Squier drums!

[mortkort]

http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.088-6004-001

 

Drummers, what do you think of this? Do you think/know its a cheap sounding drum set?

[Soni]

(forgive my ignorance) What makes a good drum anyway?

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 1 2007, 10:41 AM)

http://www.activemusician.com/item--EM.088-6004-001 Drummers, what do you think of this? Do you think/know its a cheap sounding drum set?

Poplar drums are cheap kits. There are ways to make that cheap sound sound better. Mostly, lot's of masking. Using two-ply heads, tuning a little lower, damping....stuff like that. Most people won't know that difference...

This is in the same category as Pearl Forum & Export

[mortkort]

so its a decent drum set? i thought the forum and export drums were above the starter drum set category?

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 2 2007, 02:25 PM)

so its a decent drum set? i thought the forum and export drums were above the starter drum set category?

Nope, both are starter kits....They both are made identical. The Export has slightly better hardware & has more choices in drum sizes as well as color options.

What makes a good drum? Wood. Plain & simple. The right wood that is perfect. DW uses nothing but 100% perfect maple & birch (two standards of the industry).

If you want, I can go more into this.....

[mortkort]

QUOTE (Der Trommler @ Sep 3 2007, 01:15 AM)

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 2 2007, 02:25 PM) so its a decent drum set? i thought the forum and export drums were above the starter drum set category? Nope, both are starter kits....They both are made identical. The Export has slightly better hardware & has more choices in drum sizes as well as color options. What makes a good drum? Wood. Plain & simple. The right wood that is perfect. DW uses nothing but 100% perfect maple & birch (two standards of the industry). If you want, I can go more into this..... that ok, i know that you know a lot abot these things though, thanks for the comment

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 3 2007, 01:54 PM)

QUOTE (Der Trommler @ Sep 3 2007, 01:15 AM) QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 2 2007, 02:25 PM) so its a decent drum set? i thought the forum and export drums were above the starter drum set category? Nope, both are starter kits....They both are made identical. The Export has slightly better hardware & has more choices in drum sizes as well as color options. What makes a good drum? Wood. Plain & simple. The right wood that is perfect. DW uses nothing but 100% perfect maple & birch (two standards of the industry). If you want, I can go more into this..... that ok, i know that you know a lot abot these things though, thanks for the comment Sorry, I was trying to help Sonilink on understanding what makes a good drum with that comment on maple & birch. I'd have to play with the hardware & the tension rods to see how it stacks up against Pearl's but it looks to be in the same ballpark. Price is about the same as well.....

[the masked drummer]

Well if you want a good cheap kit, get the cheapie from pacific. it's called the pacific EZ. Put some good heads on it, tune it up, and it sounds fine for $199. Heck, you can hardly get a good drum throne for under $125, so $199 on drums is dirt cheap. I'll bet the pacifics sound as good or better than that "fender squire" set.

This is the EZ Kit:

 

http://images.wwbw.com/products/thumbs/DW/248084.jpg

Edited September 5, 2007 by the masked drummer

[the masked drummer]

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 3 2007, 12:54 PM)

QUOTE (Der Trommler @ Sep 3 2007, 01:15 AM) QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 2 2007, 02:25 PM) so its a decent drum set? i thought the forum and export drums were above the starter drum set category? Nope, both are starter kits....They both are made identical. The Export has slightly better hardware & has more choices in drum sizes as well as color options. What makes a good drum? Wood. Plain & simple. The right wood that is perfect. DW uses nothing but 100% perfect maple & birch (two standards of the industry). If you want, I can go more into this..... that ok, i know that you know a lot abot these things though, thanks for the comment There are many many things that affect how a drum sounds, including shell construction, bearing edge, head type, tuning.... If you really want to study it, check this out: Drum Tuning Bible

[mortkort]

QUOTE (the masked drummer @ Sep 5 2007, 05:00 PM)

Well if you want a good cheap kit, get the cheapie from pacific. it's called the pacific EZ. Put some good heads on it, tune it up, and it sounds fine for $199. Heck, you can hardly get a good drum throne for under $125, so $199 on drums is dirt cheap. I'll bet the pacifics sound as good or better than that "fender squire" set. This is the EZ Kit: http://images.wwbw.com/products/thumbs/DW/248084.jpg

cool, ill keep that in mind. but im not going to buy a drum set, just thought i could ask the drummers here about the squier drums

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (the masked drummer @ Sep 5 2007, 12:00 PM)

Well if you want a good cheap kit, get the cheapie from pacific. it's called the pacific EZ. Put some good heads on it, tune it up, and it sounds fine for $199. Heck, you can hardly get a good drum throne for under $125, so $199 on drums is dirt cheap. I'll bet the pacifics sound as good or better than that "fender squire" set. This is the EZ Kit: http://images.wwbw.com/products/thumbs/DW/248084.jpg

It really depends on the hardware & grade of wood that makes the difference here. Also, the drum bible is off. The way they tell you to tune is the 'cheat' method. There is a way to tune a drum that gives a bigger 'sweet' spot on the head.

Again, he is correct on many different places but the actual tuning of the drum is essential getting a proper sound. The cheat method is one I use when I am not really in the mood to properly tune the drum.... Go here:

Bob Gatzen is one of the masters at tuning:

http://www.tothestage.com/MediaDetail.Page?MediaId=176

http://www.tothestage.com/MediaDetail.Page?MediaId=177

http://www.tothestage.com/MediaDetail.Page?MediaId=178

http://www.tothestage.com/MediaDetail.Page?MediaId=175

 

What Bob is talking about with tuning here is what was referred to as the 'cheat' method. (start at one point & go diametrically across to the opposing lug & go around in the same direction-like changing a tire)

 

Now, here's the proper method to tune a drum (you'll notice that the patterns changes with the addition of more lugs)

http://www.tothestage.com/upload/evss_tips...6_Vol1_1995.pdf

 

 

Now getting back to the kits at hand....What drumset manufacturer's are you privy to there?

 

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (mortkort @ Sep 5 2007, 02:12 PM)

QUOTE (the masked drummer @ Sep 5 2007, 05:00 PM) Well if you want a good cheap kit, get the cheapie from pacific. it's called the pacific EZ. Put some good heads on it, tune it up, and it sounds fine for $199. Heck, you can hardly get a good drum throne for under $125, so $199 on drums is dirt cheap. I'll bet the pacifics sound as good or better than that "fender squire" set. This is the EZ Kit: http://images.wwbw.com/products/thumbs/DW/248084.jpg cool, ill keep that in mind. but im not going to buy a drum set, just thought i could ask the drummers here about the squier drums I'd stay clear of those kits then.....

[the masked drummer]

Let's end the tuning argument right here. This is the way to go for beginners!

 

http://www.acoustictraditions.com/images/product/vdrums.jpg

[Der Trommler]

QUOTE (the masked drummer @ Sep 6 2007, 08:04 AM)

Let's end the tuning argument right here. This is the way to go for beginners! http://www.acoustictraditions.com/images/product/vdrums.jpg

I'd have to disagree....I mean for a drummer in an apartment (like me), electronics are the savoir for playing. However, I still prefer an acoustic over an electronic...then comes the tuning in those kits as well!!!