PariahDog

I think this is probably it, or very close. IIRC, the setlists that were leaked for S&A (after folks had listened in on the venue rehearsals) were pretty accurate. There may be a song or two they didn't play in the rehearsal. Or maybe there will be a couple of A/B songs they didn't play. But I think this is probably pretty close.

QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jun 28 2010, 06:16 PM) I echo the sentiment of many here, I wouldn't have a problem with this setlist if "Jacob's Ladder" was included. I'm glad I haven't been reading the setlist spoilers, until today. I wasn't expecting JL, so I won't be all that dissapointed if they don't play it. Plus, I love JL but am still not sure how it would work live. It would also take up a large chunk of setlist time.

QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jun 28 2010, 06:07 PM) I think Presto has a chance to shine live, and with the more aggressive sound. I was thinking the same thing. Presto could sound great with a slightly heavier treatment like they used on Digital Man and Ghost of a Chance last time out. And I think Faithless could sound HUGE live. SIO and LTTA are the ones I'm least thrilled by, but at least it's something different and not Dreamline, RTB, Between the Wheels, etc.

QUOTE (oldphilly @ Jun 28 2010, 05:49 PM)QUOTE (PariahDog @ Jun 28 2010, 05:03 PM) QUOTE (oldphilly @ Jun 28 2010, 05:01 PM) I may sell my ticket...ugh. need a ticket upgrade fanboi? No thanks, I've got great seats for LV and WA. Seriously, would you sell your ticket over 4-5 songs? Or do you hate the whole setlist?

QUOTE (oldphilly @ Jun 28 2010, 05:01 PM) I may sell my ticket...ugh.

So can we all agree that set two and the encore are pretty excellent? The main gripe seems to be with: Presto Stick It Out Leave That Thing Alone Workin' Them Angels Faithless

QUOTE (Hemispheres89 @ Jun 28 2010, 03:53 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jun 28 2010, 03:45 PM) QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 28 2010, 03:20 PM) QUOTE (shaun3701 @ Jun 28 2010, 01:19 PM) this is NOT the final setlist, everyone chill the f--k out lol do you know this to be a fact? well no, but I have a feeling. "somebody" happened to wander into rehearsal and hear the entire setlist? If if that were true, what they played in rehearsal isn't likely to be the entire setlist in the proper order. Wasn't the issue that someone "snuck in" and read the setlist off a piece of paper? I don't think it was a matter of listening to them play, but that's just what I remember reading off of RIAB and also towards the beginning of this thread. Uh, I don't think anyone is "sneaking in" to the rehearsal. I'm pretty sure fans go out to the venue where they're playing (NM) and listen from the parking lot (or as close as they can get).

QUOTE (cygnus_thegodofbalance @ Jun 28 2010, 02:57 PM)But the first set is so incredibly boring! I guarantee you people will be zoning out like nothing at the show. Especially the casual fans. I dunno, I think this first set has more "hits" and uptempo songs than the S&A first set: S&A 2007: Limelight Digital Man Entre Nous Mission Freewill The Main Monkey Business The Larger Bowl Secret Touch Circumstances Between The Wheels Dreamline TM: The Spirit of Radio Time Stand Still Presto Stick It Out Leave That Thing Alone Workin' Them Angels Faithless BU2B Freewill Marathon Subdivisions The only potential I see for a lull is having WTA and Faithless back-to-back.

QUOTE (OxalisWombo @ Jun 28 2010, 02:51 PM)If you fellas are anything like me, you were immensely excited for Jacob's Ladder. What teases those Rush guys are. Is this why everyone's dissapointed, no JL? Was LVS even on the radar? I would much rather have LVS than JL. JL is a great album track, but I have to wonder how well it would work live.

QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jun 28 2010, 02:49 PM) This went from being possibly the best tour they've done in a LONG time to being the worst one they've done since Hold Your Fire. Which specific songs make you feel that way?

QUOTE (Funky Chicken @ Jun 28 2010, 02:27 PM) Presto is among the nicest surprises on that list. Agreed, there are some great picks in that first set: TSS, Presto, Marathon. SIO and LTTA are a little left-field, but still they're good high-energy live songs. And I think Faithless will sound amazing live, though I'm sure it will be a piss-break song for many TRFers. And only three songs from S&A? Weren't folks around here were having heart attacks because of the chance for 5-6 S&A songs? I do think there may be a couple tunes that weren't played at this soundcheck. Are they doing another soundcheck tonight?

