender74) 49) Ceiling Unlimited (Wil1972) 50) Fly By Night (treeduck) 51) Subdivisions (a rocket that ignites itself) 52) Cold Fire (DirkPrattLerxst) 53) Bastille Day ( Lucas ) 54) The Enemy Within (KW84) 55) Prime Mover (rhyv) 56) Middletown Dreams (wdd2000) 57) Secret Touch (YYZumbi) 58) Out of the Cradle (Union) 59) Digital Man (wdd2000) 60) Kid Gloves (treeduck) 61) Between The Wheels (g under p) 62) Between Sun and Moon (Gabrielgil513) 63) Something For Nothing ( Lucas ) 64) The Pass (a rocket that ignites itself) 65) The Twilight Zone (rushfreak101) 66) Mystic Rhythms(Surrender74) 67) Lock and Key (DirkPrattLerxst) 68) Leave That Thing Alone (Cyclonus X-1) 69) Witch Hunt (treeduck) 70) Afterimage (g under p) 71) Carnies (Wil1972) 72) Open Secrets (Brucey) 73) The Analog Kid (TexMike) 74) Lakeside Park ( Lucas ) 75) Mission (a rocket that ignites itself) 76) Driven (Gabrielgil513) 77) Double Agent (Leave my thing Alone) 78) Different Strings (Rushfreak101) 79) Entre Nous (treeduck) 80) The Color of Right (Cyclonus X-1) 81) Time and Motion (DirkPrattLerxst) 82) Time Stand Still(Surrender74) 83) The Body Electric (g under p) 84) Vapor Trail (Wil1972) 85) Caravan (Bruce) 86) The Weapon (ericimichael1116) 87) Far Cry (a rocket that ignites itself) 88) Before And After ( Lucas ) 89) Marathon (JohnRogers) 90) Madrigal (treeduck) 91) Spindrift (Lorraine) 92) The Main Monkey Business (TexMike) 93) Clockwork Angels(Surrender74) 94) Workin' Them Angels (Cyclonus X-1) 95) Stick It Out (Gabrielgil513) 96) How it Is (Wil1972) 97) The Manhattan Project (g under p) 98) Ghost of a Chance (Brucey) 99) Vital Signs (a rocket that ignites itself) 100) Alien Shore (treeduck) 101) O Barista..er..Baterasta..the drum solo in Rio (Disembodied Spirit) 102) Finding My Way ( Lucas ) 103) Grand Designs (Justus_2112) 104) Red Tide (Lorraine) 105) Lessons (Gabrielgil513)

Too slow, and will only get slower...can we have the computer autopick after 1 hour?

Where does he say that? ....or was he talking about ANOTHER thread and not THIS thread? He was talking about this thread: http://www.therushfo...is-very-useful/ That thread hasn't had a new post in three years. What's the point of bringing it up? I am bringing this up because this tread is also that. How is that? Because someone is trying to have a little bit of fun? There is no harm in this thread and the OP has no bad intentions. If you don't like that, then you know where you can go

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bangkok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513) 47) Beneath, Between & Behind (TexMike) 48) Distant Early Warning(Surrender74) 49) Ceiling Unlimited (Wil1972) 50) Fly By Night (treeduck) 51) Subdivisions (a rocket that ignites itself) 52) Cold Fire (DirkPrattLerxst) 53) Bastille Day ( Lucas ) 54) The Enemy Within (KW84) 55) Prime Mover (rhyv) 56) Middletown Dreams (wdd2000) 57) Secret Touch (YYZumbi) 58) Out of the Cradle (Union) 59) Digital Man (wdd2000) 60) Kid Gloves (treeduck) 61) Between The Wheels (g under p) 62) Between Sun and Moon (Gabrielgil513) 63) Something For Nothing ( Lucas ) 64) The Pass (a rocket that ignites itself) 65) The Twilight Zone (rushfreak101) 66) Mystic Rhythms(Surrender74) 67) Lock and Key (DirkPrattLerxst) 68) Leave That Thing Alone (Cyclonus X-1) 69) Witch Hunt (treeduck) 70) Afterimage (g under p) 71) Carnies (Wil1972) 72) Open Secrets (Brucey) 73) The Analog Kid (TexMike) 74) Lakeside Park ( Lucas ) 75) Mission (a rocket that ignites itself) 76) Driven (Gabrielgil513 77) Double Agent (Leave my thing Alone) 78) Different Strings (Rushfreak101) 79) Entre Nous (treeduck) 80) The Color of Right (Cyclonus X-1) 81) Time and Motion (DirkPrattLerxst) 82) Time Stand Still(Surrender74) 83) The Body Electric (g under p) 84) Vapor Trail (Wil1972) 85) Caravan (Bruce) 86) The Weapon (ericimichael1116) 87) Far Cry (a rocket that ignites itself) 88) Before And After ( Lucas ) 89) Marathon (JohnRogers) 90) Madrigal (treeduck) 91) Spindrift (Lorraine) 92) The Main Monkey Business (TexMike) 93) Clockwork Angels(Surrender74) 94) Workin' Them Angels (Cyclonus X-1) 95) Stick It Out (Gabrielgil513)

