hughes&kettner

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Jul 21 2010, 10:34 AM) QUOTE (hughes&kettner @ Jul 21 2010, 07:32 AM) stay home and whack off to your favorite songs @ home. Newsflash: Just because this is your custom doesn't mean it's everyone else's. nope, just you and that other a-hole necromancer.

QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Jul 20 2010, 02:17 PM) QUOTE (analog guy @ Jul 20 2010, 03:07 PM) QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Jul 20 2010, 01:01 PM) Maybe it's different up in Canada, but in the U.S. "Freewill" is almost never heard on the radio. I have probably heard Freewill played more than any other Rush song on US radio. Even more than Tom Sawyer. Must be a regional thing. I hear Limelight too much as well, to a point where I don't get all that excited about it anymore. I suppose that is the reason for a lot of the setlist angst you see going on here.... any classic rock station in the middle third of the country plays a good chunk of this setlist every day. I'll buy the regional thing. Here in the northeast, we hear the big four on the radio -- "TSOR," "TS," "CTTH" and "Limelight" -- and rarely anything else. what about fly by night as well? we hear that one in the rock n roll capital all the time.

QUOTE (Xanadu93 @ Jul 20 2010, 11:45 PM)QUOTE (tel @ Jul 20 2010, 02:11 PM)QUOTE (RUDT @ Jul 20 2010, 05:32 AM) I am confident that will see a more interesting set list after the completion of the Clockwork Angels. Hope they bring back Armor and Sword... why ?,its the worst song they ever recorded Anagram? Need Some Love? Best I Can? Those seem more like candidates for "worst song they ever recorded". people should really stop saying shit like this. essentially your saying that the entire lindsay lohan album is better than those 3 or 4 rush songs. like that chick "the god of balance" said: 'caress is the worst album ever recorded'...so he hold the paris hilton album and numerous oakridge boys cd's higher than the album that gave us bastille day and the fountain of lamneth...nice! reeeeaal bright!!

QUOTE (Rush Cocky @ Jul 21 2010, 05:59 AM)I must be the only one in this thread who agrees with the original poster. And I haven't smoked or drank one thing..... It's that first set that has me hesitant to go to this show, but I probably will anyway. please don't go. your negative energy will only bring down the energy of the venue that night. stay home and whack off to your favorite songs @ home. OR, wait, wait: smoke and drink something, then don't go!!

QUOTE (duntov1966 @ Jul 20 2010, 12:40 PM)QUOTE (Necromancer23 @ Jul 20 2010, 03:14 AM) Saw both Toronto shows. Was really drunk for the Amphitheatre Show, but really wondered why the next day I couldn't remember anything for the show except Time Stand Still. PS What happened to Jacob's Ladder? Was really looking forward to that one! Please stop this complianing crap In a couple of years when they stop touring then you can be dissapointed. no, no, no, he will not be dissapointed- the necormancer- and all of his other whiny girlfriends(farcyoverspilledmilk and the god of balance for example) will rejoice when rush hangs it up:... "thank god we don';t have to listen to those crappy setlists and hear all those mistakes live anymore. Now we can only focus on hearing really good bands who never make mistakes and play only MY favorite songs live..."

