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I don't watch game shows very often, but I used to enjoy Family Feud with Richard Dawson back in the day. I saw a couple episodes when Louie Anderson did it years ago, but don't remember that too well.

Anyway, a few weeks back my wife and I came across the new version with Steve Harvey as host. We don't have the same opinions on everything, but very often we do - we both watched an episode or two and didn't really like him that much. Then we watched it again a few days later and it suddenly clicked for both of us - we just had to adapt to his sense of humor. Steve Harvey is f*cking FUNNY hosting this show! We've watched it several times now and we really watch it for him. And he's nothing like Richard Dawson - he's definitely got his own style going.

And yes, I know full well it's a cheesy game show and it's mindless entertainment. Hell, it's always been a cheesy game show, but Steve Harvey is knocking it out of the park with this one. Has anyone else seen it?

VT and the debut are the only RUSH albums I still don't own, mostly because I was waiting for a possible VT remix / remaster / refried beans so I'll be getting this puppy soon. I can't wait!

Get their debut - truly excellent, vastly underrated and 100 times better than the other album you don't have.

Yeah, he's always been on a VT rampage. But we know that. We expect it. It wouldn't be the same without it. It doesn't make him a Troll though. He just hates the Album and thats fine. He always mentions the good with the Bad.

 

I hate to harp, but if you're referring to VT, he doesn't mention the good.. any good. No good. All bad. Okay? I think that's been the point.

 

Sorry to interrupt again. Back to the 30 sec clip discussion. :)

 

I meant he mentions what he likes about RUSH (the Good) when he's bashing VT (the Bad). He does mention that RUSH has 15 good albums to offset the 5 mediocre ones. Thats a good statement in my book and basically what I meant.

Just to be clear, it's 15 great albums and one really good EP to offset the 4 mediocre to bad ones. You know I'm not going to let the fact that they have 19 albums and 1 EP of cover tunes (as opposed to 20 albums) go, Hector. ;) :P

Has there ever been any concrete proof that ghosts exist? Proof that every single person can see and experience with their own eyes. A place one can visit to see this form of energy. The smoking gun. So obvious it leaves no doubt what so ever. If ghosts exist there should be tons and tons of evidence for all to see. Yet there is no proof such things exist. If it did everyone would believe.

I really don't have any particular fascination with ghosts, even though I believe in God and a lot of things supernatural, but it's a tough area. Anything supernatural that can't be proven scientifically will be something skeptics will refuse to believe. And then what if it's something that some are sensitive enough in a certain way to perceive and others are not? That too isn't scientifically universally provable, so if you're a skeptic or unbeliever or not sensitive in that way, it still won't be good enough for you.

There is a lot of evidence out there of a lot of things, but I've seen people who don't believe in the supernatural come up with all kinds of crazy explanations and reasons why they refuse to believe something exists if they simply refuse to believe it exists. Their own mother could come up to them and tell them they saw a UFO and went flying around in their ship and she'd just be having an episode or a hallucination or thought a dream actually really happened or they'll come up with any reason to disbelieve it.

I would even go as far to say that if a UFO suddenly appeared in the sky, a person who refused to believe it probably wouldn't even see it because its existence disagreed so violently with their belief system that they couldn't acknowledge its existence. Or if they did see it, they would immediately suppress the memory of it into their subconscious and literally not consciously remember it. In fact, I'm sure this happens all the time with the supernatural. We're surrounded by the supernatural all the time and most of the time we don't even know it. Or what we call natural and just part of our experience might be considered supernatural to another person's subjective point of view about reality.

Then again, for those who don't believe this will all be nonsense, or you'll just say, "so the answer then is no?" Yes, the answer is no - it's not provable in a way that will satisfy you, at least not yet. A lot of people believed the earth was flat until we could fly above it and see that it truly wasn't. It doesn't mean it was ever flat, however.

It's crazy that there are people that believe or have seen ghosts or anything paranormal. No such thing exists. It's all in your freaking heads! The earth, solar system, galaxy and the rest of the universe is moving at incredible speed. Energy like ghosts or whatever people are seeing cannot exist in an area lets say a house that someone died in. Impossible. Nothing can die and come back to life in some type of ghostly form. For f**k sake people it's in your head. Enough. Stop. What happens billions of years from now when humans have been gone for billions of years. Where do ghosts go then? Who do they haunt then? Do they stay on the planet until the sun swallows up the earth when it runs out of fuel and becomes a white dwarf star 10 miles in diameter? Do ghosts go somewhere else with the flip of a switch? Think people. Tons of scenarios. We all die and when you do you never existed. All memories gone. You never happenened. A sad fate yes. Oh well at least we lived.

