Detonator
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Marathon is the best song but it's not the best version. ASOH version is MUCH better, imho.
Best performance must be Leave that Thing Alone. That bass "solo" in the end is just unbelievable.
Geddy's vocals aren't very good in this DVD. That doesn't make it a bad DVD though. I enjoy this one a lot... a lot more than the Clockwork Dallas DVD.
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I don't think so. You're entitled to your opinion of course. ;)
4 of them are rock good albums... I agree.... not perfect as they have a lot of dumb "fillers" like Bottoms Up, And Diver Down and Women & Children First are mediocre at best.
I¨m in my 30's so I didn't grow up with the old Van Halen stuff and Roth. Maybe you're older guys and you did. So maybe, just maybe I view the discography differently because of that. ;)
Did you grow up with Moving Pictures? Are you a Beatles or Rolling Stones fan? I don't think you need to have been a teenager when something came out to love it.
I do agree you're entitled to think Van Hagar > Roth era VH.
Moving Pictures is timeless. When I first heard it, I instantly recognized a masterpiece. It was like Led Zep's IV. But it's very hard for me to love the Stones. I just don't get it what's so great about them. My dad loves them though.
I acknowledge their influence and legacy, like Exile and It's Only Rock'n'Roll... but I don't particularly love them. Most of their stuff sound dated and boring.
Rolling Stone magazine just recently claimed that The Clash's "London Calling" is best rock album ever made. Personally, I think it's a mediocre pop album. Nothing special musically.
It's fascinating how there are so many "right" or "wrong" opinions in pop music. And they're just opinions.
Like old Rush vs. new Rush. Just imagine that there must be people who still think nothing after Fly By Night isn't worth listening. :D
I really LIKE most ot fhe Roth-era... but Roth was very one dimensional... "Tough rock guys" can't admit that they like stuf like "When it's Love". Might be the best rock ballad ever made. Roth could never have performed it. And songs like Feelin' and Right Now are just simply rock music taken into another level, imho. ;)
I think you missed my point. You said us "older guys" (or us "tough rock guys" but I'm not sure where that comes from) like the Roth era better because we grew up with it. Maybe, just maybe, we like it better than the Hagar era because we just think it's just better? ;)
There are never right or wrong opinions. But they're fun to discuss, as long as everyone participating in the conversation realizes that someone saying they don't agree with you isn't the same as insulting you. :D
I don't take these things personally at all. Au contrary, it's interesting and sometimes music discussions can make you soften your views and maybe try something again with different attitude.
The "tough guy rock" comment wasn't directed at you, but to people who disliked Hagar's ballads (Love Walks In, When it's love, Dreams, etc.) Those alienated a lot of old Roth-era fans from the band but brought a lot of new fans. I really like those songs, they're powerful and beautiful at the same time.
Believe it or not, it was Eddie himself who wanted to do more ballads and melodic stuff because with Hagar he was able to do them. Roth's vocal range only enabled them to do that much. Old VH is very good but still it's all quite one-dimensional, straightforward rock. Nothing wrong with that though... it's kinda like comparing Fly By Night to Hold Your Fire. A comment that "Roth era blows Hagar era away" is an opinion but not a "fact". The band and its music & songwriting developed tremendously after Roth left, imho.
I've watched a lot ot VH concerts (from both eras) and the band was simply at its peak (musically) in the early 90's (f**k and Balance tours), imho. I know that they have "doctored" the sound of this concert afterwards a little, but the band's energy and power was unbelievable in this gig.
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I don't think so. You're entitled to your opinion of course. ;)
4 of them are rock good albums... I agree.... not perfect as they have a lot of dumb "fillers" like Bottoms Up, And Diver Down and Women & Children First are mediocre at best.
I¨m in my 30's so I didn't grow up with the old Van Halen stuff and Roth. Maybe you're older guys and you did. So maybe, just maybe I view the discography differently because of that. ;)
Did you grow up with Moving Pictures? Are you a Beatles or Rolling Stones fan? I don't think you need to have been a teenager when something came out to love it.
I do agree you're entitled to think Van Hagar > Roth era VH.
Moving Pictures is timeless. When I first heard it, I instantly recognized a masterpiece. It was like Led Zep's IV. But it's very hard for me to love the Stones. I just don't get it what's so great about them. My dad loves them though.
I acknowledge their influence and legacy, like Exile and It's Only Rock'n'Roll... but I don't particularly love them. Most of their stuff sound dated and boring.
