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I now see the problem we are having. You trust the spin and I don't. Pretty simple. Remember impeachment? John Bolton etc? The hysteria? Lots of media generated hysterics over the past 4 years or so and none have panned out in their favor. Just my opinion and I pay close attention...

 

I am sure for the most part you can guess. The media enjoys hype and eyeballs and power. After what I have witnessed the past 12 years or so I can't believe anything they say. As I said enjoy the hype while I get on with my life...

 

People are dying and you think it won't affect you? Unless you are in a hermetically sealed container, you are in danger. Why is it that everything is a conspiracy to take down Trump? Logic would tell you that is nonsensical, everything that happens is not about him. He's supposed to be our Leader and steer the Country through these rough times. Instead he acts like a child and says everybody is being mean to me.

 

You obviously have your mind made up and that makes me sad that you would be so callous to dismiss what is happening all around you. I'm very dismayed to see someone I like be brainwashed. I don't know what else to call it, the refusal to accept anything that collides with your world view is very disturbing.

Yeah, Italy just called in the military to enforce the lockdown. I guess that is just another ploy to remove Trump. Don't you people who keep saying this stuff realize how ridiculous you sound?

Yeah, this isn't about the divide that politics can cause. This is about all of us coming together and doing what we can, however small that might be, to prevent the spread of this thing.

 

I think other than a crowd of moronic spreak breakers on beaches, we *are* all coming together and doing that. But anytime it's suggested that what's happening in the world isn't really happening because we're all zombies controlled by media, a discussion is bound to turn political. That's what dictators count on.

 

I was shocked to hear that the beaches in Florida were still opened up until a few days ago. I figured that was going to be one of the first things shut down when the government restrictions started up last week.

They only closed one beach in Florida as of yesterday, all of the rest were opened. I do not know if they closed any today.

It really pisses me off when I see people trying to turn this into a political issue when stories like this are popping up daily. I say shame on all of you who are disrespecting people's pain and suffering.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/media/coronavirus-nbc-news/index.html

Yeah, this isn't about the divide that politics can cause. This is about all of us coming together and doing what we can, however small that might be, to prevent the spread of this thing.

 

I think other than a crowd of moronic spreak breakers on beaches, we *are* all coming together and doing that. But anytime it's suggested that what's happening in the world isn't really happening because we're all zombies controlled by media, a discussion is bound to turn political. That's what dictators count on.

It's social media that brainwashes these people...

 

....And you also have people like Narps who says he is just going to go about his business like nothing is happening, not caring if he might be spreading the virus.

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

Comparing Covid19 to ebola?

 

I was pointing out the difference in our response to the two diseases. We had a methodical and well planned approach to Ebola and helped lessen its impact and we only had 12 cases here in the US because we were proactive and acted quickly. Our COVID 19 response has been pathetic and is endangering lives. I was also responding to another comment that said Ebola was no big deal, which was not true.

 

Just hope you realize the differences between the countries and governments involved in the two cases. Apples and oranges of course. H1 N1 might be a more apt comparison. Take a look at that one and the media reaction at the time if you can find any mention of it anywhere...

 

Ok, I did some checking and here is what I found. Website Healthline https://www.healthli...-past-outbreaks

 

2009 (H1N1) flu pandemic

Back in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.

Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.

Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.

• Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
  
• First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
  
• Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
  
• Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
  
• Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
  
• Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
  
• Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
  
• End of pandemic: August 2010
  

Here's an analysis of what has been said about the H1N1 response:

“If you go back and look at the swine flu, and what happened with the swine flu, you’ll see how many people died, and how actually nothing was done for such a long period of time, as people were dying all over the place,” he said. “We’re doing it the opposite. We’re very much ahead of everything.”

Trump is correct on the number of H1N1 cases and deaths, but it’s misleading to compare those figures to the current outbreak of COVID-19, which has just begun. It’s also not true that the Obama administration did nothing or waited a long time to act on the H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus cropped up out of season, in late spring. Because of genetic similarities to influenza viruses in pigs, it became known as a “swine flu,” even though there is no evidence the virus spread between pigs or pigs to humans.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

 

There is more discussion of this at https://www.factchec...-pandemic-spin/

 

There are now 14,366 confirmed cases in the U.S. 217 deaths. This is in less than 2 months. It is serious and it is about to get out of control. The waffling about helping the states fight this continues today. There is no excuse to put lives in danger.

I now see the problem we are having. You trust the spin and I don't. Pretty simple. Remember impeachment? John Bolton etc? The hysteria? Lots of media generated hysterics over the past 4 years or so and none have panned out in their favor. Just my opinion and I pay close attention...