QUOTE (ReRushed @ Jun 24 2010, 05:31 PM)I think with Katy Perry's band it was an in-joke. They probably thought it would be cool to reference and obscure Rush prog rock epic. 99% of the audience probably didn't even catch it. Exactly. I can't believe all the hand-wringing and jaw-clenching over this. Looks like we need the new Rush setlist ASAP.

Whoops, I just realized she also does that "Hot N Cold" song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75mry1LcFg I do kind of hate that song.

Jeez, tough room. It's just a few second snippet at the end of a song, surely nothing to get pissed off about? I doubt if 5% of that crowd even realized that was Rush. I think the Cygnus "teaser" riff is fairly common among musicians. We used to do it occasionally in my cover band along with a teaser TSOR ending. And sure, she's no Christina Aguilera (voice-wise), but Geddy's no Enricho Caruso either. Actually, I'd guess that most younger folks these days can probably relate more to her singing than to Geddy's.

"Yodeling (or yodelling, jodeling) is a form of singing that involves singing an extended note which rapidly and repeatedly changes in pitch from the vocal or chest register (or "chest voice") to the falsetto/head register; making a high-low-high-low sound. This vocal technique is used in many cultures throughout the world." Wikipedia Technically, I don't think he's yodeling. Looks like yodeling is the extended "trilling" when you rapidly alternate between the notes. Geddy is doing more of the Dave Matthews thing, where he slips into falsetto in the middle of a phrase.

QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Jun 16 2010, 04:14 PM) The worst Rush song is still better than standing in line to get a $10.00 light beer while being crushed between people who smell like they haven't bathed in weeks or standing in a puddle of someone else's urine staring at a brick wall in the bathroom.

I'm taking my two-month-old to the Yodeling Jam Band Dope Smoking festival next week.

QUOTE (Rushman14 @ Jun 10 2010, 07:23 PM) QUOTE (trenken @ Jun 10 2010, 05:21 PM) QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 10 2010, 06:47 PM) After several listens to both.... Caravan 6/10 BU2B - 6.5/10 Id give it the same for Caravan, but BU2B is a 7.5 for me. I dont know, it's just more pleasing to my ears. Guess I like that song more than you. Dont like the lyrics much, but the music and melodies work for me. really? a 6 for Caravan is not a bad score. I thought you loathed it. I dunno, 60% is a low D or high F, right?

QUOTE (WCFIELDS @ Jun 10 2010, 06:47 PM) After several listens to both.... Caravan 6/10 BU2B - 6.5/10 For comparison, what was your favorite S&A track and how would you rate it?

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jun 10 2010, 04:51 PM)QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Jun 10 2010, 02:06 PM) Bunch of grumpy-old-man syndrome in evidence around here. I don't think there's a song that Rush could write that would make some people feel like they're listening to Rush in high school again, in most cases it has less to do with the band and more to do with the fact that the listener isn't the same person he/she was decades ago. No way. I hear plenty of music I've never heard before that I get REALLY excited about. Usually that's older music I'm hearing for the first time, but it does happen with new music too sometimes. When I first heard Far Cry, and especially when I first heard Armor & Sword, I was in absolute heaven. Have I changed that much in 3 years? I don't think so. I simply believe Caravan and BU2B aren't in the same league as those songs. Their music over the last 20 years has experienced a sharp drop in album sales and radio play. Yes, the industry has changed, but not to that degree. Their music simply "in general" isn't as accessible and up to the standards it used to be, and the industry reflects this. Obviously us hardcore fans will buy anything new and debate it endlessly, but in the larger world their new music is making almost no impact. Even their recent surge in popularity is due to their longevity and legendary status, but not because of their music from the past 20 years or so. Their recent popularity has hardly made VT or S&A be able to go gold, and it's only because of their existing fanbase that they've done even as well as they have. Clockwork Angels, barring a really accessible hit (doubtful), should suffer the same fate. New fans who discover the band from say the documentary will flock to Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures, etc. - I really doubt many of them will think the newer stuff is as worthy. Most people think their best days were in the 70's and 80's - that's an indisputable fact - not that they truly were the best days as that's subjective, but that most people think they were the best days. The consensus is overwhelming. Does that mean most people are wrong? It's the band. To say the band is as good as they ever were and if people can't see it, it's because of them doesn't make any sense to me. You can say they've evolved, and it's true, but the truth is in general most people don't love what they've evolved into as much as how they were before. This has nothing to do with the fact that we're glad they're still around and making music, it's just how most people feel. I see a lot of people here come up with all kinds of exotic reasons to justify why people have opinions they disagree with. I've done that many times myself. When I first came here I came up with all kinds of ancillary reasons why people would love VT when I didn't because it was incomprehensible to me. The simple truth was some people just loved it no matter how I tried to create extenuating circumstances why they liked it. Similarly, some people just aren't digging the vibe of these two new songs, and that's just the way it is. Believe me, I WANT to be totally gaga over them, but I'm just not. Jeez, looks like somebody struck a nerve. Just kidding. But, seriously, I have been thinking myself that age may be playing some factor in how much folks like the new songs. I'm on my way to being a myself, but as a guitar player I always loved Iron Maiden, Metallica, and later Rage Against the Machine, Soundgarden, etc., so I've never had a problem with heavier music. But the new songs are heavier than anything on S&A (except maybe the bridge of Armor & Sword) so I can see where this may be throwing some folks off. But to me, saying the new songs are "too heavy" is just as strange as saying that S&A was "adult contemporary." I also believe that what some folks really seem to crave is a return to the high-energy, major-key, optimistic Rush era of PeW, MP, PoW, and HYF. The new songs are certainly high-energy, but they're also very dark, with minor-key and chromatic riffs, minor-key vocal melodies, and pretty dark lyrics.