Where does he say that? ....or was he talking about ANOTHER thread and not THIS thread? He was talking about this thread: http://www.therushfo...is-very-useful/ That thread hasn't had a new post in three years. What's the point of bringing it up? I am bringing this up because this tread is also that. This thread is FAR more useful than Zumbis Arbitrary Rush song list thread. I agree individually in doesnt hold much water but very interesting looking at macro-trends and selections per album. Its just one list it can be redone again for fun. Its not like we got much Rush to do, with the band being suspended 32 of the last 36 months.

Who doesn't love The Anarchist, and why would you care what they thought about anything, anyway? I'll bite (sorry for the dog year pun) How about a block of underdog Rush jam- Anarchist Weapon Driven Something for Nothing Jam away!

Permanent Waves off the board at 78. That appears to be the 2nd album off the board. Hemispheres off at #28. Counterparts continues to be a surprising underdog performer, with 6 picks in the top 77. That is the only album after 1983 that can make that claim and Counterparts is still outperforming the synth bedrock, Signals. In fact, CP has more picks thru #77 than t4e, SnA, RtB & Presto *combined*.

Driven still on the board at 75...I'll take that on my team, thats a kick arse song! For that matter if my math correct, the entire t4e catalogue was on the board at 75. More Rush list analytics to be buried or to bore ya, geez I hope my math correct... Post 1990 top performers, by # of compositions- CP 5, VT 5, CA 4 (dint we have movement last yr that CA was one of their top albums, and CP, well the TRF CP haters are legend...ary) Top 75- T4E....-0- SnA.... 1 Appearing in Top 70- CP 5, Signals 3. .

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bangkok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513) 47) Beneath, Between & Behind (TexMike) 48) Distant Early Warning(Surrender74) 49) Ceiling Unlimited (Wil1972) 50) Fly By Night (treeduck) 51) Subdivisions (a rocket that ignites itself) 52) Cold Fire (DirkPrattLerxst) 53) Bastille Day ( Lucas ) 54) The Enemy Within (KW84) 55) Prime Mover (rhyv) 56) Middletown Dreams (wdd2000) 57) Secret Touch (YYZumbi) 58) Out of the Cradle (Union) 59) Digital Man (wdd2000) 60) Kid Gloves (treeduck) 61) Between The Wheels (g under p) 62) Between Sun and Moon (Gabrielgil513) 63) Something For Nothing ( Lucas ) 64) The Pass (a rocket that ignites itself) 65) The Twilight Zone (rushfreak101) 66) Mystic Rhythms(Surrender74) 67) Lock and Key (DirkPrattLerxst) 68) Leave That Thing Alone (Cyclonus X-1) 69) Witch Hunt (treeduck) 70) Afterimage (g under p) 71) Carnies (Wil1972) 72) Open Secrets (Brucey) 73) The Analog Kid (TexMike) 74) Lakeside Park ( Lucas ) 75) Mission (a rocket that ignites itself) 76) Driven (Gabrielgil513) .

Happy birthday!

p/g...Zumbi's rule, we can only pick every tenth song

1) Tai Shan 2) High Water (the unsung hero) 3) Test for Echo 4) Subdivisions 5) Tom Sawyer

Perhaps we can agree the list will have some controversial results, such as the song listed #1, but an interesting analytical for the top 50 songs- % of compositions appearing in top 50 by album (favors albums with fewer compositions)- 1. Hemispheres....100% 2. AFTK............... 83% 3. PeW................ 83% 4. FBN................ 63% 5. MP................. 57% Interesting that the top four albums were completely written, recorded, mastered and produced in the 1970s ;) Really hoping my math is ok. .

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bangkok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513) 47) Beneath, Between & Behind (TexMike) 48) Distant Early Warning(Surrender74) 49) Ceiling Unlimited (Wil1972) 50) Fly By Night (treeduck) 51) Subdivisions (a rocket that ignites itself) 52) Cold Fire (DirkPrattLerxst) 53) Bastille Day ( Lucas ) 54) The Enemy Within (KW84) 55) Prime Mover (rhyv) 56) Middletown Dreams (wdd2000) 57) Secret Touch (YYZumbi) 58) Out of the Cradle (Union) 59) Digital Man (wdd2000) 60) Kid Gloves (treeduck) 61) Between The Wheels (g under p) 62) Between Sun and Moon (Gabrielgil513) .

