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It's been 6 years since this album was released, and we've been through another album, the remixing of another, and a handful of live albums, so I'm curious how this album sitting with everyone currently.

 

While I think Clockwork Angels blows Snakes and Arrows out of the water, I still think Snakes and Arrows is a very solid album. I mean, it has its clunker (Bravest Face) but the album as a whole is still ranked around middle-of-the-pack for me. I like it better than Vapor Trails, yet Vapor Trails is also very good.

 

Thoughts?

 

It's a far cry from Clockwork Angels.

Not in any particular order

 

** In The Heat of The Night

 

** Inherit The Wind

 

** Unforgiven

 

** 2001: A Space Odyssey

 

** Dr Strangelove: Or How I learned to love...

 

** Schinder's List

 

** Taxi Driver

 

** Modern Romance

 

** The Godfather

 

** Shakespeare in Love

 

 

The above list I deliberately included some more recent masterpieces and classics that have a universal appeal.

 

 

Although I believe the 60's-70's was time ever for filmmaking in America -- the Mavericks -- and could create a list of just films that came out between 1964 and 1979 (Dog Day Afternoon, Parallax View, All the Presidents Men, Clockwork Orange, Alien, The Exorcist, Jaws, Close Encounters, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back) -- all masterpieces suited to my personal taste.

Never liked that book - I prefer Fountainhead. Rand's philosophy as it applies to the integrity of an artist or individual.

 

Both movies tanked -- only zealot Randroids went to see them.

http://youtu.be/xZY43QSx3Fk

 

 

Season 4 Trailer.

 

Looks good -- although it's the second half of book 3, they've been pulling threads from books 4 and 5 for a while.

 

I like the shadow in the opening shot.

How'd I know it was going to be Hemispheres?

 

2112 is the obvious choice.

 

Hemispheres is the contrarian "I'm a super-fan" choice.

On some of their past DVDs, the directors-editors didn't fully capture and recreate the concert experience. Nothing is more hacky (uninspired) than cutting/editing to the beat of the music, which seems to be the default handling off YYZ on many of their concert videos-- or cutting to a shot of fans air drumming during the TS fill. (because we all love watching drunk air drummers instead of the master himself). I think the HBO editors have been the only ones who figured out how to properly show the TS drum solo moment—showing the level of concentration in his face contrasted with the seemingly effortless movement of his hands guiding the sticks around the kit -- that was an inspired edit in the HBO RRHOF show.

 

The editing styles of earlier DVD efforts seem to flip-flop between 80's music video and poorly conceived concert video. The director didn't take the time to do his homework and clearly define a vision for the piece. I thought the Time Machine concert film overused the fan footage-- it was interesting to a point.

 

It's not a music video, it's a documentary -- show me what it felt like to be there, immerse me in the experience of that night.

 

In my opinion, the Clockwork Angles DVD is one of their best concert films, next to Exit... State Left. I felt the Clockwork Angles DVD was extremely well edited and they were very creative with camera placement around the drum kit and stage. They captured and recreated the energy and experience of that show very well. Especially the string ensemble and the pyro moments. The behind the scenes stuff, running on/off stage, was also very well weaved in.

 

If I were auditioning for the director job, the first thing I'd say is Neil's wearing a button camera in his shirt and hat. And I'd refuse to use a camera directly over the drum kit—I'm so bored with the overuse of that shot. I'd get a micro camera on Geddy's base pointed along the fret board like they used to do for John Entwistle -- you actually see how friggin' thick those bass strings are. I'd also hand out GoPros around the house and truly get a sense for what the audience experiences. And I'd create an opening segment of just the parking lot activities at several of the bigger shows—especially on summer tours. The closing titles segment would be GoPros in the cars of fans riding home from the show, talking about their favorite moments.

"or" implies the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Which they aren't.

 

Rock guitar frees the world from tyranny and the controlling temple priests but one man must be sacrificed (the guitar player) for the good of all.

 

But, in the end, we are left wondering: meet the new boss, same as the old boss? "we have assumed control"….

 

Yeah, that was my mistake when making the thread. My post sort of goes into the two being related but I forgot to modify the title after I was done writing the body.

 

Think about it like this, the story is about Rock Guitar being the liberator of an oppressed society. Should a "rock epic" or rock opera attempt anything more profound then that… it would just be pretentious. (see Yes, Queensryche)

 

High concept Rock music works when it sticks to "rock" themes like Pinball or youth and rebellion.

Hey Everyone!

 

This post may come off as rather odd or weird but I wanted to get this down because I have been thinking about it for quite a while. Please don't argue with me and say the band is still in 'their prime'. I saw the Clockwork Angels tour and it blew my face off - it was amazing. For the purposes of this post I am talking about the earlier years (release of Moving Pictures, etc etc)

 

I am a relatively 'new' fan. I am 31 years old - most of the band's material was released before I really got into them and dove into their entire catalog. That being said, whenever I watch older videos like the Limelight or Tom Sawyer vids from LeStudio I get this overwhelming feeling of sadness mixed with nostalgia that I will never know what it was like to hear those albums when they were released - never see those tours when they happened, etc. I can only experience the band in that era via the catalog of music and watching old videos on YouTube.

 

I know what you might be thinking: "he shouldn't feel sad listening to Rush! They are amazing and the music should be celebrated!". This is true and believe me I feel this. I am just taking a moment to whine and wish I was around when those albums were fresh and totally new at the time.

