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I was able to procure a used copy of this for a little over 9 dollars on amazon. The disc is clean looking and plays well. It's a little rough around the edges but not a big deal to me.

 

Anyway, I'm almost done with my first listen of this. It's no hemispheres or moving pictures but it's really not bad either. Matt Cameron does a good job on drums(he's no Neil but who was?)and Ben Mink seems to provide some good guitar. Geddy's bass sounds really good too.

red barchetta. there i said it.

 

The main guitar riff is cool but other than vital signs it's probably my least favorite on MP. I just find it kind of meh. I admit the lyrics are very good though.

Tom Sawyer but I still like it a lot. I also think red barchetta and spirit of radio are overrated. So is limelight. All are still good just played to death on the radio.

I already answered the who is return to forever. See above. I'll add a bit more though. They were a fusion band who started out more in the jazz direction before becoming pure fusion. The classic lineup featured Stanley Clarke(bass), Lenny White(drums), Chick Corea(keyboards) and Al Di Meola(guitar).

A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

 

Gentle Giant are well known to my ears! :)

 

Well, a lot of prog rock fans are Rush fans but not all Rush fans are big prog fans. ;)

A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.

 

Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?

 

I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.

And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?

 

I didn't read the entire thread but RTF is probably Return to Forever who were a jazz fusion band from the 70's. They reappeared in the 2000's which is when I saw them live. Great band. Yeah, KC is probably King Crimson and were also great musicians. To this list I would add Mahavishnu Orchestra. I don't think there has ever been any better musicians than them(like RTF also jazz fusion)but that's just my opinion. I'm a huge Yes fan and for a long time they were my favorite band. Comparing them to Rush isn't really fair but if I had to choose I think at their peak Yes were slightly better musicians. When Bill Bruford left they became slightly less good because Alan White wasn't as good as Bill Bruford but they still made some great music. Gentle Giant were another band who had top notch musicians but I doubt many people on this page reading this have any idea who they were. They were another underrated prog rock band from the seventies. After King crimson they are the most well known(or one of them at least)of the lesser knowns.

I don't think there were many drummers better than Neil. Maybe Buddy Rich and maybe one or two others. For bass players Geddy is up there but I think there's a few who are as good if not better. The same thing with Alex as a guitarist. He was never really a shredder virtuoso type but he's very tasteful and has some great solos and riffing. So to me they are great but I think there were technically better musicians out there. However, no three guys could do what Rush did the way they did it and never will.

Other as in never. They changed their sound because they wanted to not to deliberatly be more commercial sounding.

Happy Birthday Geddy!

 

This is an imaginary conversation between Alex and Geddy that I posted elsewhere(it's what I imagine Alex would say to Geddy today and vice versa):

Yeah, I don't know if Alex is his closest friend but I would imagine he would at least be invited to the party. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

Alex: "Happy Birthday Dirk. What are you a hundred now?"

Geddy: "Yeah, something like that Lerxst."

Alex: "And yet you don't look a day over 99."

Geddy: "And yet I don't feel a day over four."

The 70's have Permanent Waves.

 

Enough said.

 

 

Only it's not a 70's album. ;)

 

Please turn in your True Rush Fan card to 73 on the way out :poke:

 

I was never issued a Rush card in the first place. Were you?

 

Regardless I'm entitled to my opinion and I already stated earlier in this thread(which I started)why I feel that way.

The 70's have Permanent Waves.

 

Enough said.

 

 

Only it's not a 70's album. ;)

It was a very good interview.

Does Permanent Waves tip the decision depending on which decade it's lumped with?

 

For me it kind of does because although it was recorded in late 79 it was released in early 80 so I personally consider it an 80's album.Plus to me it's much closer in sound to MP than to Hemispheres so there's that also.

I know this has been done before but I think it's cool that an online radio station website recently had some fun with it so I thought I would post it. I just came across it randomly since I don't live in Michigan. https://wmmq.com/rush-70s-80s-better/?fbclid=IwAR0n4pCpgg3-Qr4CmvwN_WBbxY3f3FMmP-iWutoP04hLmCJIo9n0fvoDUNo

 

There's no actual voting on there though it's more like just a discussion. Anyway, I was thinking about it quite a bit and although some of my very favorite Rush albums were released in the 70's I think ultimately I might go with the 80's. It's very close though and almost a toss up.

I remember waiting by the radio for its debut at 8:00 AM. It got a bit of play, from what I remember, but not TOO much.

 

I guess I somehow missed it. I definitely remember "far cry" being played a bit. I guess that was played a lot more then?