QUOTE (Necromancer23 @ Jul 20 2010, 03:14 AM) Saw both Toronto shows. Was really drunk for the Amphitheatre Show, but really wondered why the next day I couldn't remember anything for the show except Time Stand Still. I was more sober for the 2nd show but I realized then why I didn't remember most of the first show - the first set is totally forgettable. This was my 8th tour and (aside from the Moving Pictures set) for me this was the only tour where a large portion of the show's set list was quite noticeably sub par. Let's review: - The Spirit of Radio - with concerts, I love surprises. I don't want to know anything about a concert before I go to it! I love the thrill of hearing a totally unexpected old classic and then getting right into the groove (Digital Man was like that for me on the last tour). Spirit Of Radio is such an obvious, hackneyed opener. Playing this first is totally blowing your wad in the first 30 seconds. It's opened their shows before, and there was no surprise at all here, considering that unfunny, overlong intro film alluded to it so heavily. (BTW: best concert intro ever - the Thus Spake Zarathustra 2001-ish intro on the Counterparts tour. Spectacular start to a show for a great album!) - Time Stand Still - aRgH! Hold Your Fire would be an unblemished masterpiece were it not for this turkey and Mission, yet we've had to endure BOTH songs on the past 2 tours. Whereas total masterpieces from HYF like Second Nature and High Water have NEVER been played live EVER! - Presto - the one shining star in the pre-intermission first set. Although I wish Alex had been swapping between the Ovation acoustic and the electric guitar as he did in Closer To The Heart during ASOH instead of playing faux acoustic on his electric. I think it would have sounded quite a bit better. Stick It Out - I know where they should stick this one... Workin' Them Angels - of all the songs you could play ... on a retrospective tour ... and they chose THIS????? This song just plain sucks. Can anyone tell really tell me they're still listening to S&A with any regularity since it came out?? Leave That Thing Alone - I wish they HAD left it alone. For me, the least interesting Rush instrumental ever. Faithless - exactly how I was feeling at this point in the show BU2B - not bad - but again .... of all the songs you COULD play .... ??????? Freewill - way too overplayed on too many tours (plus overplayed on the radio)! Marathon - very nice to hear again - but what about all these other gems from PW very few of us have ever heard live? Such as Grand Designs or Middletown Dreams ... if they had done Emotion Detector I would have gone into orbit! Subdivisions - way too overplayed on too many tours! The thing that really disappointed me about this show was how many albums were not represented at all in the entire show, and yet this is a "Time Machine tour" where we're hearing 3 songs from S&A and 2 new singles! That's a full 20% of the entire concert from the 2 newest studio albums of 20 studio albums total! Yet ZERO songs from GUP, TFE or RTB, only tired old Subdivisions from Signals, and only tired old Closer To the Heart from AFTK (even the band said they stopped playing it because they got "sick of it"), We can all argue endlessly about what they should or shouldn't play, and to each his own, but I think I can say one thing for sure: not much imagination went into the song choices. There are SO many songs little or never played live from all previous albums, most any of which would have (if nothing else) piqued my interest for being novel due to being played and heard live for the first time. That's the sort of thing that's sustained my interest at Rush shows over the years - Circumstances did that especially on the last tour. To me, that's a real trip down memory lane - THAT is a time machine. PS What happened to Jacob's Ladder? Was really looking forward to that one! this guy needs an enema or something. i wonder if he went to the show by himself. i pitty the fool who went with this Dbag. yeah, besides BU2B- all those other new songs they could have played...

QUOTE (InvisibleAirwaves13 @ Jul 20 2010, 07:45 AM) QUOTE (Necromancer23 @ Jul 20 2010, 03:14 AM) Saw both Toronto shows. Was really drunk for the Amphitheatre Show, but really wondered why the next day I couldn't remember anything for the show except Time Stand Still. I was more sober for the 2nd show but I realized then why I didn't remember most of the first show - the first set is totally forgettable. This was my 8th tour and (aside from the Moving Pictures set) for me this was the only tour where a large portion of the show's set list was quite noticeably sub par. Let's review: - The Spirit of Radio - with concerts, I love surprises. I don't want to know anything about a concert before I go to it! I love the thrill of hearing a totally unexpected old classic and then getting right into the groove (Digital Man was like that for me on the last tour). Spirit Of Radio is such an obvious, hackneyed opener. Playing this first is totally blowing your wad in the first 30 seconds. It's opened their shows before, and there was no surprise at all here, considering that unfunny, overlong intro film alluded to it so heavily. (BTW: best concert intro ever - the Thus Spake Zarathustra 2001-ish intro on the Counterparts tour. Spectacular start to a show for a great album!) - Time Stand Still - aRgH! Hold Your Fire would be an unblemished masterpiece were it not for this turkey and Mission, yet we've had to endure BOTH songs on the past 2 tours. Whereas total masterpieces from HYF like Second Nature and High Water have NEVER been played live EVER! - Presto - the one shining star in the pre-intermission first set. Although I wish Alex had been swapping between the Ovation acoustic and the electric guitar as he did in Closer To The Heart during ASOH instead of playing faux acoustic on his electric. I think it would have sounded quite a bit better. Stick It Out - I know where they should stick this one... Workin' Them Angels - of all the songs you could play ... on a retrospective tour ... and they chose THIS????? This song just plain sucks. Can anyone tell really tell me they're still listening to S&A with any regularity since it came out?? Leave That Thing Alone - I wish they HAD left it alone. For me, the least interesting Rush instrumental ever. Faithless - exactly how I was feeling at this point in the show BU2B - not bad - but again .... of all the songs you COULD play .... ??????? Freewill - way too overplayed on too many tours (plus overplayed on the radio)! Marathon - very nice to hear again - but what about all these other gems from PW very few of us have ever heard live? Such as Grand Designs or Middletown Dreams ... if they had done Emotion Detector I would have gone into orbit! Subdivisions - way too overplayed on too many tours! The thing that really disappointed me about this show was how many albums were not represented at all in the entire show, and yet this is a "Time Machine tour" where we're hearing 3 songs from S&A and 2 new singles! That's a full 20% of the entire concert from the 2 newest studio albums of 20 studio albums total! Yet ZERO songs from GUP, TFE or RTB, only tired old Subdivisions from Signals, and only tired old Closer To the Heart from AFTK (even the band said they stopped playing it because they got "sick of it"), We can all argue endlessly about what they should or shouldn't play, and to each his own, but I think I can say one thing for sure: not much imagination went into the song choices. There are SO many songs little or never played live from all previous albums, most any of which would have (if nothing else) piqued my interest for being novel due to being played and heard live for the first time. That's the sort of thing that's sustained my interest at Rush shows over the years - Circumstances did that especially on the last tour. To me, that's a real trip down memory lane - THAT is a time machine. PS What happened to Jacob's Ladder? Was really looking forward to that one! I hear Justin Beiber is looking for new fans...might want to jump on over to his wagon...that kid rocks! (note sarcastic tone)... Get over it people and be thankful we are still getting to see the boys live. The setlist is fine.

