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QUOTE (D3strukt @ Dec 10 2011, 12:40 AM) QUOTE (eshine @ Dec 9 2011, 08:59 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Nov 29 2011, 08:12 PM) Lol that guy sounds like shit. What the hell are you people hearing? Sounds like some really old, washed up dated rock singer. Really corny when he growls. How embarrassing. I have a nagging suspicion you are a really crummy singer yourself. Put your money where you very opinionated mouth is and post a link so we can judge your singing as harshly as you judge everyone elses. Stop going around bashing everyone. You're butting heads with opinions. Im not going around bashing everyone. Trenken rips Geddy to absolute shreds - calling his singing garabage, ect - and does so with the arrogance of someone who claims to have an authorative opinion because he himself is a "singer". So my challenge is - back it up. Granted, I shouldn't assume he is a bad singer - but it's been my experience that "musicians" who spend so much time ripping other peoples abilities are generally lacking themselves. I would be happy to be proven wrong. Other then that - I have every right to defend Geddy with the same vigor that you guys have when you shred him. It's not personal - I dont know you.

QUOTE (trenken @ Nov 29 2011, 08:12 PM) Lol that guy sounds like shit. What the hell are you people hearing? Sounds like some really old, washed up dated rock singer. Really corny when he growls. How embarrassing. I have a nagging suspicion you are a really crummy singer yourself. Put your money where you very opinionated mouth is and post a link so we can judge your singing as harshly as you judge everyone elses.

With regards to this "weakest link" talk - A voice like Geddy's, warts and all, is the farthest thing from a "weak link" for any band, let alone one that has been performing live for such a long time.

QUOTE (D3strukt @ Dec 1 2011, 02:16 PM)Okay serious, everyone please just shut the f**k up. ...The longer you take to accept that, the more people are going to shove it down your throat. Uhm, no and no thanks

QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Dec 1 2011, 11:52 PM) QUOTE (StellarJetman @ Dec 1 2011, 10:19 PM) QUOTE (Analog_Bro @ Dec 1 2011, 08:00 PM)Well define "weak link". Wait, you're actually pulling the Clinton "defense"? For real? QUOTE (Analog_Bro @ Dec 1 2011, 08:00 PM)As far as my subjective listening goes everything is still going strong in the band, none of the links are "weak". Well, let's see here: Geddy, Alex, and Neil are all still playing at the top of their game. Geddy's vocal range has decreased. Which of these elements is weaker than the others? Even if you don't think that his voice is weak as a voice, he's still incapable of the kind of stuff that he was doing even as late as Vapor Trails, while all of the band's other aspects are just as strong as they ever were. How do you not get this? Rush fanboys scare and bewilder me in equal measure. People are entitled to like how Geddy's voice sounds now, to enjoy it as much as or more than they've enjoyed any other phase of his craft, and thus not consider it a weak link regardless of how it compares to the way Geddy used to sound. This doesn't make them stupid or wrong, and doesn't make "inarguably different" automatically equate to "objectively worse." People who can't accept that scare and bewilder ME. I watch Time Machine and my reaction is man, listen to how good Geddy Lee sounds singing Rush songs in 2011. Never thought I'd be saying that while watching him struggle through the HYF tour - over 20 years ago.

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 26 2011, 09:11 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Nov 26 2011, 07:35 PM) No, it's not the bottom line. As a fan of the band, I acknowledge and accept that his voice sounds different then it did 30 years ago. I embrace it, quite frankly. But the vocal tragedy being perpetuated is not merited. It's over-the-top and silly. It's as if some fanbois cannot accept that they are aging and use the excuse that they are just "being critical" to hold the guy up to rediculous standards. I would love to see the same standards applied in reverse. The level of criticism here does not jibe with the actual performance. That is the bottom line. You're not reading what I wrote or you're being deliberately obtuse. I'm not comparing him to the way he was 30 years ago. 25 years ago, he wasn't the same as he was 30 years ago. He's not the same as he was six years ago, on R30. The Red Barchetta example is perfect - on R30, you could understand what he was singing. He had more range. He was naturally higher and wasn't forcing himself to hit notes that he knew he could no longer hit. He sounded effortless. There was no cracking, no "hiccups" (a term you keep using but I can't for the life of me figure out what you think it means). His delivery was significantly different on TM. It can't be argued that he does not enunciate the words as well as he used to. It can't be argued that he is singing in a lower pitch than he used to. These are quantifiable statements and are not subjective. You can say he's better now than ever, and that's fine. That's a valid opinion. But the fact is that he is different now. You are a fanboy in denial, unable to accept change. Your R30 example is silly and, for the record, - putting your opinions in bold does not make them quantifiable statements of fact. It does the reverse, quite frankly. You come across as very whiney.