 

Does anyone want to chime in on this? What it was like to run out and buy those albums when they were released, see those tours, so on and so forth!

 

 

Vibrations were detected by my ear and transduced into nerve impulses that were then perceived by my brain, primarily in the temporal lobe. This experienced was often enhanced by THC .

 

 

take note, shelly, that's how it's done.

Before: Rush, as in headrush or mind-blowing experience

 

Now: Rush, as in hurry up and sell anything we can, while we can!

 

Hardly.

 

Rush puts a ton of creative thought integrity and work into everything they do. Even re-issues.

 

You clearly don't realize what goes into this effort.

Surprisingly I didnt see a thread on this so....

 

According to a Toronto Globe and Mail article posted yesterday, Rush will be releasing a re-issue of their 1974 debut album to celebrate the 40th anniversary since its release next year. The article cites an interview with Universal Music Canada's VP of catalog marketing Ivar Hamilton: .. Hamilton cites the Canadian hard-rock trio Rush as an example of active partners in the process, saying the band members are "very involved" in next year's 40th-anniversary reissue of the group's self-titled debut album. ...

 

No other details regarding the re-issue are currently available, but it will likely include a re-master of the album, new and expanded liner notes and hopefully some other goodies. More information as we learn it.

 

 

Awesome!!

 

 

Though it's not the full Rush w/o NPs lyrics and drumming, it still have a very rough and raw ballsy quality that gets in your spine.

 

Whoo-yeah Whoo-yeah…. comin' out to getcha...

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Paula, Paula, Paula… Where is she now?

I was thinking about this the other night and came to the conclusion that I would be perfectly fine with Geddy resorting to voice-enhancing aids to sing material that he can't (or struggles with, i.e., the classic stuff). It would probably be a tremendous relief for him. Would anyone be opposed to Geddy doing this?

 

His voice is enhanced via a microphone.

 

BTW - some people are convinced he tried that back in the 90's after his surgery.

"or" implies the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Which they aren't.

 

Rock guitar frees the world from tyranny and the controlling temple priests but one man must be sacrificed (the guitar player) for the good of all.

 

But, in the end, we are left wondering: meet the new boss, same as the old boss? "we have assumed control"….

Are you high?

 

As usual, your opinions are clearly stated and points are well justified. Such an insightful addition to the discussion.

 

He's now a Dr. and probably thinks his quips are as clever as sitcom Sheldon's.

I do see a lot of people not liking these three albums, now Grace Under Pressure not as much, but i do see more people criticizing Power Windows and even more Hold Your Fire, I just want to know why some don't like them. I quite enjoy them myself, I just bought Power Windows not long ago and I really like, Hold Your Fire is a good one too, i just want to see reasons, i think it would be interesting...

 

People don't like them because they weren't Moving Pictures.

 

The downside of creating a masterpiece -- peoples' expectations.

The running time of the new live version of Bangkok will be 4:20 of course -- with an extended toke jam at the end.

Even Money.

 

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Clockwork Angels is easily one of the their 3 best albums.

 

They are sill in their PRIME.

 

They've had many Primes.

Recently, while watching the live version of "A Passage to Bangkok" from the Snakes and Arrows Tour I noticed that Neil doesn't play the drum fills during the chorus. I assume that Neil is extremely embarrassed by the lyrics of that song and not playing the drum fills is his little way of protesting the song. Any thoughts?

 

 

 

Is this what they mean by fans obsessing over every single note to the determent of the live concert song experience?

 

While this under "who cares" -- they still rock better than any other band.

Not bad at all.

And for the encore....

 

Just like Heaven, Suicides should not be allowed in.

 

No Nirvana -- ever.

would be nice if Yes and Peter Gabriel get in.

 

F*ck Yes -- they are the most arrogant jerks.

..heterogeneous in the sense that each musical instrument is clearly distinct and separate from the central "glob" of sound that u hear from them, nowadays (like a nebula). I miss the clean, hetero- "precision"-type albums like PermWavs, MPs, P/G. Seems now everything is a bit overproduced with overreliance on technology, which has given the wall of sound that we've been subjected to over the past decade or so.

 

Why couldn't Rush revert back to older (sacre' bleu!) instruments/speakers in studio, then use their newer instruments in concert? Does anyone remember the beautiful tightness and clarity of Neil's kits in the 80s? Now its like, well, tupperware! (credit to whomever penned this term, btw, lol).

What about Alex's soaring and razor-edged strats (and poor little dusty chorus box)? Why couldn't Gedsy sneak a stealth Rickenbacker into the studio and then swap it out in concert?

Am I being unrealistic thinking they would ever divert from their full-spectrum aural productions? Are u in favor of my aforementioned thoughts? What do u think?

 

 

Btw, Tom Sawyer just began playing on the radio as I wrote the last sentence. Quite apropos!

 

 

Why can't RUSH go backwards and be more like you want them to be?

 

Is that the question?

 

Why can't RUSH do something they already did?

I though "Working Man" was their first story song, about a guy waking up and going to work everyday and drinking a beer when he gets home, pondering his place in the universe. Classic storyline. :cheers: Little known fact: they actually included guitar parts of B&TSD into Working Man when they played it live back in late '74/early '75.

 

 

By "their" I meant RUSH as we know them.

 

Working Man is certainly a slice of life character, like Analog Kid. But simplistic, raw. Trying to be Zepp / WHO, still discovering who they are going to be.