If there's one for the Grateful Dead, Phish, U2, Billy Joel, Springsteen, The Who, Rolling Stones and on and on there needs to be one for Rush also.

I think a compilation album would be the way to go(I would recommend this for pretty much any band though).Rush has several but I won't list them all. After that I would say Moving Pictures then counterparts(in case they are fans of more modern hard rock)then after that Power Windows. After that 2112. This gives them a good cross section of their career.

I remember when VT first came out there was a big deal about it because it was the first Rush album in quite a while and their big return after Neil's personal tragedies. However, for some reason I don't remember OLV being played on the radio. It either wasn't where I was living(Philly area) or I just wasn't paying attention. I definitely remember hearing "far cry" a bunch of times several years later though and even a song or two from CA when that first came out.

I know very well what a theramin is and what it sounds like but I can't say I've noticed it on CA. I'll have to listen more closely next time.

Marillion opening for Rush

Queensryche opening for Metaliical

Dream Theater opening for Marillion

Black September opening for Mastermind

Spock's Beard opening For Dream Theater

Kings X opening for Dream Theater

King Crimson opening for Dream Theater

 

Wow, I didn't know KC opened for Dream Theater and I didn't know Spock's Beard(or King's X for that matter) opened for Dream Theater. Unfortunately Mastermind is a band you rarely hear about these days but they were a major part of the US prog scene in the 90's(along with echolyn and Spock's Beard). Nonetheless it's kind of funny that they had an opening band for them at one point. However, I do remember Bill from Mastermind(might have been Rich though I don't remember)telling me they opened for Rush in the 90's( I think TFE but not sure).

 

Well, in fairness, it was really the last Crimson "Projekct" (first one without Fripp )in I think 2012. Spock's Beard was 1999 an Kings X was in 2003 I think.

 

Now that you mention it. Mastermind did open for a Rush tribute band in New York in the mid-1990's Totally forgot about that one. That show may have been the last time I ever saw Mastermind live. Angels of the Apocalypse is the last album I have I think. I primarily listen to the live album and those first three. They kind of went more metal after that and I lost interest.

 

Mastermind had an ep in 2005 called Broken and a full album in 2010(their last so far)called Insomnia. I haven't heard either of those so I can't speak for them. They did change their sound a bit but I don't really know the specifics and can't remember much about the last show I saw by them in 2004 or so. It's a shame they are so forgotten and unknown these days even by so called big prog fans. http://www.progarchi...tist.asp?id=237

 

Like I said before one of the guys in the band said they actualy did open for Rush(and not a rush tribute band)but I don't remember the particulars about that. The only Rush tribute band I saw was here in PA(I think they were called afterimage). I saw King's X maybe six years ago but I don't remember much about the opening act. Interestingly, I saw the band Jelly Jam(who is made up of members of King's X and Dream Theater)and was wearing my Rush shirt for that show. Just outside the venue some guy told me he was a huge Rush fan. I said something like that's cool and asked him if he was here to see the show(Jelly Jam)but apparently he knew nothing about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know much about DT(or even heard of them).

Love Grows by Edison Lighthouse (cheesy but I like it anyway)

Actually one that comes to mind for me is "what hits?" by the Red Hot Chilipeppers. Only a few were actually hits if I remember right. They didn't really have many hits so I suppose their title was rather appropriate. Also, Frank Zappa had one called "Strictly commercial" but he didn't have many hits either(only "dancing fool" and "Valley Girl" charted as far as I know).

Probably too many. I'm not really sure. I was looking for a greatest hits album or compilation album by the band Cake since most of their albums aren't supposed to be very good. Interestingly I do have a compilation album(cd)by Everclear. Go figure. Yes, I like 90's bands.

Golden Earring opens. Mountain in the middle. Then J Geils blows the face off Detroit's Cobo Hall.

J. Geils Band blew the face off a lot of places in their career.

 

And btw, as a long time fan of theirs, I loved your reference......

Absolutely, as parts of the album were recorded from that concert. Other cuts were taken from a concert at Boston Garden.

 

You have to have seen them in Boston to really appreciate what they're like live. That's probably true for a lot of bands that become big but don't become HUGE. In front of their hometown they're at their best.

 

No, actually you would have to see them in Detroit to appreciate what they were like. They are from Boston but their biggest fan base by far is in Detroit. They were bigger there than anywwhere else.

 

Anyway, they were my first real rock concert so they'll always be special to me.

 

Interesting fact. What’s your source for those particular numbers? I’d be interested in seeing them for myself.