Rolling Stone magazine just recently claimed that The Clash's "London Calling" is best rock album ever made. Personally, I think it's a mediocre pop album. Nothing special musically.
It's fascinating how there are so many "right" or "wrong" opinions in pop music. And they're just opinions.
Like old Rush vs. new Rush. Just imagine that there must be people who still think nothing after Fly By Night isn't worth listening. :D
I really LIKE most ot fhe Roth-era... but Roth was very one dimensional... "Tough rock guys" can't admit that they like stuf like "When it's Love". Might be the best rock ballad ever made. Roth could never have performed it. And songs like Feelin' and Right Now are just simply rock music taken into another level, imho. ;)
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I don't think so. You're entitled to your opinion of course. ;)
4 of them are rock good albums... I agree.... not perfect as they have a lot of dumb "fillers" like Bottoms Up, And Diver Down and Women & Children First are mediocre at best.
I¨m in my 30's so I didn't grow up with the old Van Halen stuff and Roth. Maybe you're older guys and you did. So maybe, just maybe I view the discography differently because of that. ;)
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There are plenty of great songs that should have deserved more attention and recognition.
One band comes to mind... a Swiss duo "Yello" who have made some really weird sh*t. They have pure techno music, they have some kind of psychedelic kraut-rock, some stuff that even I consider pure crap... and even catchy pop songs. But one song raises above others, Third of June.
It's a song of a nuclear war... or someone's drug trip... or just whatever... I don't know. But it's a powerful, powerful song that has a lot of the same elements that I love about Rush's most powerful material (Subdivisions, Marathon, Jacob's Ladder, etc).
I'm quite sure this song would work for most Rush fans. Crank the volume up and LISTEN. I'd love to hear what Rush fans say about this.
Mr. Toomy stopped his pinstripe suit outside a barber shop
Looked at his face
Took off his jacket
Put it on the pavement
Stepped on it
And started preaching like a monk from another world
After some minutes, he had a little crowd
Which disappeared when a police car passed by slowly
Like rolling gloom
And Mr. Toomy throws his voice 'til he was the only one in the area
At this early night of June third, nineteen eighty eight
Share your obscure masterpiece(s).
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Just listened to Mirage again and holy SH*T Lady Fantasy is such an amazing, amazing song.
Up there with King Crimson's Red and Yes' Close to the Edge... among the best prog rock songs EVER. It's just so powerful and beautiful at the same time.
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Top 10:
1. Rush
2. Camel
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Pink Floyd
5. Van Halen
6. Yes
7. Genesis
8. The Who
9. Yello
10.King Crimson
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I don't understand why Superconductor is "hated". I really don't.
I think it's a great song.
The video sucks though... but who watches videos anyway?
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Presto isn't a pure pop record, imho. It has funk, jazz, prog and metal combined. A lot of "weird" time signatures, etc. HYF is Rush's "lightest" album. Presto is very different.
Both are great though. Perfect music, Rush in their prime.
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Force Ten: 9
Time Stand Still: 10
Open Secrets: 8
Second Nature: 8
Prime Mover: 10
Lock and Key: 9
Mission: 9
Turn the Page: 9
Tai Shan: 5
High Water: 7
Overall: Top-5 Rush albums. Best pop record ever made.
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Neil, Alex and Geddy old interview.
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Old prog stuff is "ok". Infinity and Escape are Journey's best work. Winds of March is actually pure awesomeness.
Send Her My Love (from Frontiers) is a good ballad. Raised on Radio has one good song: It Could Have Been You, which has amazing vocals by Perry.
The rest... well... some good songs in their new incarnations but overall they don't impress me anymore. Hard to take Arnel Pineda seriously as he's simply a Perry clone.
Don't get me wrong... I love melodic ballads but "After All these Years" and "Open Arms" are just too much.
I respect the band and love Neal Schon... but as an European I find it hard to swallow all that American sweetness. IT'S JUST TOO f***ing MUCH (if you're not an old, lonely houselady). :D
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I knew HYF wasn't liked when it was originally released but I thought it has gained a lot of respect in recent years.
Almost all my friends who disliked "soft Rush" have changed their mind as they have grown up. TIme Stand Still is a perfect song for us who have kids and family.
I can't think of better pop album... and what makes HYF different is that EVERY SINGLE WOMAN THAT I DATED loved that album. Even my wife loves it so it's definitely "different Rush". ;)
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I think "The Garden" or "Afterimage" would be great.
Sad but great.