QUOTE (LeaveMyThingAlone @ Jun 10 2010, 11:42 AM)There have been many threads and topics brought up regarding studio time in the past. You say the band needs to spend more money and time on what they're recording and make something really good for the fans. Well, the songs you mention like YYZ and CTTH were done when Rush might spend a couple months in the studio and were popping out albums to the tune of one a year. They weren't overthinking. They just went in and jammed them out Excellent point! According to Wikipedia, Hemispheres took three months to record while Vapor Trails took eleven months. So I don't think Rush sequestering themselves in the studio for months and agonizing over every detail is the best way for them to work. I do believe that Rush still cares about making good music, and I think you can see evidence of this in the making of S&A DVD. But equalling or beating their classic songs like TS, TSOR, and CTTH is a pretty high expectation. Is there any band from the 70s that is still around making music that equals or beats their classic period? Most of Rush's contemporaries have either thrown in the towel (Floyd, Zeppelin), stopped putting out new material (Genesis), become greatest hits touring bands (Styx, Kansas), or become glorified tribute bands (Yes ). I'm glad that Rush is doing the "best they can" and still putting out new music. The classic Rush albums came from a time when the guys were in their twenties and thirties, and were locked in a constant cycle of touring and recording. This was obviously a magical time for them, and they produced some amazing music. It seems unlikely that they'll ever be able to quite capture that magic again, considering how much time has passed and the guys are now pushing 60. But I think they are in a really good place right now, especially compared to most other bands at this point in their careers.

QUOTE (gtbos @ Jun 9 2010, 06:32 PM) here is my likely set based on what they like to play 1.working man 2.workin them angels 3.force ten 4.bravado 5.the pass 6.caravan 7.bu2b 8.main monkey business 9.armour and sword 10.closer to the heart 11.subdivisions 12.big money 13.jacobsladder set two 14.TS 15.RB 16.YYZ 17.LIMELIGHT 18.TCE 19.WH 20.VS 21.MAL NAR/DRUMS 22.hope 23.xanadu or la villa 24freewill 25.spirit of radio encore 26.far cry 27.2112/temples/grand finale This actually seems pretty plausible. Except I would swap the positions of WM and TSOR. And maybe something from PoW other than BM.

The vocal melodies on these tunes are limited by the framework of the music around them. Both songs (especially Caravan) have a lot going on musically, with lots of riff changes, time changes (double time, half time), etc. When you've got so much going on musically, the tradeoff is that the vocals need to fit into that structure and won't be as free flowing. Having said that, there are still some nice vocal moments in these tunes, especially the bridge of BU2B. Funny, last time out Rush delibrately wrote a vocal-oriented song with The Larger Bowl, and people ripped the music as being "too simple," "sounds like country," "I could have written that guitar part," etc. Go figure.

I'm loving the bridge (middle eight?) of BU2B. Until our final breath The joy and pain that we receive Must be what we deserve I was brought up to believe The bass, keyboards , vocal melody/delivery, and lyrics are all just perfect. This section reminds me of the HYF era, definitely the most old-school sounding Rush we've heard in a while. Even better that it comes in the middle of the new, heavy Rush sound (great contrast).