 

It's funny how a thread like this will always bring a couple of people who MUST insist why this is all nonsense. So what if it is? As long as people show respect for one another I can care less if someone thinks there are still iced aliens in area 51 as well.

It's crazy that there are people that believe or have seen ghosts or anything paranormal. No such thing exists. It's all in your freaking heads! The earth, solar system, galaxy and the rest of the universe is moving at incredible speed. Energy like ghosts or whatever people are seeing cannot exist in an area lets say a house that someone died in. Impossible. Nothing can die and come back to life in some type of ghostly form. For f**k sake people it's in your head. Enough. Stop. What happens billions of years from now when humans have been gone for billions of years. Where do ghosts go then? Who do they haunt then? Do they stay on the planet until the sun swallows up the earth when it runs out of fuel and becomes a white dwarf star 10 miles in diameter? Do ghosts go somewhere else with the flip of a switch? Think people. Tons of scenarios. We all die and when you do you never existed. All memories gone. You never happenened. A sad fate yes. Oh well at least we lived.

 

It's funny how a thread like this will always bring a couple of people who MUST insist why this is all nonsense. So what if it is? As long as people show respect for one another I can care less if someone thinks there are still iced aliens in area 51 as well.

I'm amazed at how someone can hear someone talk about their experience they had that was clear as day to them and essentially tell them they're hallucinating or it's in their head because it simply can't exist according to their belief system. It seems so easy to do that, but if I then told that person, who say always talked about their experiences with their friend Bill, that they must be making that up or it's in their head because I don't believe Bill exists, they would be incredulous as they talk to their friend Bill all the time. They would of course say, yes, but that's different, Bill is a real person. Exactly, and these experiences people have are just as real for them. To say they can't have happened is not only disrespectful of that person's reality, but as patently ridiculous to the one who had the experience as it would be for me to say that Bill is a figment of your overactive imagination.

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Why?!? WHY?!?!?

 

You fargin bastage. I'm gonna take your dwork. I'm gonna nail it to the wall. I'm gonna crush your boils in a meat grinder. I'm gonna cut off your arms. I'm gonna shove 'em up your icehole. Dirty son-a-ma-batch.

I was going through the threads and I saw this one and just couldn't resist! I thought it was funny at the time but had no idea that anyone would actually start the debate up again. :rfl:

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Rush shouldn't be profiting on this remix. We originally paid for a cd that was spectacularly flawed. Why should we be subjected to pay for their mistakes, not once, but twice? Its a real disservice to fans, and incredibly presumptuous for them to expect us to pay for the renovation of their Grade A f*ck up.

 

Is somebody holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it?

Didn't think so.

 

You don't want to buy it again? Don't. Pretty simple.

 

I know I'm newer to the forum and it seems Gemini's opinions are always hated but I mean...I kind of see where he's coming from. On a moral standpoint. If you have some way to prove you own the original Vapor Trails copy, the most it we could deserve is half off or something.

 

I mean, we're major Rush fans, so a majority of us will buy almost anything they put out just because it's them. But I like Gemini's opinion on the matter.

 

I see Gemini's point too, but another way of looking at it is, Rush (and many other bands) put out remasters of their older albums all the time. Those of us who have the original versions can choose to stick with that version, or buy the remaster. In some of cases, the originals sound fine and perhaps didn't need a remaster, but bands will issue them anyway to try to get us to "buy it again." Like, my original copy of Counterparts sounds perfectly fine, and I saw no need to get the remaster. I'm not one who needs to collect every single version of every album, but some are into that, and those are the people Rush are marketing these repackaged/remastered albums to.

 

You have to figure Rush would have issued a remaster of VT at some point, and here we have it -- but it's not only remastered, but remixed as well. Yeah, it was remixed because they botched it up 13 years ago, but we're talking 13 years ago. Do we really deserve a discount on the remix based on us buying the original in 2002? How many of you still have the receipt from wherever you bought it 13 years ago? Think they'll give you a half-price Remixed CD if you submit a photo of yourself holding up the original one?