 

:goodone:

I am not interested in arguing with anyone, but a cavalier attitude to this is going to get everyone in big trouble. Those scenes from spring break are insane. Idiots laughing about getting Corona but it won't stop their partying. To the sceptics - so you have a better handle on this than all of the medical experts around the world? Forget the media - there is huge political bias both ways. I am more right of centre but I read a lot of left media so I can see what the other side is saying - I always have done this. I firmly believe it makes me a more intelligent person. Those who get all of their news from one side cannot form an educated opinion - in my opinion. But I am off on a tangent. I just want to understand. I live in a city of 5 million that is in virtual lock down. I am about to lay off people at my company. This is very real for me. And yes there are people in their 30's on respirators. It is not only hitting the old. And if it was, do they not count. Yes the flu has killed more people but has the flu brought down the world economy like this potentially could? I feel really bad that in the face of all of this I have been duped. What an idiot I am! This is really nothing....

 

Earlier this week Trump said the USA “tremendously ready” for this. So the USA will be fine.

 

[Just to be sure, those 2 sentences are sarcasm and I’m with you]

To be fair, almost everything he says is a lie or just ignorance on his part, yet his supporters take it as gospel. There were reports that many churches in the South held services just like they always do because all this is overblown and their god will protect them anyway.

You think they are going to let a little virus stop them from preaching when they are passing the rattlesnakes around?

I am not interested in arguing with anyone, but a cavalier attitude to this is going to get everyone in big trouble. Those scenes from spring break are insane. Idiots laughing about getting Corona but it won't stop their partying. To the sceptics - so you have a better handle on this than all of the medical experts around the world? Forget the media - there is huge political bias both ways. I am more right of centre but I read a lot of left media so I can see what the other side is saying - I always have done this. I firmly believe it makes me a more intelligent person. Those who get all of their news from one side cannot form an educated opinion - in my opinion. But I am off on a tangent. I just want to understand. I live in a city of 5 million that is in virtual lock down. I am about to lay off people at my company. This is very real for me. And yes there are people in their 30's on respirators. It is not only hitting the old. And if it was, do they not count. Yes the flu has killed more people but has the flu brought down the world economy like this potentially could? I feel really bad that in the face of all of this I have been duped. What an idiot I am! This is really nothing....

 

Earlier this week Trump said the USA “tremendously ready” for this. So the USA will be fine.

 

[Just to be sure, those 2 sentences are sarcasm and I’m with you]

To be fair, almost everything he says is a lie or just ignorance on his part, yet his supporters take it as gospel. There were reports that many churches in the South held services just like they always do because all this is overblown and their god will protect them anyway.

I hope Canada starts building a wall soon.

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

 

please tell us where you get your news from?

 

we are all still waiting for your reply.

 

i asked nicely too.

I am sure for the most part you can guess. The media enjoys hype and eyeballs and power. After what I have witnessed the past 12 years or so I can't believe anything they say. As I said enjoy the hype while I get on with my life...

You are just spewing nonsense. So many countries in the world are beginning to almost go on complete lock down and you believe the media has that kind of power? That is just ridiculous!

I get a huge sense of ignorance is bliss in this thread (Mostly driven by economics.).

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

Comparing Covid19 to ebola?

 

I was pointing out the difference in our response to the two diseases. We had a methodical and well planned approach to Ebola and helped lessen its impact and we only had 12 cases here in the US because we were proactive and acted quickly. Our COVID 19 response has been pathetic and is endangering lives. I was also responding to another comment that said Ebola was no big deal, which was not true.

 

Just hope you realize the differences between the countries and governments involved in the two cases. Apples and oranges of course. H1 N1 might be a more apt comparison. Take a look at that one and the media reaction at the time if you can find any mention of it anywhere...

 

Ok, I did some checking and here is what I found. Website Healthline https://www.healthli...-past-outbreaks

 

2009 (H1N1) flu pandemic

Back in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.

Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.

Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.

• Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
  
• First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
  
• Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
  
• Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
  
• Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
  
• Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
  
• Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
  
• End of pandemic: August 2010
  

Here's an analysis of what has been said about the H1N1 response:

“If you go back and look at the swine flu, and what happened with the swine flu, you’ll see how many people died, and how actually nothing was done for such a long period of time, as people were dying all over the place,” he said. “We’re doing it the opposite. We’re very much ahead of everything.”

