Kent
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QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Mar 29 2012, 11:29 AM) QUOTE (clem @ Mar 29 2012, 09:52 AM) QUOTE (Alexmai @ Mar 29 2012, 03:36 AM) QUOTE (H. P. L. @ Mar 29 2012, 03:25 AM) QUOTE (Alexmai @ Mar 29 2012, 10:17 AM) It looks like the single digital songs are sold well... it's about the albums... It just adds to the fact that the artists living on singles are generally more pop-oriented. Big bands went (go) big with albums. If Moving pictures was released today, its song would sell well without being pop If Moving Pictures were released today, there are people on this board that would say it sucks because Rush "hasn't done anything good since 1978". Clem There's no doubt about that for at least some people. Nostalgia is a huge part of it with these older bands and whether it's a concious decision or not (usually not) people simply will always prefer what they grew up with and the revisionism is strong with this stuff. The idea that I hear Signals described as being part of the classic "they did no wrong" period all the time blows me away. I was in junior high when that album came out and it was more reviled at the time than any other Rush album since. A lot of people consider AFTK the epitome of "classic Rush" but on the original album premier the host repeatedly questions Geddy about whether he's worried about what the fans will think because "it doesn't sound the the Rush we've grown acccustomed to." He's polite but he's almost begging Geddy for an apology. Things like "Are you worried about what the reaction will be when you play these live?" and "Will Rush be going back the their previous style after this?" etc. Geoff Barton was instrumental in getting Rush exposure in the U.K. and he thought Rush peaked with AFTK and completely turned on the band when Hemipheres came out. He hated it and still bashes it. He's not just a single random fan, he was an early champion of the band. In the Q interview with Geddy and Alex Geddy talked about how Fly by Night cost them some fans who expected it to be like the first album. We all know Caress of Steel damn near ended the band. When I hear people say stuff like "they should bring stuff back like Prime Mover or Lock and Key" live all I can think about is going to multiple Rush shows in 1988 where the reaction to the HYF songs live was far worse than the people who complained about hearing 5 straight S&A songs in 2007/2008. Even albums that netted them lots more fans still lost them some older ones. I know multiple people that Moving Pictures turned off. One of my really good friends loves Rush but at the time MP was new he said he had the same hostile reaction as when he heard Jump in 1984 for the first time. He thought the band he loved was dead. He said MP was slow, overly polished sounding and not edgy, and with too much keyboard. And you know, that's not really that off-base. He's come around to love it but at the time he thought it was the classic "sell-out". Tons of people seem to argue that Rush is really just about the 70s stuff, that that's why people love them. But that doesn't explain why they weren't even headlining until the AFTK tour and even then they were smaller venues. They didn't really start even getting in to the black financially until 1980. they were playing 200 or more shows a year to survive through 1979. Their back catalog got a huge boost in sales during 1980-1981. One single thing many years ago told me all I needed to know about the crowd that will always say "it doesn't sound like their old stuff" and that's when I first started getting bootlegs in the early 90s. Back then when I ordered them blind through the mail without knowing the quality I would get a lot of horrible sounding audience bootlegs but I still thought they were cool that they even existed. I'd listen to them in my headphones at night when I got in bed. And I remember hearing one from the Hemispheres tour where during Hemispheres itself you hear a guy kind of behind the taper yelling throughout the whole thing "Play the old stuff! Play the old stuff!" I laughed and thought "Dude, that is the old stuff!" They've always been there. I'm not saying you should pretend to like what you don't and I've been disappointed before like with Vapor Trails, all I'm saying is just don't buy into this "They were great up until ____________" absolutism where everybody fills in the blank with a different album. Dissension has always been a part of this and the "old stuff" was always better. Except it wasn't. Great one, man.
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QUOTE (Priest of Syrinx @ Mar 29 2012, 11:11 AM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:54 AM) QUOTE (Priest of Syrinx @ Mar 29 2012, 09:53 AM) QUOTE (snowdog2112 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:48 AM) QUOTE (Priest of Syrinx @ Mar 29 2012, 09:38 AM) QUOTE (Tony R @ Mar 29 2012, 06:06 AM) If a Rush album sold 1 million copies these days I'd be very worried about the quality. I don't get the correlation...? I think he means it would be appealing to the lowest common denominator and therefore generic. Rush has a very dedicated fan base, and I think that because we don't know if this will be the last album, there might be extra incentive to buy. Hasn't every Rush studio LP sold a million? I thought I had read that somewhere, but I could be wrong. No, some still aren't even gold. I looked at the Rush discography on Wikipedia, and you're right. It looks like every Rush studio album has gone Gold in either Canada or the USA, but I would think that Canada's Gold certification threshold is much lower, given the much lower population. I still think that a million sales is not an indication of quality, though. Platinum in Canada is 100, 000 copies. A million is considered Diamond. Platinum in the US is a million. It's driven by population I would think. Rush are tied with KISS in third place for the most gold albums, they've all gone gold. All of em. I'm certain of it.