 

VT Remixed costs only $9.00 USD on Amazon right now. That's cheaper than a new copy of Clockwork Angels. $9.00 won't even put three gallons of gas in my car, but it'll get me a shiny new remixed version of one of my favorite Rush albums. In the grand scheme of things, nine bucks isn't a lot of money. Depends on how much you like Vapor Trails, and how much you like or don't like the sound of the original. You can choose to use that nine bucks on the remix, or on something else -- like a super-size meal at Burger King, or in some places, a pack of cigarettes.

What an outstanding rebuttal. There is no original VT remaster in addition to this. This is the remaster, with the bonus of a remix at no extra charge. I think this is what any questioner of Rush's integrity regarding VT Remix doesn't consider. And if anyone still has a problem, then they've got problems with every artist that has remastered or will remaster their catalog.

 

Right, it was a good one. But I was trying to make a point, as well. I bought the remix copy, as well, so I'm not saying I'm siding with Gemini or anything.

 

The point I was making is everyone on this forum gets so butthurt about an opinion a majority of the people here dislike. Goobs is a great example, you guys always get so crazy and mock him about constantly talking about how bad Vapor Trails is. Yet, you guys are the ones who bring it up every single time and instigate him to come out and defend himself. We all have different opinions, not one is better than yours or vise versa.

 

Now, I like where Gemini was coming from, I know in the business market it's an awful idea. I just liked it is all. The fact that it is 9 bucks is a steal, granted.

 

Goobs gets mocked because he continually trolls the VT threads. If he's going to do that he's going to get crap for it in return. But I definitely agree with you that, in many of those threads, people are mentioning him before he even makes a post. It's a vicious cycle -- Goobs gets mentioned because of all the past times he's railed on against VT, and mentioning him in every new thread invites him to continue it.

 

And just to be clear, what Goobs is doing is not the end of the world, and not a serious problem that we mods are sitting down and discussing -- even though I think he'd like us to. It earns him a new member title once in a while, but that's it. :)

I would have been shocked had the mods sat down and discussed my feelings on VT!

And I don't look at is getting mocked, I kind of look at as the othe way around, because at the end of the day when all is said and done and everyone picks up their marbles and goes home.... Vapor Trails is still a horrendous album and an embarrassment to their legacy and no amount of rabid Rush fan drooling is going to make it or a remixed version of it listenable. :haz:

Thankfully, they have 15 awesome albums and a cool EP to make up for the very small handful of mediocre to bad releases.

And of course if YOU or anyone else likes it, none of that will matter. But to say that loving Vapor Trails is a majority opinion just isn't the case.

 

Source?

 

The source was the rest of the post that you quoted me from.

It gets a 3.9 out of 5 from 832 amazon reviewers. Take out the troll scores and I'd say it easily hits 4.0. That would be a whole lotta love. ;)

Amazon ratings are notoriously high across the board. That's still lower than the rating for Rush and Hold Your Fire and Roll the Bones and Counterparts and S&A and Presto. It's the same rating as Test For Echo - I didn't look through all their albums there as you have to do them individually, but a cursory glance shows it tied for the lowest rated studio Rush album - they're all skewed higher, but the results are the same.

And of course if YOU or anyone else likes it, none of that will matter. But to say that loving Vapor Trails is a majority opinion just isn't the case.

 

Source?

The source was the rest of the post that you quoted me from.

I'm guessing that a large percentage of fans dislike RTB despite loving Bravado, whereas I would say I like RTB despite not loving Bravado.

If that makes sense…

 

I'm with you, though I'm not sure that there are really all that many people who love Bravado. It seems like much more of a band favorite than a fan favorite.

Actually, if you look at the Feedback subforum, you'll see it's TRF's second most popular song off RTB (behind Dreamline).

 

I agree that it's generally considered somewhat popular among Rush fans - RTB isn't considered great in general as an entire album, but Dreamline, Bravado and Ghost of a Chance are generally well considered, sometimes the title track and sometimes the instrumental - even though personally the only song among those I really ever want to listen to is Dreamline, at least with those songs I can understand why they're liked. As for the rest of the songs on the album - (would instert vomit smiley if we still had it)

No more vomit. The emoticons got the shaft after last years upgrade. :boohoo:

 

Did someone say no more vomit???!??? I beg to differ.

 

If there's ONE reaction a discussion of "Bravado" is sure to induce, it's DEFINITELY projectile vomiting...