Trump is correct on the number of H1N1 cases and deaths, but it’s misleading to compare those figures to the current outbreak of COVID-19, which has just begun. It’s also not true that the Obama administration did nothing or waited a long time to act on the H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus cropped up out of season, in late spring. Because of genetic similarities to influenza viruses in pigs, it became known as a “swine flu,” even though there is no evidence the virus spread between pigs or pigs to humans.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

 

There is more discussion of this at https://www.factchec...-pandemic-spin/

 

There are now 14,366 confirmed cases in the U.S. 217 deaths. This is in less than 2 months. It is serious and it is about to get out of control. The waffling about helping the states fight this continues today. There is no excuse to put lives in danger.

I now see the problem we are having. You trust the spin and I don't. Pretty simple. Remember impeachment? John Bolton etc? The hysteria? Lots of media generated hysterics over the past 4 years or so and none have panned out in their favor. Just my opinion and I pay close attention...

Sounds like you've fallen victim to too much of this conspiracy theory shit. People are dying in large numbers from this and many more are coming close to dying. Take a look at what's going on in Italy right now, and if the U'S. does not not crack down more on this it will be the next Italy. All these young people partying in Florida right now are going to infect an epic amount of the population.

 

I don't think that's what Narps is saying, although I can't speak for him. I think the point is the number of people who have died of Covid-19 worldwide is still much lower than the number of people who have died from the flu in the U.S. alone this year, as estimated by the CDC. The CDC doesn't get real time updates, so it bases it's estimates on previous years and the best data it has. https://www.cdc.gov/...n-estimates.htm

 

Isolation and financial distress also cause significant health risks. Isn't it fair to ask if some of what is being done is a little like telling a person with an atypical mole, so a precancerous risk, that they have to go through radiation and chemotherapy that might kill them? Most sources I've read or heard say that unless a person is elderly, or has an underlying respiratory condition, the virus isn't particularly dangerous to them. Doesn't it make sense to take steps to ensure that the at risk population are shielded, rather than say that every business in California has to close indefinitely? When all these businesses go under, and all these people lose their jobs, what's to become of them? If we're protecting them from a disease that would kill them, then of course it was worth it. If it was to protect them from what was, for more than 99% of them, the flu, was it?

Most cases are relatively mild, but there are totally healthy middle aged people dying from this also. If we do not practice social distancing I believe that a very very high percentage of the elderly population will be wiped out from it. That is what is happening in Italy right now. China had many more people infected but Italy now has more deaths because they have a higher percentage of elderly people.Ignoring this will almost certainly kill at least one of our loved ones.The death rate in Italy is now around 10 percent of people infected.

 

I've read that Italy is an older population, and, apparently, has a lot of smokers. China, of course, actively suppressed information about the "pneumonia" coming out of Wuhan province in late November 2019, and didn't notify the WHO until December 31, 2019, after it was too late to contain the virus. So they're a little like someone who starts a fire and then keeps anyone from calling the fire department. Obviously that's going to enhance the damage. South Korea, by contrast, is reporting a mortality rate of about 0.6%-0.7%.

 

https://www.sciencem...ret-its-success

 

Anyways, my point was just that I think you can be concerned about the pandemic and still wonder whether things are going too far too fast, with little concern of the costs, including other health risks, down the road a short ways. If you have something I can read that talks about otherwise healthy middle aged people dying I'd be interested in reading it. You can always learn something, and I'm not an expert on virology.

Here is an article that says that younger people can also be severely affected by the virus. These younger people will have a good chance of pulling through if they have respirators but might stand a chance of dying if none are available to them.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/u-s-official-says-data-show-severe-coronavirus-infections-among-millennials-not-just-older-americans/

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

Comparing Covid19 to ebola?

 

I was pointing out the difference in our response to the two diseases. We had a methodical and well planned approach to Ebola and helped lessen its impact and we only had 12 cases here in the US because we were proactive and acted quickly. Our COVID 19 response has been pathetic and is endangering lives. I was also responding to another comment that said Ebola was no big deal, which was not true.

 

Just hope you realize the differences between the countries and governments involved in the two cases. Apples and oranges of course. H1 N1 might be a more apt comparison. Take a look at that one and the media reaction at the time if you can find any mention of it anywhere...

 

Ok, I did some checking and here is what I found. Website Healthline https://www.healthli...-past-outbreaks

 

2009 (H1N1) flu pandemic

Back in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.

Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.

Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.

• Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
  
• First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
  
• Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
  
• Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
  
• Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
  
• Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
  
• Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
  
• End of pandemic: August 2010
  

Here's an analysis of what has been said about the H1N1 response:

“If you go back and look at the swine flu, and what happened with the swine flu, you’ll see how many people died, and how actually nothing was done for such a long period of time, as people were dying all over the place,” he said. “We’re doing it the opposite. We’re very much ahead of everything.”

Trump is correct on the number of H1N1 cases and deaths, but it’s misleading to compare those figures to the current outbreak of COVID-19, which has just begun. It’s also not true that the Obama administration did nothing or waited a long time to act on the H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus cropped up out of season, in late spring. Because of genetic similarities to influenza viruses in pigs, it became known as a “swine flu,” even though there is no evidence the virus spread between pigs or pigs to humans.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

 

There is more discussion of this at https://www.factchec...-pandemic-spin/

 

There are now 14,366 confirmed cases in the U.S. 217 deaths. This is in less than 2 months. It is serious and it is about to get out of control. The waffling about helping the states fight this continues today. There is no excuse to put lives in danger.

I now see the problem we are having. You trust the spin and I don't. Pretty simple. Remember impeachment? John Bolton etc? The hysteria? Lots of media generated hysterics over the past 4 years or so and none have panned out in their favor. Just my opinion and I pay close attention...

Sounds like you've fallen victim to too much of this conspiracy theory shit. People are dying in large numbers from this and many more are coming close to dying. Take a look at what's going on in Italy right now, and if the U'S. does not not crack down more on this it will be the next Italy. All these young people partying in Florida right now are going to infect an epic amount of the population.

 

I don't think that's what Narps is saying, although I can't speak for him. I think the point is the number of people who have died of Covid-19 worldwide is still much lower than the number of people who have died from the flu in the U.S. alone this year, as estimated by the CDC. The CDC doesn't get real time updates, so it bases it's estimates on previous years and the best data it has. https://www.cdc.gov/...n-estimates.htm

 

Isolation and financial distress also cause significant health risks. Isn't it fair to ask if some of what is being done is a little like telling a person with an atypical mole, so a precancerous risk, that they have to go through radiation and chemotherapy that might kill them? Most sources I've read or heard say that unless a person is elderly, or has an underlying respiratory condition, the virus isn't particularly dangerous to them. Doesn't it make sense to take steps to ensure that the at risk population are shielded, rather than say that every business in California has to close indefinitely? When all these businesses go under, and all these people lose their jobs, what's to become of them? If we're protecting them from a disease that would kill them, then of course it was worth it. If it was to protect them from what was, for more than 99% of them, the flu, was it?

Most cases are relatively mild, but there are totally healthy middle aged people dying from this also. If we do not practice social distancing I believe that a very very high percentage of the elderly population will be wiped out from it. That is what is happening in Italy right now. China had many more people infected but Italy now has more deaths because they have a higher percentage of elderly people.Ignoring this will almost certainly kill at least one of our loved ones.The death rate in Italy is now around 10 percent of people infected.

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

Comparing Covid19 to ebola?

 

I was pointing out the difference in our response to the two diseases. We had a methodical and well planned approach to Ebola and helped lessen its impact and we only had 12 cases here in the US because we were proactive and acted quickly. Our COVID 19 response has been pathetic and is endangering lives. I was also responding to another comment that said Ebola was no big deal, which was not true.

 

Just hope you realize the differences between the countries and governments involved in the two cases. Apples and oranges of course. H1 N1 might be a more apt comparison. Take a look at that one and the media reaction at the time if you can find any mention of it anywhere...

 

Ok, I did some checking and here is what I found. Website Healthline https://www.healthli...-past-outbreaks

 

2009 (H1N1) flu pandemic

Back in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.

Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.

Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.

• Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
  
• First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
  
• Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
  
• Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
  
• Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
  
• Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
  
• Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
  
• End of pandemic: August 2010
  

Here's an analysis of what has been said about the H1N1 response:

“If you go back and look at the swine flu, and what happened with the swine flu, you’ll see how many people died, and how actually nothing was done for such a long period of time, as people were dying all over the place,” he said. “We’re doing it the opposite. We’re very much ahead of everything.”

Trump is correct on the number of H1N1 cases and deaths, but it’s misleading to compare those figures to the current outbreak of COVID-19, which has just begun. It’s also not true that the Obama administration did nothing or waited a long time to act on the H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In 2009, a new H1N1 influenza virus cropped up out of season, in late spring. Because of genetic similarities to influenza viruses in pigs, it became known as a “swine flu,” even though there is no evidence the virus spread between pigs or pigs to humans.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

 

There is more discussion of this at https://www.factchec...-pandemic-spin/

 

There are now 14,366 confirmed cases in the U.S. 217 deaths. This is in less than 2 months. It is serious and it is about to get out of control. The waffling about helping the states fight this continues today. There is no excuse to put lives in danger.