QUOTE (Some Half-Forgotten Stranger @ Jul 20 2010, 05:28 AM) A few weeks ago when the set lists were revealed I felt the same way, but I got over it....you should too.

QUOTE (RUDT @ Jul 19 2010, 06:15 AM) Here's one explanation from Geddy on why the band stop of doing long songs after "Hemispheres" quote: "They just became too easy to do, a little boring." "We felt like we where just doing the same song over again, just changing the words." The band seems to think that is more of a challenge to make simpler and shorter song. But why the Hemispheres session were so long and difficult? cuz if you mess up recording a 12 or 15 min part, it takes a LONG time to reset and re-do, especailly in the 70's with that technology being kinda slow

i don't think rush has a riff with more simple, raw heaviness than the beginning of BU2B. It reminds me a bit of Black Sabbath... I think it's a very well written and very well played song, both live and studio.

QUOTE (Todem @ Jul 19 2010, 02:53 PM)No doubt they are better live now than in the 80's. Although I have some great boots from the Waves tour and MP tour and what I would give to have seen them then. There was something so very special about those 2 tours. They were truly in their prime right there. Kinda like where Porcupine tree is right now. are you compaing rush to porcupine tree??

QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 19 2010, 09:30 AM)Having seen it live, the reality is that Faithless absolutely drags down the set, interrupts the flow and causes people to flee to the merch and beer stands in droves. I call that an objective observation. Others call it whining. So it goes. "reality" WHAT KNOW YOU OF REALITY??????? yeah, aboot 100 out of 20,000 people went for a beer during that song. great, great, great way to justify your point. dumbass. maybe your meds wore off at that point in the show.

QUOTE (nobodys hero @ Jul 19 2010, 06:31 AM) Faithless is my favorite song from S&A. I'm glad they put it in the setlist.

QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 18 2010, 10:49 PM) QUOTE (Hemispheres89 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:39 PM) I'm not necessarily extremely skilled or proficient on guitar by any stretch of the imagination, but to say Kirk Hammet sucks is surely baffling. I'm not either -- not by a damned sight -- which is why I deleted the message. I sounded like a pretentious wanker and the fact is that Kirk would mop the floor with me eleventy billion times out of eleventy billion times. kirk is not the only one...this 4 year old i heard playing at guitar center last month- he'd do the same to you.

QUOTE (ProfGumby @ Jul 19 2010, 08:33 AM) stand back, its a big one..... *RANT MODE ON!* It is a live show! Live! No studio, no editing, no re dub and no do over! That's it! You get what you get, and it was never meant to be CD perfect!!! THERE WILL BE GLITCHES THERE WILL BE EQUIPMENT SNAFU'S ALEX WILL STRAY FROM THE SOLO HE PLAYED LAST TIME THE BAND DIDN'T ASK YOU WHAT TO PLAY THIS BAND HAS ONE OF THE MOST TECHNICALLY COMPLEX SHOWS I HAVE EVER HEARD OF, YET IT STILL WORKS NEARLY FLAWLESSLY EVERY SHOW DUH! GEDDY'S VOICE CANNOT DO WHAT IT DID 35 FREAKIN YEARS AGO SO WHAT IF THE BAND WANDERS INTO NEW GROUND WITH A SONG? IT IS A LIVE SHOW MAN UP, TURN YOUR PANTS AROUND AND PUT THE ZIPPER IN FRONT WHERE IT BELONGS (men only, obviously) *RANT MODE OFF!* lots of whiners around here aren't gonna like this thread!