 

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technicolor projectile vomiting even!

The old expression is still true - you truly cannot polish a turd.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

 

I stand corrected. Polished or not, however, the turd is still pretty disgusting and I wouldn't want it in my house (or in my CD player as the case may be). ;)

Who really cares what you like or dislike? You are in the minority on this one,Gomer!!!!!!!

 

Not actually. Consider where we are. We're on an online Rush fan website filled with rabid Rush fans. There aren't too many websites out there where you'll hear people raving about and vehemently defending Vapor Trails, although I bet you'd find a lot of places where people talk up Moving Pictures or Permanent Waves or 2112 or Hemispheres (that's because those are GREAT albums ;) ). If you really want anything approaching a more objective look, go here:

 

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/rush

 

That's a general music site where people rate almost every album in existence. Among Rush albums (and consider each album has been given a numerical ranking by at least 1,000 people - often more than 2 or 3 thousand) it's at the very bottom, with only Test For Echo being rated microscopically lower. Even Feedback rates higher. Even their first three albums and Hold Your Fire (which are so often underrated) rank higher. It geniuinely is considered their worst album or at the very bottom of the heap.

 

And of course if YOU or anyone else likes it, none of that will matter. But to say that loving Vapor Trails is a majority opinion just isn't the case.

 

 

Guarantee if the first version everybody heard was the new remix the score would be a few tenths higher for VT.

Possibly. Debatable. We'll never really know.

The old expression is still true - you truly cannot polish a turd.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

 

I stand corrected. Polished or not, however, the turd is still pretty disgusting and I wouldn't want it in my house (or in my CD player as the case may be). ;)

Who really cares what you like or dislike? You are in the minority on this one,Gomer!!!!!!!

Not actually. Consider where we are. We're on an online Rush fan website filled with rabid Rush fans. There aren't too many websites out there where you'll hear people raving about and vehemently defending Vapor Trails, although I bet you'd find a lot of places where people talk up Moving Pictures or Permanent Waves or 2112 or Hemispheres (that's because those are GREAT albums ;) ). If you really want anything approaching a more objective look, go here:

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/rush

That's a general music site where people rate almost every album in existence. Among Rush albums (and consider each album has been given a numerical ranking by at least 1,000 people - often more than 2 or 3 thousand) it's at the very bottom, with only Test For Echo being rated microscopically lower. Even Feedback rates higher. Even their first three albums and Hold Your Fire (which are so often underrated) rank higher. It geniuinely is considered their worst album or at the very bottom of the heap.

And of course if YOU or anyone else likes it, none of that will matter. But to say that loving Vapor Trails is a majority opinion just isn't the case.

Why must it be that 85% of each thread regarding Vapor Trails is a discussion about Goob's hatred for the record?

It adds to the fun!

Yeah, it doesn't HAVE to be that way. I honestly don't know why people pay so much attention to me. :P

I remember all the shit I took when I told my UFO story. It was all true but most people refuse to believe in things of that nature if they have not seen.

Whatever, I know the paranormal exists. Its not an opinion thing, its a fact. and I have never personally experienced anything of its nature.

 

Tell me!!!! I'll believe you!!! I am neutral when it comes to UFOs, but am very open to most things.

:)

You sound like me- personally, I know for an absolute fact the paranormal exists. I understand why people don't, and respect it, but I KNOW it's real.

 

Again, loving the conversation! remember just keep things civil, guys :)

It's one of those areas where many people who have never had any kind of supernatural experience absolutely refuse to believe in the possibility of such things existing, no matter how many people they love and trust and know aren't lying tell them about their own personal experiences. I do question the term supernatural, however, for things that are considered supernatural can also be considered natural when they become part of your experience.

Some people who have never had any kind of experience will still believe out of faith, and that can be a nice thing. Really, however, what people truly want is the EXPERIENCE of more than this physical body existing, as that's definitely infinitely preferable than taking things on faith. Sometimes until you get there, faith is necessary. I would say for those who do have faith to pray to know, not just in theory or faith or belief, but to have an experience or experiences that you cannot deny. Asking someone who doesn't have faith or belief to pray, however, is unrealistic. And, of course, it's fine to have the point of view on that nothing beyond our body and physical reality and this life exists if that's where you're at. I encourage people to try meditation - again, it can be a tough sell if you're a complete unbeliever and not open to more than the physical existing. That said, even if nothing else meditation is proven to help with health and relaxation.