I now see the problem we are having. You trust the spin and I don't. Pretty simple. Remember impeachment? John Bolton etc? The hysteria? Lots of media generated hysterics over the past 4 years or so and none have panned out in their favor. Just my opinion and I pay close attention...

Sounds like you've fallen victim to too much of this conspiracy theory shit. People are dying in large numbers from this and many more are coming close to dying. Take a look at what's going on in Italy right now, and if the U'S. does not not crack down more on this it will be the next Italy. All these young people partying in Florida right now are going to infect an epic amount of the population.

his writings would have been outstanding, as usual, I'd wager.

 

I've read and purchased a lot of Neil Peart's... "work", but 'intellectual', 'eloquent', and 'well-written' are not phrases I would use to describe it.

 

I'd wager that Neil would've gotten high-and-mighty over this, and told us what society is doing wrong. Relatively few read his writings, especially the website stuff (like me!), so any grand essays from him would've surely been inconsequential as always. That being said, I miss hearing about his roadway travels. He threw down very serious mile counts for decades, and that inspired me much, much more than his remedial novelist abilities.

Whatever your thoughts about his literature his grasp of philosophy in “Ghost Rider” is far in advance of what you appear capable of. You need to be careful of conflating boring with worthless.

Ghost Rider wasn't boring in my opinion because he kept on talking about the emotional battle that he was going through in his head. I found it very touching.

The numbers are starting to skyrocket in the U.S. now, it looks like it might follow the pattern in Italy. Italy has now passed China in deaths from covid-19.

my temperature is 100.1 now, i have a splitting headache, ive been coughing, and im short of breath from my chest being tight. im gonna try to make an appointment to get tested tomorrow morning.

It could be just a cold!

 

Nyet. Colds don't cause a fever.

 

She doesn't really have a fever....100.1 is upper range of normal and could quite easily have been caused by a cold.

99 is low, but 100.1, while not dangerous, is a fever.

 

It's actually dependent on what measure you use....I was a medical professional for twenty years so I know this.

 

In any case, hope this resolves quickly for you and it's probably a good idea to be tested as you have already mentioned....keep an eye on the breathing, that's the important part and if you're struggling seek medical attention asap.

Yeah, from what I have seen, this can quickly take a turn for the worse or just stay with mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. If it starts getting worse, the emergency room is the best bet.

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

Comparing Covid19 to ebola?

The article is basically saying that there is no comparison?

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

Boy it's obvious where you get your "news" from and worse yet believe it. Enjoy...

Seriously, what is wrong with this info?

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

 

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

 

That is what people don't get, anyone can be a carrier without symptoms and then they spread it around to others. The flattening the curve effect is to keep the numbers down so our hospitals won't be overrun. That's why we needed our government to pay attention and not blow if off like it was nothing. We are fighting against a wave that started weeks ago but we just didn't know it because of the lack of testing capability. This isn't something we can just ignore, we are all in it together. This is uncharted territory and we need to work together or we sink together.

 

As for the comment that Ebola wasn't as bad, that is completely wrong. It killed 50 percent of the people who got it. We also had a Pandemic Task Force that went to West Africa to help fight the disease there.

 

In March 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported an outbreak of Ebola virus disease in the West African country of Guinea. Additional cases have since been reported in the countries of Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as Nigeria and Senegal. To date, there have been more than 22,500 reported Ebola cases in West Africa, with more than 8,900 deaths. At home, U.S. medical teams have treated 12 Ebola patients — all but two recovered.

 

Since the start of the outbreak, the United States has sent more than 3,000 DOD, CDC, USAID, and other U.S. health officials to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to assist with response efforts, as part of a 10,000-person U.S.-backed civilian response. With their help, the U.S. government has:

• Constructed 15 Ebola treatment units in the region
  
• Provided more than 400 metric tons of personal protective equipment and other medical and relief supplies
  
• Operated more than 190 burial teams in the region
  
• Conducted aggressive contact tracing to identify chains of transmission
  
• Trained health care workers and conducted community outreach
  
• Worked with international partners to identify travelers who may have Ebola before they leave the region
  

Thanks to their efforts, and the work of countless others from around the world, the number of people who are contracting Ebola has declined sharply from peak levels.