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Nov 26 2011, 08:47 PM) QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 26 2011, 07:21 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Nov 26 2011, 06:48 PM) He sounds better on Time Machine then he did on R30. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. You listen to R30's Red Barchetta then listen to Time Machine's Red Barchetta. You can barely understand half the words on the TM version. The R30 version is not just better, on a scale of 1 to 10, there's at least a 5 point difference between the two. Now I know you're in denial. Agreed....vocally TM is worse... yeah - It's really not, though. He seems more weathered on R30. On TMT - he makes up for any early vocal hiccups with energy, ghutso and some really great performances later on.

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 26 2011, 08:21 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Nov 26 2011, 06:48 PM) He sounds better on Time Machine then he did on R30. Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. You listen to R30's Red Barchetta then listen to Time Machine's Red Barchetta. You can barely understand half the words on the TM version. The R30 version is not just better, on a scale of 1 to 10, there's at least a 5 point difference between the two. Now I know you're in denial. I really don't care if you think I'm in denial. Vocally, the R30 show was lacking more then TMT

No, it's not the bottom line. As a fan of the band, I acknowledge and accept that his voice sounds different then it did 30 years ago. I embrace it, quite frankly. But the vocal tragedy being perpetuated is not merited. It's over-the-top and silly. It's as if some fanbois cannot accept that they are aging and use the excuse that they are just "being critical" to hold the guy up to rediculous standards. I would love to see the same standards applied in reverse. The level of criticism here does not jibe with the actual performance. That is the bottom line.

QUOTE (fledgehog @ Nov 26 2011, 07:27 PM) Geddy's voice has sounded strained and tired in live performance since the early '90s, and has lost its power in the studio since around Vapor Trails. It is impressive that someone his age who has been singing the way he does for so long is able to produce any of the notes he does at all, but that doesn't make it good. I think VT contains some of his best vocal ever - Earthshine is a vocal tour de force.

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Nov 26 2011, 05:48 PM) QUOTE (eshine @ Nov 26 2011, 03:20 PM) The criticism of his voice by certain fans online has become epically absurd, as if a crack here and there is indicative of a man who needs to quit performing. I love my fellow Rush fans, but sometimes it becomes a bit much - the level of absolute perfection we expect from these guys. Many of us would kill to be able to pull off the physical aspect of a show at age 58 as well as Geddy does. I keep hearing comparisons to Waters, Daltry and Plant - not even close. Geddy shreds them vocally - he is easily one of the better vocalists of his generation - proving night after night that he can still bring it. If you're a Rush fan and you're embarressed by the fact that he has a vocal hiccup, heaven forbid, or that he doesn't sound like he did when he was 30 - that's entirely your problem. His performance of Freewill on this tour is a nice middle finger to his detractors If you think the summation of his vocal performance is "a crack here and there" then you are in serious denial. His voice is very, very different from what it used to be. Whether that's good or bad is subjective and up to each listener. But it cannot be denied that he sings very differently than he did even 10 years ago, different even than R30. There is no shame in admitting that the man's singing voice has changed. But you guys who won't admit that his abilities are significantly different have your heads in the sand. You've got your fingers in your ears and you're yelling "NANANANA CAN'T HEAR YOU GEDDY SOUNDS AWESOME". "a crack here and there" is ludicrous. He sounds better on Time Machine then he did on R30. Snakes and Arrows live is a vocal triumph, actually. He sounded amazing that entire tour. Nothing he does now sounds worse then Ceiling Unlimited did over ten years ago. I wish he knew then what he does now - that not all songs are worth "going for it". Gladly, they dropped that tune. No denial or head in the sand here. Ged sounds great on most nights and fantastic on really good nights nowadays. He knows his vocal limitation and isn't embarressed at all to accomodate. What is ludicrous is how embarressed so many of you guys seem to be that he is not perfect for you - all the time. I have never heard of a singer held up to higher expectations then Geddy Lee is right now by a segment of his fanbois - and what frustrates me is how much he actually does bring it - and how that should be celebrated, rather then drag the guy through the mud over a few vocal hiccups.

The criticism of his voice by certain fans online has become epically absurd, as if a crack here and there is indicative of a man who needs to quit performing. I love my fellow Rush fans, but sometimes it becomes a bit much - the level of absolute perfection we expect from these guys. Many of us would kill to be able to pull off the physical aspect of a show at age 58 as well as Geddy does. I keep hearing comparisons to Waters, Daltry and Plant - not even close. Geddy shreds them vocally - he is easily one of the better vocalists of his generation - proving night after night that he can still bring it. If you're a Rush fan and you're embarressed by the fact that he has a vocal hiccup, heaven forbid, or that he doesn't sound like he did when he was 30 - that's entirely your problem. His performance of Freewill on this tour is a nice middle finger to his detractors

This forum is like a collective ass kiss compared to some of the others out there.