In the end, things are the way they are whether we believe in them or not. A good friend of mine once memorably said, "I don't believe in reincarnation, and I didn't in any of my past lives either." ;)

The old expression is still true - you truly cannot polish a turd.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

I stand corrected. Polished or not, however, the turd is still pretty disgusting and I wouldn't want it in my house (or in my CD player as the case may be). ;)

But I don't know that Goober will like the remix. We must wait until he graces us with his professional critique.

I listened to the entire thing, and I can honestly say that I completely (insert any word that is that opposite of "enjoyed") the whole thing.

I love Geddy's singing on albums in general, but I really don't like how he sounds on this album at all - it sounds forced and convoluted and whomever remixed it didn't get rid of the completely obnoxious Geddy choirs.

Are the instruments more separated? Yeah. Is it as physically painful to listen to as the original without the clipping? No. The songs themselves, however, are simply not improved, and it still sounds like bad demos to me. It's the worst thing they could have done - taken their worst moment and shined a bright spotlight on it. This was the moment they should have left forgotten and hoped no one ever brought up again, not one to call attention to. The old expression is still true - you truly cannot polish a turd.

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

Asking which version of Bravado is most emotional is akin to asking which bowling ball is the most square.

 

Um, ambiguity? Is this positive? Negative?

 

Yes.

 

What the goodly Mr. Jarg is trying to say is that Bravado is as emotional as a bowling ball is square, which is to say not at all. ;)

The both of you are as emotional as a bowling ball.

 

 

Fascinating. ;)

Do me a favor Jarg. Two favors actually:

1. Live Long

2. Prosper

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

Asking which version of Bravado is most emotional is akin to asking which bowling ball is the most square.

 

Um, ambiguity? Is this positive? Negative?

 

Yes.

 

What the goodly Mr. Jarg is trying to say is that Bravado is as emotional as a bowling ball is square, which is to say not at all. ;)

The both of you are as emotional as a bowling ball.

 

 

You saying that makes me sad. :(

 

 

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Hey look, holes in your soul. I knew it!

 

 

can I assume that this whole hole in my soul and thinking i'm this awful troll creature is more for the board, and you don't actually think i'm a horrible person?

 

i actually tried to PM you that, but it said you'd disabled PM's from me, so here we are. feel free to disable and send me a PM. ;)

Okay, feel free to PM now if you wish. I don't know why though. I've explained many times in different threads my feelings on the posting stylings of rushgoober. If you're going to explain to me the reasons why you troll, like music shouldn't really mean that much (yes, yes it does) and it isn't that important (yes, yes it is), then don't bother. :)

not at all - PM'ing you

I remember buying this the first day it came out. Me and a good buddy put the vinyl on and stood by the speakers. Song by song we got less excited and by the end just looked at each other and shook our heads. I felt genuine disappointment. After the monstrosity of the run from Permanent Waves to Power Windows, this felt like a limp effort. I lasted two more albums after this before I gave up on Rush for quite a number of years. Glad I came back though.

I listen to it from time to time, but my attention usually wavers after a few songs.

 

I never get people's lack of interest in this album. I guess I understand it more if they just hated the keyboard era entirely, but to love Signals, GUP and Power Windows and to dislike this album makes no sense to me.

 

That said, I felt how you felt about Presto in terms of a limp effort after many years of killer albums. HYF, the last 2 songs notwithstanding, was an outstanding album.

 

Goobs, what "makes no sense" is suggesting that loving Signals, GUP and PoW somehow "requires" you to love HYF. HYF is one of my least favorite albums by the band. I think, like they themselves say in Beyond the Lighted Stage, HYF took the "synth pop" too far. They came pretty close to being an 80s new wave band with HYF. I don't love PoW either, but they still hadn't gone completely overboard with that album.

 

And the songs on those other albums are better.

I've just never heard anyone say they like Signals, GUP and PW, but not HYF - they're so in the same vein. For me it's like saying, I love Permanent Waves, but not Moving Pictures or I love AFTK, but not Hemispheres.

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

Asking which version of Bravado is most emotional is akin to asking which bowling ball is the most square.

 

Um, ambiguity? Is this positive? Negative?

 

Yes.

 

What the goodly Mr. Jarg is trying to say is that Bravado is as emotional as a bowling ball is square, which is to say not at all. ;)

The both of you are as emotional as a bowling ball.