 

So what have we done this time? Pretend it doesn't exist, wish it away despite the evidence of massive deaths. Let large numbers of Chinese come to the U.S. BEFORE we closed our borders. By then it was too late. Maybe our Pandemic Task Force could have helped go to China to see what was going on and help but oh yeah someone canned the whole group in 2018. We have been put at risk by bungling and fumbling from the get go. Test kits made here in U.S.were defective, we could have had free tests given to us by the WHO but no we couldn't do that. So they try to get test kits to Americans but it is 3 weeks since they promised 1 Million would be made available. People are dying because of this inept response. People are scared because they can't trust the government to do its job professionally and in a timely manner. So it has been left to the local Mayors, Governors and their health departments to fix it but it is too big for them to do alone. This is why some people are panicking and buying everything in sight, it gives them some sense of control but of course it doesn't really help. People who really need food can't get it because the crazies have bought it all up.

Yes, I am upset and I am doing all I can to be careful and look out for those I can but I don't understand all the denial that this is no big deal, it has the potential to cause millions of deaths. I just hope that is wrong but better to err on the side of caution.

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Thanks for that post, very informative.

 

Also, most people think that they are not in any danger because they are not that old and in pretty good health. That is true for most people because they seem to be hit with very mild symptoms, but even if you are healthy and get hit with this virus in it's most potent form, your life will be in danger. There are healthy middle aged people dying from this also.

If it's in US, we won't know . . . still very little testing!

 

There's over 4000 confirmed cases in 49 states. It's definitely here and certainly should be a concern but it's not time for a full on panic yet. They're taking the proper measures I believe in the limitations they've made in my state when it comes to big get togethers. It's gonna be different for a while but we'll get back to some normalcy soon enough.

 

I think people are overreacting over here actually. At least it doesn't make total sense why everything's shutting down indefinitely for this one, but Swine Flu and Bird Flu and Sars and Ebola and ever other major health scare of the past 20 years didn't have half this effect. But oh well, people overreacting is probably what will keep the US from winding up like China in this mess...

Most of us do not have to worry but the elderly and sick people do. We have to quarantine ourselves so it does not keep spreading and infecting them. When people first started dying in Seattle they said 24 people had died but 18 of them were from the same Nursing home.

So last year I got a nice Samsung OLED TV. A few times a week I want to start an episode of something after the wife goes to bed. I'm thinking wireless headphones. I'm reading about RF, Bluetooth, Infrared and audio lag. I'm not helpless but I want something that sounds good and is easy to set up.

 

What are y'all using? Any advice?

 

Looks like I only have a optical audio out.

 

Okay, seems like Bluetooth is the way I must go.

 

Just a heads up from a tech snob, Samsung TVs don’t have OLED, they have LCD panels.

 

A decent pair of Bluetooth headphones are the way to go.

What he said. You should be able to find a half decent pair on sale for around $40 (You can get a decent mid-range pair for that.). Just check some deals on Amazon and check the comments and then you can also check reviews on youtube.

I'm guilty too, of calling him a grump and making a ton of jokes about him hating his fans. Not cool.

This is just a forum on the internet and everyone gets carried away with what they are posting sometimes. Whether it be jokingly, or to hop on a bandwagon, or in anger or even sometimes a drunken post (See Earl.). I myself never really had any issues with Neil, but I would make jokes about the traits that other people accused Neil of having, or traits that Neil did actually have. Life is a constant lesson, and if there is any silver lining when we lose people who meant something to us, it is that I think we all grow a little as human beings.

RIP

 

This is truly heartbreaking news. But, Neil left his mark on the world as maybe the best drum composer who ever lived. You will be missed and remembered for eternity.

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Nothing against Isla, but if I had my way, it would be her sister in the movie.

 

...Who turns 41 tomorrow btw. That Canuck fox never ages. Schwing!

Who is that? Something about the way she says grrrrr is hot.

That is Isla Fisher, I think everything about her is hot! She is married to Sacha Baron Cohen (Borat, Ali G).

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I just spoke with the nurse he has now on the neurology floor. They had to tie him down because he was fighting the nurse. He had gotten out of bed and walking towards the elevators. Now they've got restraints on him.

 

I told you he's a handful.

I don't want to be too intrusive but maybe you should start looking into some kind of government programs where he could be put into some kind of a home. I am not saying to do that right away, but it would be good if you had some other option. People who start behaving like your husband has might be more prone to start becoming violent in the future. I hope that I am not crossing any lines by saying this. I am only thinking of you.