QUOTE (tapermike @ Apr 15 2011, 08:25 PM) I HAVE THIS ODD DESIRE TO CORNER NEIL IN A FINE HOTEL AND FORCE HIM TO MEET ME. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK WOULD HAPPEN? How would you feel if some wack-job cornered you in a hotel and forced you to "MEET" him?

Section 213 are decent seats - no need for binocs like skeet said they have great hi def screens going throughout. Bring beer money and a great mood Chicago and Rush are always a great mix - they love the city and we love them - always a lively crowd and a good time - you picked a great place to see your first Rush concert!! Post a review afterwards

Yeah sorry to hear that hope you guys can make it to a a show

His voice sounds splendind on the youtube vids from last nights show.

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Mar 28 2011, 09:41 PM) QUOTE (jmac @ Mar 28 2011, 08:37 AM) If you think Geddy's voice is failing, check out this video of Freewill at the Minnesota state fair at 4:13. Great as it ever was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRcV955WiTA Were you being sarcastic in using this video as an example of great vocals? I mean, there are some decent moments, but some of it was bad, and some of it was really bad. How is any of that bad???? There is an expectation of Geddy to sound like he did durin g the moving pictures tour - and anything other then that is crap. He has a few shakey moments just like any artist - but nothing to the degree that you are suggessting. The last few DVDs find him in terrific voice and perfectly representing their catalogue save for the 70s stuff - and who expects hium to sound like that anyway.The Snakes and Arrows DVD is an amazing vocal performance. The bottom line is - the level of perfection some fans expect from him as a vocalist only goes to show what high regard and expectations Rush fans have for the band. I applaud the Band for even attempting to meet them in 2011

On a bad night, Ged still gives a competent performance On a good night, he still sounds amazing - better then he had in the late eighties earlie nineties that's for sure. Think back to the HYF tour. Can you even imagin him going for it in Freewill, or playing Working Man? 57 or not, the guy still rocks the vocs

This was the last show of the tour on a cold night. A few vocal huccups can be easily forgiven considering the overall consistancy of his performances. He has a great live voice. He actually used to mess up alot more, particularly from the HYF - CP period. His vocals actally sound better today.

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Sep 2 2010, 01:11 AM) QUOTE (eshine @ Sep 2 2010, 01:54 AM) Rusah woul rather see Rushgirl up-front then any of you assholes Thanks for the constructive and mature posts! You're shedding a new light on this topic, and we're grateful for your insight. I see you're a big fan of Rusah Woul too. A very underrated band, IMO. Lyrically they're a little too fixated on Objectivism, and they tend to get a little too jam-bandy in their extended instrumental passages, but they're filling the void left by departed bands like Iran Maden and Dreem Tweeter. What did you think of their new song, "The Spirit of Pirated mp3s"? Oh, hahhhhhaaaa - dude, you are hilarious. The way you just riffed on my typo - that's hysterical !!! Haaa, seriously - good one - I was owned. Dreem Tweeter!!! Iran Maden!!!! The spirit of Pirated MP3s!!!!!! Hahhhha - holy cow, did you come up with that yourself?? Seriously did someone help you with that?? You are HI-LARIOUS!!! Typo riffs are always so funny - but man, Iran Maden - HAHA HA - you have taken it to a whole new level! whooo, lemme catch my breath. God that was funny. You are right, though - my posts should be more constructive and mature. And I do apologize for the typo - your Mom was blowing me at the time. She needs to ease up on the teeth.

QUOTE (daveyt @ Sep 1 2010, 10:06 PM) some people love rush to the point where they must be seen and acknowledged by the band to satisfy their "connection." As if 7000 posts on a messageborad isn't "satisfy ing your connection." Give me a f***ing break. You are no less of a total fanboi then anyone. ASnd the fact is, Rushgirl DOES have a connection with the band. Don't be so jealous.

QUOTE (drgrendel @ Sep 2 2010, 09:05 AM) I will not engage in "person" bashing, but I will make my position known on a few statements I found to be offensive: 1. I work hard for the money to purchase my seats as well. 2. Seats do not come stamped with a .5 designation. 3. Just because one does not voice a complaint, it does not necessarily mean they are happy with invasion. Some food for thought: 1. While luck may be on their side now, eventually such behavior will be meant with some resistance. I am hoping it will not result in painful consequences. 2. If this were to take place next to, in front of, or behind me, I can assure the person's stay at the venue will be short-lived. Dude, you sound like a raging asshole and you probably have a baby dick.

QUOTE (drgrendel @ Aug 16 2010, 04:20 PM) A quick elbow to the correct knee-buckling spot and I think they will get the message. Don't try to be civil and deal with them because it will not work. One shot to the right spot puts 'em on the ground and you just shrug and act all innocent like when security comes by. Worked both times I used this method. Would LOVE to see you try this on me you pansie - I would kick the living SHIT out of you, and if your wife was there I'd bitch-slap her for good measure.