 

 

You saying that makes me sad. :(

 

 

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Hey look, holes in your soul. I knew it!

 

can I assume that this whole hole in my soul and thinking i'm this awful troll creature is more for the board, and you don't actually think i'm a horrible person?

i actually tried to PM you that, but it said you'd disabled PM's from me, so here we are. feel free to disable and send me a PM. ;)

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

Asking which version of Bravado is most emotional is akin to asking which bowling ball is the most square.

 

Um, ambiguity? Is this positive? Negative?

 

Yes.

 

What the goodly Mr. Jarg is trying to say is that Bravado is as emotional as a bowling ball is square, which is to say not at all. ;)

The both of you are as emotional as a bowling ball.

 

You saying that makes me sad. :(

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I'm guessing that a large percentage of fans dislike RTB despite loving Bravado, whereas I would say I like RTB despite not loving Bravado.

If that makes sense…

 

I'm with you, though I'm not sure that there are really all that many people who love Bravado. It seems like much more of a band favorite than a fan favorite.

Actually, if you look at the Feedback subforum, you'll see it's TRF's second most popular song off RTB (behind Dreamline).

I agree that it's generally considered somewhat popular among Rush fans - RTB isn't considered great in general as an entire album, but Dreamline, Bravado and Ghost of a Chance are generally well considered, sometimes the title track and sometimes the instrumental - even though personally the only song among those I really ever want to listen to is Dreamline, at least with those songs I can understand why they're liked. As for the rest of the songs on the album - (would instert vomit smiley if we still had it)

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

Asking which version of Bravado is most emotional is akin to asking which bowling ball is the most square.

 

Um, ambiguity? Is this positive? Negative?

 

Yes.

What the goodly Mr. Jarg is trying to say is that Bravado is as emotional as a bowling ball is square, which is to say not at all. ;)

I remember buying this the first day it came out. Me and a good buddy put the vinyl on and stood by the speakers. Song by song we got less excited and by the end just looked at each other and shook our heads. I felt genuine disappointment. After the monstrosity of the run from Permanent Waves to Power Windows, this felt like a limp effort. I lasted two more albums after this before I gave up on Rush for quite a number of years. Glad I came back though.

I listen to it from time to time, but my attention usually wavers after a few songs.

 

I never get people's lack of interest in this album. I guess I understand it more if they just hated the keyboard era entirely, but to love Signals, GUP and Power Windows and to dislike this album makes no sense to me.

 

That said, I felt how you felt about Presto in terms of a limp effort after many years of killer albums. HYF, the last 2 songs notwithstanding, was an outstanding album.

 

What can i say? I really enjoyed the keyboard era. There was just something missing for me on HYF. I think it all felt a little too "smooth" if that makes any sense. There was a sense of anger or frustration on those earlier albums that I thought was lacking on HYF. I like Rush with a little more urgency.

That said, I don't think it's a bad album. Just disappointing.

if you say so...

I absolutely HATE this song. Loathe it with an incredibly unequalled passion. The epitome of exactly what was WRONG with Rush in the '90s. Just complete unequivocal pure horrendous boredom. I'd rather listen to grass grow. There is NO better way to destroy momentum in a setlist than to pull out this shitfest. Remember Different Stages? Yep...Bravado is on it. Sucks the life right out of the show the second it starts. It's almost as if someone took a huge dump right there on the cd itself. Why they continue to insist to torture the audience with this POS song from time to time absolutely astounds me.

 

A little harsh but a good post.

 

Um, no. The post itself is infantile, myopic, deluded, and musically ignorant to the point of being painful. But, hey - at least the internet exists for this person to rant to, right?

 

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/batboystiiiwater/BRAVADO_zps57a2e3a3.jpg

while i think the hatred post was a bit over the top, i'm definitely closer to that point of view (and it was pretty funny) then the loving the song point of view.

i hadn't heard the song in years, so i just played it. my reaction? my mind started to wander after about 45 seconds and it just seemed very sterile and lifeless for rush. i'm cool with more mellow ballad type rush songs - tears, losing it, the pass, mission, entre nous, etc. - bring it, i love that stuff, but bravado i just find sentimental, schmaltzy and kind of limp. it's not a horrible song, it's just kind of boring. if the lyrics speak to you, that's cool. i can see how it could - it just doesn't do much for me personally.