QUOTE (farcryoverspilledmilk @ Jul 18 2010, 12:43 PM) QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 18 2010, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (hughes&kettner @ Jul 18 2010, 07:48 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 18 2010, 06:25 AM)"Don't listen to anybody who is negative about the setlist/other parts of the show. This concert was AMAZING, and at no point was it dull or uneventful." Yeah, this is easy for you to say, you've only seen them once before, long after they passed their prime. You dont have anything to compare it to, and never got to see rush at the prime in the 80s. . passed their prime? have you heard them play lately? are you deaf? do you use a lot of hard drugs? it never ceases to amaze me how incredibly moronic some people's comments on this forum are. say what you want about setlists, and whine about the drum solo...but to say that they are past their prime is beyond absurd. seriously: that is the stupidest comment i have ever read on this forum. The guys in Rush are in their late '50s, and they haven't released a gold record in 14 years. Get as bent as you like, but it's not a stupid comment -- it's an honest and accurate one. Rush is past their prime. I still love them and I'm glad they are still touring, but there's nothing wrong with noting that they are no longer pups and no longer sell records by the truck full -- like they did in their PRIME. +1 oohhh! we get to hear from the drum expert!! he who knows more than the professor and his tech!

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jul 18 2010, 12:06 PM) I think it's pretty safe to say, they are well past their prime.......even though they are still amazing live, their performances aren't as exciting as they were 20 odd years ago IMO...... can you give any specific instances? not sure why you are thinking that...

QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 18 2010, 11:58 AM) Anyone who has seen Jimmy Page play over the past 30 years will tell you he's a shell of himself. And I play guitar, pumpkin, and I know enough about music to know you're an hysterical fanboy deep in denial about your favorite band. Only deep in the fever swamps does honesty equal negativity. I would engage you further, but it looks like you're having trouble forming a coherent thought through the spittle you're flecking on your keyboard. "pederass" huh? That's some funny shit right there. Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt. rather be "deep in denial" about rush, than in denial about not being a moron, such as your self. so you've seen page a lot in the last 30 years? you seem to be a fanboy of your self...and that sounds pretty sad, pumpkin. now go practice so you have a chance at not sucking so bad. if you have such a poor opinion of rush why in god's green earth are you here, d-bag?

QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 18 2010, 10:22 AM)QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jul 18 2010, 09:57 AM) QUOTE (moedrabowsky @ Jul 18 2010, 10:52 AM) QUOTE (hughes&kettner @ Jul 18 2010, 07:48 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 18 2010, 06:25 AM)"Don't listen to anybody who is negative about the setlist/other parts of the show. This concert was AMAZING, and at no point was it dull or uneventful." Yeah, this is easy for you to say, you've only seen them once before, long after they passed their prime. You dont have anything to compare it to, and never got to see rush at the prime in the 80s. . passed their prime? have you heard them play lately? are you deaf? do you use a lot of hard drugs? it never ceases to amaze me how incredibly moronic some people's comments on this forum are. say what you want about setlists, and whine about the drum solo...but to say that they are past their prime is beyond absurd. seriously: that is the stupidest comment i have ever read on this forum. The guys in Rush are in their late '50s, and they haven't released a gold record in 14 years. Get as bent as you like, but it's not a stupid comment -- it's an honest and accurate one. Rush is past their prime. I still love them and I'm glad they are still touring, but there's nothing wrong with noting that they are no longer pups and no longer sell records by the truck full -- like they did in their PRIME. If you equate an artist's prime by the amount of records and concert tickets sold you have a point. I believe hughes&kettner is talking about their musical chops, so to speak. I've seen Rush in concert 1981 through 1985, they kicked ass. I've seen Rush from 2004 through 2009. They kicked ass. I'm going to see them later this summer. I'm sure they will kick ass. Oh wait, they don't sell out every venue and don't sell millions of CDs. I guess they're passed their prime as musicians... Of course they are still great PLAYERS. I've seen them since 1984 and they always put on a great show. Lots of guys like Jimmy Page have lost their chops, while guys like Lifeson and Iommi have stayed in form. As relevant artist, yes, they are past their prime. They've only put out three studio albums in 15 years. But this is a semantic argument you're making. No one considers any band that came of age in the 70s in their prime. Well, except for fanboys. well, i'm counting anyone out of a discussion who thinks that jimmy page has lost his chops. yet another moronic post. you think if you went to page's house, sat down and listened to him play, that you'd be anything less than blown away, you : A. know nothing about guitar playing and B. know even less about music. rush was never "relevant"... in the music business sense. moving pictures still sells 15,000 copies a week. i also woner aloud, why so many people are on this forum when they have such negative things to say about rush. and rush's album output was slowed a bit by deaths in the family- remember that fair-weather fan?? took a little time off to stay alive. thriller is one of the best selling albums ever- but MJ was still a pederass and a freak. so i'm not sure why people give a shit about how many albums someone sells. if you don't like their albums, and don't like their sets and think they are old THEN DON'T LISTEN TO THEM AND DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM ON A FREAKING FORUM...

QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 18 2010, 06:25 AM)"Don't listen to anybody who is negative about the setlist/other parts of the show. This concert was AMAZING, and at no point was it dull or uneventful." Yeah, this is easy for you to say, you've only seen them once before, long after they passed their prime. You dont have anything to compare it to, and never got to see rush at the prime in the 80s. . passed their prime? have you heard them play lately? are you deaf? do you use a lot of hard drugs? it never ceases to amaze me how incredibly moronic some people's comments on this forum are. say what you want about setlists, and whine about the drum solo...but to say that they are past their prime is beyond absurd. seriously: that is the stupidest comment i have ever read on this forum.

QUOTE (vital signz @ Jul 16 2010, 08:41 AM)Noticing from photos he's pulled out a Paul Reed Smith guitar on this tour. Anyone know what song(s) he is playing with it???? 2 diffefent prs for big al this time. one for time stand still and one for leave that thing alone.

QUOTE (Mr. Krinkle @ Jul 14 2010, 09:05 AM)QUOTE (trenken @ Jul 14 2010, 08:59 AM) QUOTE (Zanadoo @ Jul 13 2010, 08:48 PM) A lot of people really rip on the Wals. I liked them a lot, and the Steins. Really recognizable sound to them. Not much of any grit either; a really good clean sound. Very twangy sound. It remember seeing the HYF tour and it just didnt have a lot of that deep punch to it that you get with a rick or a fender. Not a great rock bass in my opinion. Definitely much more of a jazzy sound to it, which was his playing/writing style at the time, his bass lines had a lot of jazz influence in them, so that bass fit, but that bass on any of their older heavier songs just did not work for me at all. It somehow sucked the life out of those old songs, made them sound much weaker. Go listen to "Suck My Kiss" from the Red Hot Chili Peppers BSSM album and tell me that Wal that Flea used for that song dosen't have balls. you can't compare the sound of a bass in flea's vs geddy's hands. they produce such a distinctly different tone as individuals (as everyone does really- who is any good anyways)... i love ged's tone live and recorded these days. tons of balls and a great "punch in the face" with high and mid tones. plus, he's pretty good

QUOTE (farcryoverspilledmilk @ Jul 15 2010, 11:32 AM) I work in the industry so I get some info here and there in advance that pertains to Rush and the word is tonight's show on the Plains of Abraham will outdraw Ottawa and Sarnia by a comfortable margin. Is it possible we will see Rush playing to 40? 50? 60,000 people tonight in their home country? The quote I got to that question was "Very possible". If that turns out to be true, then Rush will have played to more people in Canada over the last 3 shows (4 including tonight) than they did in football stadiums in Brazil in 2002 and they still have Air Canada to play on Saturday night. Sarnia - 22,000 Ottawa - 32,200 Toronto - 16,500 Quebec - ? Toronto - ? Very solid numbers. Add in the South America numbers in October and this should be Rush's biggest attended concert tour in 25 years or more given the amount of dates this tour is. thanks for sharing the info!! nice to see all the peeps coming out to see the boys perform. the time machine tour is one HELLUVA show. Sarnia was amazing- they sounded like a well-oiled machine (with heart, soul and emotion obviously ) they were so good, i decided to go to pitts also. i could not wait to hear them until clockwork comes out next year.

nice! keep 'em coming! was at that show. amazing night 4 sure!