1) The Fountain Of Lamneth (YYZumbi) 2) The Anarchist (Cyclonus X-1) 3) Spirit Of The Radio(Surrender74) 4) Cygnus X1 Book I (Lucas) 5) La Villa Strangiato (rushfreak101) 6) Cinderella Man (treeduck) 7) Freewill (JohnRogers) 8) Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9) Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 (Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book ll: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513) 12) Emotion Detector (Cyclonus X-1) 13) The Camera Eye (g under p) 14) Jacob's Ladder (bean-tor) 15) The Trees (Disembodied Spirit) 16) Tom Sawyer(Surrender74) 17) The Necromancer (Lucas) 18) A Farewell to Kings (treeduck) 19) Limelight (a rocket that ignites itself) 20) Closer to the heart (Airship2112) 21) Cut To The Chase (GeddyLeeGenes) 22) Armor and Sword (wdd200) 23) Territories (KW84) 24) Red Sector A (YYZumbi) 25) Headlong Flight (g under p) 26) Animate (Cyclonus X-1) 27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) 29) Red Barchetta (treeduck) 30) Bytor and the Snow dog (Airship2112) 31) The Garden (Brucey) 32) Garden Road ( Lucas ) 33) Here Again (Union) 34) Anthem (rushfreak101 35) One Little Victory (Wil1972) 36) Dreamline (a rocket that ignites itself) 37) Earthshine (g under p) 38) The Big Money(Surrender74) 39) You Can't Fight It (ReRushed) 40) YYZ (treeduck) 41 Roll the Bones (DirkPrattLerxst) 42) In The End (rushfreak101) 43) A Passage To Bankok (Lucas) 44) Red Lenses (Union) Seriously, I'm the one who has to pull the Trigger... 45) Losing It (Disembodied Spirit) 46) What You're Doing (gabrielgil513)

So what is it ranking then?? Its a random list of Rush songs starting with FOL. Thats kinda what it is with some individual preferences. I like FOL alot, but I wouldnt call it their best song.So Zumbi did.Thats his flair. We even have Emotion Detector in the top twenty. As a Rush song, I ahem ahem, like it, but its there. Take the hard rock with the synth era with the prog. Thats Rush. As long as the songs each have the member names, I get it, kinda.

Just to make sure Hemispheres is first off the board ;) Well its only four songs. Four. Perfect. Songs. Actually, 3 songs + one instrumental...h/t len(songs) via MrNot

27) Working Man(Surrender74) 28) Circumstances (Gabrielgil513) .

7. Freewill (JohnRogers) 8. Natural Science (a rocket that ignites itself) 9. Xanadu (Brucey) 10) 2112 ( Airship2112) 11) Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres (Gabrielgil513)

These days, once you get 5-7 years experience, the youngies can get almost 90% of the salary. Considering that they tend to jump around much quicker causing higher training costs, not much of a savings. And they know how to play the game now unlike 20+ years ago, with tricks such as putting pics of their gf/wives with bikinis on their desks something that just wasn't done back in the day. I always thought as much as it was the slightly cheaper labor, it was also the middle aged bosses wanting to be cool with the young crowd. As far as adjusting budgets, I know that although came out the other end fortunate with minimal damage. And some youngies that couldnt get employed, those that graduated 08 n 09 many of those got blacklisted by employers. I think thats why Bernie did so well w that demographic.

It's about socialism and how it is the use of force to limit achievement and success. Nah, we got trickle down economics to take care of that When they say trickle they mean it! . It's those who seek to denigrate it that refer to it that way. But Im guessing you probably knew that, applying Occam's Razor to your posting history. In modern American reality its the economic powerhouses that tilt the game, thus the Oaks, not Maples, control the hatchet, Axe, And saw Thus diluting the free market trickle down effect. The Oaks use Force, to quote above, to limit free market opportunity. Something Smith himself worried about. If you wanted more oversimplification ;-) Those who fail are of course going to claim the economy is rigged. The unfortunate thing is that in 2016, most people have failed and are looking for scapegoats. Well luckily I personally did not, but when I got downsized at the height of the recession in '09 I needed a major break to get a decent long term job, and it took years. The nonsense and favoritism that went on with the downsizing process,could fill a thread, I wont bore y'all with that. Seeing employers passing time and time again on folks (me and colleagues) old enough to see Permanent Waves tour in person yet offer jobs to thinly qualified twentysomethings was enough to sour my view of "free" markets. Yet Im extremely grateful for the break I finally got. .