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I don't know how difficult it is to extract this kind of stuff... probably not very difficult but I thought this was quite neat.
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HYF is in my top five, definitely.
Best pop album ever recorded. Period.
Pure perfection (if you leave Tai Shan out of it).
The best song is Prime Mover. But it's even better live:
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Am I the only one who likes the old Vette more?
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Presto is my favorite Rush studio album by far. Absolute perfection from Show Don't Tell to Available Light.
I like Hemispheres a lot too.. but no contest here.
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Not trying to change your mind... you have obviously decided your side... and so have I. :D
"Macho" types didn't like songs like When it's Love (which is btw one of the best rock ballads ever). I love those ballads... just like I love HYF (the best pop album ever). Some Rush fans hated it because it was different and "soft". Hagar era gave a lot of great melodic songs. I love them.
Listen to this one... it's an amazing song... a bit progressive, even. Eddie in his prime (the guitar sounds infernal, esp. the ending) and amazing, amazing vocals. Sammy was always very underrated frontman. This is something that they could never have done with Roth. Never.
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Roth-era Van Halen blows Hagar-era Van Halen out of the water.
Roth wrote and sang many great melodies. And, I personally think some of Roth's lyrics are very witty and intelligent.
When it comes to studio albums it's a taste thing. Personally I prefer the Hagar era but understand people who grew up with those old albums. It's true that Hagar era didn't give even one all-around great album, but the best pieces in f**k, 5150 and Balance are VH in its prime, imho.
Listen to Feelin', Take Me Back, Right Now and Mine all Mine for example... they're amazing songs with some great vocal performances. The songwriting was taken into another level in 5150... even Eddie admitted that. They were able to do SO much more with Hagar and his capabilities. But yeah... I understand people who like the old stuff more. It's like the old Rush vs. new Rush... useless to argue.
But when it comes to live performances, you gotta be deaf to say that Roth-era was better. I can't even watch those old VH lives anymore... Roth is absolutely HORRIBLE. Great frontman, yes... but a crappy vocalist.
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Exactly.
As a singer he started out with nothing and he still got 3/4 left. :D
The early albums like Fair Warning are great EVEN WITH DLR, not BECAUSE OF HIM.
Michael Anthony and Eddie supported him well as background singers. If you look at ANY old VH live performances you gotta admit that Dave was a crappy singer... probably the worst singer ever in a major rock group (if you count out Axl Rose in his current condition). In the 2012 tour he was simply horrendous. He embarrassed this great band and its legacy... it was THAT bad.
Look at this... look how Sammy performed the heavier songs. Even Sammy haters must admit that the band was (musically) in its peak in the early 90's.
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VH was much better band musically with Hagar. Balance, f**k, 5150 songwriting and singing is much better than in the earlier works.
Yes, I, II and Fair Warning are good rock albums. But Roth doesn't even sing in them... he "speaks" through all the songs,,, and he sucks ass live.
This 2012 reunion live is probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen. And you can take this from a lifelong VH fan. I loved VH in its original formation and I loved Van Hagar. But this was just shite.
PS: Good comment from YT:
As a big VH fan, I find this ridiculously bad. It's not the musicianship from Eddie and Al, it's simply DLR. One of the greatest rock bands ever, one of the greatest guitarists of all time(the best imo) is into it's final touring days and is fronted by a joke. Any VH fan or rock n roll fan knows that DLR was all about showmanship over musicianship live in concert and that past in his earlier days, but not anymore. I saw them on the 2007 tour and it was not too bad, DLR surprised me actually. But this is just plain shit and I suspect it will only get worse when and if they tour again. Sammy haters just don't get it....the DLR era was over and should have stayed over. VH got slightly different with Sammy, but they were still a great rock n roll band in every possible way and VH with Sammy still put other bands to shame. I just finished listening to a bootleg of VH in Chicago in 1993 doing the song Pleasure Dome and it blows this performance away. I will enjoy the VH albums I have, which is every one they released, and the memories of 2 shows....but this band is shit with DLR back.
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Eddie is the best rock guitarist ever. Period.
Can I name a good Eddie solo? I can name a few.
Check this out for example. This is from the Balance tour when he was soberb and on top of his game.
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Rank Roll the Bones
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Great summary. Although I'd rank Ghost of a Chance and Where's My Thing "good".
Other than that, I agree completely. Dreamline kicks arse... but the album overall is mediocre... and for me it was a HUGE disappointment after masterpiece that is Presto. ;)