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QUOTE (danielmclark @ Mar 29 2012, 11:00 AM) Talk about fantasy land, I think it's ridiculous to think that it takes a full year and an untold large sum of money to record a freakin' album. If bands want to be full time musicians, then be full time musicians. When they were young and hungry, Rush put out 8 studio albums and 2 live albums in seven years, and they are widely regarded as the best work of their career. Who has that kind of work ethic these days? And I don't mean the old timers who have earned the right to go a few years between releases and put on massive tours, I'm talking about the up-and-comers. The acts that have only put out an album or two and then wait 4 years to put out another. "We were hard at work!" - no, you weren't! Not for four fking years, you weren't. It should take a month to record an album. Maybe two if you're having trouble with it. I hear a lot "we put out an album, went on tour for 10 months, then had to spend 6 months writing..." what, you can't write on the road? Seems to me, that used to be the norm. As for costing a ton of money - really? The band already has their instruments, so not counting the cost there, you can record an album for under $20,000, and that's being loose with your money. Technology the way it is now, you don't need to spend $50,000 an hour getting into the best studio in the world. With a little more work (there's that word again) you can put a kick-ass album out on a shoestring budget. I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone that makes a boatload of money, and even less for people who make a boatload of money playing music. I have a lot of respect for people that can be that creative, but when you're making music your job, you should treat it like a job. I remember in the 90's Pearl Jam said they wanted to put out an album every 9 months, but it never happened. I don't know where the work ethic in musicians has gone. Live, I'd say Springsteen has the best work ethic out there. But five years between albums? If you are still a working musician, that seems a little extreme. --Kent
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QUOTE (eshine @ Mar 22 2012, 12:33 PM) This is an odd suggestion. Why on earth would they want to release an album worth of songs with the vocals removed? Would they keep the verse and chorus sections or just cut the songs down to the moments that don't contain any vocals? There is a big difference between an "instrumental" song and Karaoke. Agreed. There is a difference between instrumental and Karaoke. An album of instrumentals, an EP would be an interesting thing for them to do, but to release Clockwork Angels sans vocals? It wouldn't work. Plus, they wouldn't do it. Granted, some songs DO work as instrumental's. Perhaps the most popular song of the seventies Stairway to Heaven was done instrumental by Page when he toured for Outrider in 88. I had a bootleg of the show, and it sounded awesome. So, perhaps Rush could take a song from the past and make it into an instrumental, but outside of that....I don't see it happening.
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QUOTE (losingit2k @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 PM) QUOTE (Kent @ Mar 22 2012, 12:10 PM) I swear that Caravan feels like the sequel to a past Rush song...it's riffs, arrangements and everything. Don't get me wrong, decent tune, but Ive heard it before I swear. Call me crazy, but what are your thoughts? The begining sounds a bit like Spindrift! The jam has always reminded me of Freewill in form. But the composition is new! Regardless it soubds like: SpinDrift eh? Perhaps, but that's not it. I don't hear Free-Will in it either. It's something else, just can't place it. However, it does sound like
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QUOTE (racefaceec90 @ Mar 21 2012, 11:05 AM) am currently scouring the web for an isolated guitar track for the big money,when i came across this site http://www.musicintheabstract.org/ apologies if it's already been put up,but thought people here might like it I've been to this site several times in the past, it's pretty nifty. Lots of cool stuff for the die hard Fan. -Kent
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QUOTE (lerxt1990 @ Mar 20 2012, 07:44 PM) QUOTE (Invisible To Telescopic Eye @ Mar 20 2012, 06:21 PM) One of my all time faves. Currently using it as my ring tone. Check this guy out....don't know if he's on TRF but he NAILS this song...as well as many others...check out how casual he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ibab-rk4QM AWESOME!!! God that bass sounds awesome.. Agreed...I watched the footage of that guy jamming to Xanadu. Exactly does Geddy do it---sing and play. I've seen them 7 times, and to this day I don't understand how Geddy does it. It boggles the mind. -Kent
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I find it interesting that no one has been FREAKING out that practically announced with the Amazon thing that May 29th was the release date. Forgive me if I missed that. I just think that it's really exciting news. The fact that someone is writing a book to go along with the album smacks of a return to the prog songwriting that's been missing from Rush's work in the last 20 years. It's a good time to be a Rush fan, that's for sure. --Kent
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This thread is killing me.. I have a gut feeling we are going to see some press on the new album within the next month. It will probably be a press release of some sort. Regardless, I'm glad they are with Roadrunner records. -Kent
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QUOTE (metaldad @ Mar 16 2012, 12:19 PM) I would like to Never hear Closer To The Heart ever agian ---i can certainly understand that as well. I feel the same way about Roll the Bones.
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I live in South Western Ontario, so I'm fortunate enough not to get the Rush Limbaugh remarks everytime I wear my Rush shirt out. --Kent
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Forgive if this has been discussed...but in your opinion what album should Rush cover from start to finish, that they haven't done. Keep in mind in 07 they did 2112 side one, and Moving Pictures, so besides those two. Which album would you like to see featured? I personally would like to see them do Permanent Waves, or Presto. --Kent
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QUOTE (Cyclonus X-1 @ Mar 15 2012, 04:48 PM) Nah. The clock is ticking on this band, and we're going to get only so much more material and so many more shows out of them, so I'd prefer that they didn't spend any of the time that's left rehearsing, recording, and performing cover songs. It doesn't help that I don't like most of the songs they chose for the first one. why do you think the clock is ticking on this band? Just curious.