trenken

Not sure about T4E. I dont hear a lot of that. I think it's closest to VT than any of their other albums, with some S&A thrown in there. That little folk breakdown section in the title track could have been on S&A, and the prechorus music of 7 Cities is right out of Good News First. Listen to 1:36 of 7 Cities, then intro of Good News, exactly the same, even in the same key.

QUOTE (vital signz @ Jul 1 2012, 11:34 AM) Geddy hits high notes of old. He doesn't actually. The highs in that song arent even close to their old stuff, but they sound higher than they actually are because everything around them is sung low.

I cant see then playing this. This is a typical bathroom break song. Its slow and is the kind of song rush seems to not like to play live.

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QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 30 2012, 12:03 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 30 2012, 12:02 AM) QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 30 2012, 12:00 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 11:55 PM) QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 29 2012, 09:20 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 29 2012, 08:19 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 05:43 AM) On this album they sound like regular stock rock riffs. Nothing really iconic sounding or anything like that. Most of it just sounds jammed out to me and not really slaved over to write amazing riffs. There is not a single part on this album that sounds cool and iconic like 1:35 of Jacobs Ladder. He just doesnt write like that anymore, and it makes me look at this album like it's almost not even Rush, at least not the Rush I loved. They used to sound very unique, Alex played a big role in that, and now they sound kind of like any other rock band out there. The playing itself is fine. I dont need him to be John Petrucci, Alex never was that technical, but I would like some more parts that sound like he didnt just jam them out for 5 minutes then go take a nap. I agree with a lot of this. His guitar playing is average on this album.....definitely nothing iconic about any of it..... WC, you're so negative man. It's borderline funny. Every time I see one of your posts it's negative towards the band, no matter the subject. Even for your signature you choose a quote that blasts the band and how much S&A sucks. Come on man, dig deep! Think about the positive things you like about Rush! What's your favorite song off Clockwork? What is it about that song that you love so much? What do you like about their live performances? You can do it! It's not really being negative, it's just stepping outside of Rush fandom and seeing things as they are. Some Rush fans can love everything they do, which is fine, that's their opinion, and others like him and myself can think about what was great about them, and what's missing now. That's just our opinion on it. Great riffs like Limelight, or that part in Jacobs really take effort to write. They dont just come out in jam sessions. They have to be crafted and slaved over until their perfect. Well these guys are older now. Writing Rush songs isnt the only thing on their mind like it was when they were 26. When you're young nothing else matters. If it takes 2 weeks to come up with 1 great riff then fine, it's worth it, but when you're older you just jam shit out and glue it together to form songs. That's really what I'm hearing on CA. A bunch of average jams with tons of stock riffs just pieced together. If someone else loves it thats fine, that obviously doesnt bother me, but we're just saying what we hear, which is a lot of very average writing and nothing even close to some of the riffs they came up with in the past. Another fine example of your lack of knowledge of RUSH, keep talking, keep putting your foot in your mouth. I will be here all night, bring it on . This guy doesnt know the difference between iconic and stock riffs. Nothing to see here people. Getting under your thin little skin? Lol thin. I know it pisses you off to no end that I know what the f**k Im talking about. Go ahead and keep defending stock riffs and notes Geddy cant hit. All it makes you look like is an aging Rush fan that cant see the forest from the trees. Yep Caravan is a great as Spirit of Radio right? If you think that then good for you. You can think that if you want and talk about it here. But if I dont think that then I have just as much right to say that if I want. You sound like a grumpy bitch to me.