 

Anyone who's really familiar with the band knows this. As for numbers I can't tell you but here's an excerpt from the J. Geils wikipedia page. "Although living in Boston, the band had always considered Detroit its second home because of its enormous popularity there. Two of its three live albums were recorded in Detroit at the Cinderella Ballroom and Pine Knob Music Theater (now DTE Energy Music Theater). Their second live album, 1976's Blow Your Face Out, was recorded at the Boston Garden and Detroit's Cobo Arena."

 

Interesting. Detroit is their second-home. But you didn't say you had to see them in Detroit rather than anyplace else. You said, in essence, you had to see them in Detroit rather than Boston. Their home.

 

Yes, that's true. More of their live recordings are from Detroit. You can see them in Boston if you want except they are no longer together so that might be a bit difficult. Lol.

 

It is too bad. I'm glad I got to see them in Boston when they were still together. A few times actually. It really was something special. Wolf himself made that point. lol.

 

What's also a shame is that they never got into the rock n roll hall of fame. They were nominated three times I think and never got in. To think of all the crap pop artists and rap etc that isn't even really rock that is in and yet JGB aren't is just not right.

 

Especially considering there was a stretch in the late 70s and early 80s when they had respectable commercial success. So even if the Hall could try to justify overlooking their talent, its hard to justify overlooking their success.

 

I agree. There's a lot of acts who are lesser known who got in maybe because they were favorites of the critics. However, with some bands it just took way too long. Typically the R&RHOF doesn't like certain kinds of rock. Usually they don't like prog rock, arena rock, mainstream rock, heavy metal or most hard rock. Being that JGB were known mostly as a blues rock band it kind of surprises me they were never inducted considering there never seemed to be a bias against the kind of stuff they did. Look at Genesis for example. They got in in 2010(I think)before Rush or Yes. I'm sure the critics didn't care much for their later commercial success but they had to take it into consideration. Being that they don't like prog rock which was their earlier sound they probably wouldn't have gotten in if they broke up before 1980 or so. It's the same thing with the band Yes although maybe a little less extreme. It took them even longer maybe because they didn't quite have the huge success Genesis had. With Rush(who are obviously also thrown into the prog rock camp much of the time) it's hard to say also except the fans were partly responsible and they had and have a much bigger fan base than JGB, Genesis or Yes(at least more hardcore fans than those bands). So regardless it stumps me why JGB never got in. There are still a few important bands who aren't in such as Styx, Kansas and Jethro Tull(to name just three)but those bands are all in the style of what they typically and historically don't like. Also, although there were obvious patterns imo as to their reasoning for who were nominated and inducted there doesn't always seem to be a lot of logic behind it. It's almost as though they may as well put names of artists in a hat and pick them out one at a time.

Golden Earring opens. Mountain in the middle. Then J Geils blows the face off Detroit's Cobo Hall.

J. Geils Band blew the face off a lot of places in their career.

 

And btw, as a long time fan of theirs, I loved your reference......

Absolutely, as parts of the album were recorded from that concert. Other cuts were taken from a concert at Boston Garden.

 

You have to have seen them in Boston to really appreciate what they're like live. That's probably true for a lot of bands that become big but don't become HUGE. In front of their hometown they're at their best.

 

No, actually you would have to see them in Detroit to appreciate what they were like. They are from Boston but their biggest fan base by far is in Detroit. They were bigger there than anywwhere else.

 

Anyway, they were my first real rock concert so they'll always be special to me.

 

Interesting fact. What’s your source for those particular numbers? I’d be interested in seeing them for myself.

 

Anyone who's really familiar with the band knows this. As for numbers I can't tell you but here's an excerpt from the J. Geils wikipedia page. "Although living in Boston, the band had always considered Detroit its second home because of its enormous popularity there. Two of its three live albums were recorded in Detroit at the Cinderella Ballroom and Pine Knob Music Theater (now DTE Energy Music Theater). Their second live album, 1976's Blow Your Face Out, was recorded at the Boston Garden and Detroit's Cobo Arena."

 

Interesting. Detroit is their second-home. But you didn't say you had to see them in Detroit rather than anyplace else. You said, in essence, you had to see them in Detroit rather than Boston. Their home.

 

Yes, that's true. More of their live recordings are from Detroit. You can see them in Boston if you want except they are no longer together so that might be a bit difficult. Lol.

 

It is too bad. I'm glad I got to see them in Boston when they were still together. A few times actually. It really was something special. Wolf himself made that point. lol.

 

What's also a shame is that they never got into the rock n roll hall of fame. They were nominated three times I think and never got in. To think of all the crap pop artists and rap etc that isn't even really rock that is in and yet JGB aren't is just not right.