QUOTE (canadianice @ Jun 30 2012, 12:00 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 11:55 PM) QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 29 2012, 09:20 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 29 2012, 08:19 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 05:43 AM) On this album they sound like regular stock rock riffs. Nothing really iconic sounding or anything like that. Most of it just sounds jammed out to me and not really slaved over to write amazing riffs. There is not a single part on this album that sounds cool and iconic like 1:35 of Jacobs Ladder. He just doesnt write like that anymore, and it makes me look at this album like it's almost not even Rush, at least not the Rush I loved. They used to sound very unique, Alex played a big role in that, and now they sound kind of like any other rock band out there. The playing itself is fine. I dont need him to be John Petrucci, Alex never was that technical, but I would like some more parts that sound like he didnt just jam them out for 5 minutes then go take a nap. I agree with a lot of this. His guitar playing is average on this album.....definitely nothing iconic about any of it..... WC, you're so negative man. It's borderline funny. Every time I see one of your posts it's negative towards the band, no matter the subject. Even for your signature you choose a quote that blasts the band and how much S&A sucks. Come on man, dig deep! Think about the positive things you like about Rush! What's your favorite song off Clockwork? What is it about that song that you love so much? What do you like about their live performances? You can do it! It's not really being negative, it's just stepping outside of Rush fandom and seeing things as they are. Some Rush fans can love everything they do, which is fine, that's their opinion, and others like him and myself can think about what was great about them, and what's missing now. That's just our opinion on it. Great riffs like Limelight, or that part in Jacobs really take effort to write. They dont just come out in jam sessions. They have to be crafted and slaved over until their perfect. Well these guys are older now. Writing Rush songs isnt the only thing on their mind like it was when they were 26. When you're young nothing else matters. If it takes 2 weeks to come up with 1 great riff then fine, it's worth it, but when you're older you just jam shit out and glue it together to form songs. That's really what I'm hearing on CA. A bunch of average jams with tons of stock riffs just pieced together. If someone else loves it thats fine, that obviously doesnt bother me, but we're just saying what we hear, which is a lot of very average writing and nothing even close to some of the riffs they came up with in the past. Another fine example of your lack of knowledge of RUSH, keep talking, keep putting your foot in your mouth. I will be here all night, bring it on . This guy doesnt know the difference between iconic and stock riffs. Nothing to see here people.

QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 29 2012, 09:20 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 29 2012, 08:19 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 05:43 AM) On this album they sound like regular stock rock riffs. Nothing really iconic sounding or anything like that. Most of it just sounds jammed out to me and not really slaved over to write amazing riffs. There is not a single part on this album that sounds cool and iconic like 1:35 of Jacobs Ladder. He just doesnt write like that anymore, and it makes me look at this album like it's almost not even Rush, at least not the Rush I loved. They used to sound very unique, Alex played a big role in that, and now they sound kind of like any other rock band out there. The playing itself is fine. I dont need him to be John Petrucci, Alex never was that technical, but I would like some more parts that sound like he didnt just jam them out for 5 minutes then go take a nap. I agree with a lot of this. His guitar playing is average on this album.....definitely nothing iconic about any of it..... WC, you're so negative man. It's borderline funny. Every time I see one of your posts it's negative towards the band, no matter the subject. Even for your signature you choose a quote that blasts the band and how much S&A sucks. Come on man, dig deep! Think about the positive things you like about Rush! What's your favorite song off Clockwork? What is it about that song that you love so much? What do you like about their live performances? You can do it! It's not really being negative, it's just stepping outside of Rush fandom and seeing things as they are. Some Rush fans can love everything they do, which is fine, that's their opinion, and others like him and myself can think about what was great about them, and what's missing now. That's just our opinion on it. Great riffs like Limelight, or that part in Jacobs really take effort to write. They dont just come out in jam sessions. They have to be crafted and slaved over until their perfect. Well these guys are older now. Writing Rush songs isnt the only thing on their mind like it was when they were 26. When you're young nothing else matters. If it takes 2 weeks to come up with 1 great riff then fine, it's worth it, but when you're older you just jam shit out and glue it together to form songs. That's really what I'm hearing on CA. A bunch of average jams with tons of stock riffs just pieced together. If someone else loves it thats fine, that obviously doesnt bother me, but we're just saying what we hear, which is a lot of very average writing and nothing even close to some of the riffs they came up with in the past.

Even though 7 Cities is upbeat and would certainly translate live much better than songs like HE, Garden, but with the highs in it, even though they arent THAT high, are at the top of his current range, I can definitely picture that sounding like a disaster. He struggles to hit notes lower than that on a nightly basis during a tour. If they skip it, it wouldnt surprise me if that was why.

Halo Effect BU2B Wish Them Well The Garden

Many bands have done the alchemy thing before Rush. No big deal to me.

QUOTE (NYM86 @ Jun 25 2012, 08:16 PM) In the End would be great, but for some reason I don't see them thinking all deep into it like that. I think they'll just go with Tom Sawyer. Yeah In The End would be great... if they ever actually planned a final tour, which I can't see them doing. So it would be whatever they happened to have played last at whatever turned out to be their final tour. Cant see them doing a farewell tour, like Kiss has (multiple times). So I dont see there being any big grand celebration ending. It will just end when one doesnt feel like doing it anymore or one gets sick, and they will probably end on one of their old standards like they end most tours. So basically just fade away rather than some big affair during a farewell tour.

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 29 2012, 10:03 AM) QUOTE (snowdogged @ Jun 29 2012, 08:02 AM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 29 2012, 09:40 AM) QUOTE (Shredder2 @ Jun 29 2012, 09:19 AM) I wasn't a fan of Tai Shan myself. Still not. I can honestly say I hate that song, always have, although I do like that album outside of the last 2 songs. It just felt very out of place, and just too silly. I put it in the same group as Rivendell. It's almost embarrassing to listen to in the sense that I will NOT let anyone hear me listening to that in the car. If that comes on and I dont happen to skip it, the windows will be rolled up. What position is your window in when listening to Dog Years in the car? And do you have Power Windows? I dub this the best joke of the day.

QUOTE (Shredder2 @ Jun 29 2012, 09:19 AM) I wasn't a fan of Tai Shan myself. Still not. I can honestly say I hate that song, always have, although I do like that album outside of the last 2 songs. It just felt very out of place, and just too silly. I put it in the same group as Rivendell. It's almost embarrassing to listen to in the sense that I will NOT let anyone hear me listening to that in the car. If that comes on and I dont happen to skip it, the windows will be rolled up.

Hehe that was a good interview. One of the best Ive seen in a while. Honestly at this point we've seen them talk about the same things over and over, it's nice to hear some different stuff. But you know these guys arent a fan of their own band the same way we are when they dont even know what the last songs are on their own albums. I'll bet anything we know their music better than they do. I remember Geddy saying none of the 3 of them listen to their own albums outside of picking songs for tours so I guess we probably do know their albums in an out better than they do.

Albums like Power Windows, HYF, Presto and RTB actually are concept albums, just not written in a story manner. Most of the songs on those albums are related to a central concept spread throughout the album. Not a lot of bands really did that at that time. If any did it, it was about simpler concepts, not ideas like fate/chance, power, instinct... so to me they are rock concept albums, but not progressive at all. To me CA isnt really very different from them, except that it's one linear story. That's the only real difference here to me.

On this album they sound like regular stock rock riffs. Nothing really iconic sounding or anything like that. Most of it just sounds jammed out to me and not really slaved over to write amazing riffs. There is not a single part on this album that sounds cool and iconic like 1:35 of Jacobs Ladder. He just doesnt write like that anymore, and it makes me look at this album like it's almost not even Rush, at least not the Rush I loved. They used to sound very unique, Alex played a big role in that, and now they sound kind of like any other rock band out there. The playing itself is fine. I dont need him to be John Petrucci, Alex never was that technical, but I would like some more parts that sound like he didnt just jam them out for 5 minutes then go take a nap.

Well to me the best Rush albums all had songs with really great iconic choruses. I don't love the chorus of Caravan so it doesn't really feel like a Rush opening song to me. I think the BU2B chorus has a little more of that typical Rush opening song chorus sound to it. It's strong and driving to kick the album off. To me Caravan is stronger in the verses then dies with the chorus a bit.