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Our memories remind us
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and simple truth
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in a citizen of the world
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So you still question why,
No, you didn't listen again!
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Or the color of your shirt
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QUOTE (condemned2bfree @ Jul 20 2012, 02:26 AM) As some may know here alchemy and its history are of interest to me.
Its very clear that Clockwork angels has alchemy as its theme by way of the glyph's and themes.
Its my interpretation that the watchmaker has gained the 'philosophers stone'. In the garden its said 'the watchmaker has time up his sleeve' suggesting he has gained immortality,as for mere mortals 'hours slip away'
The philosophers stone in real alchemy history, offered the elixir of life, immortality. Mortal man attaining godhood if you will...for those who could crack it. It involved mixing base metals to form precious metals such as gold. There may be gold on the C.A. clock if memory serves.
There have been many throughout history who tried to find the philosophers stone, john dee u.k. in 16th bohemia is one for example.
Did the watchmaker/pedlar uncover that which many have sought through the ages - Mortal man attaining godhood over mere mortals through alchemy, finding the holy grail 'the philosophers stone?
imo C.A. has a wealth of depth in the story line....its incredible, an album to keep returning to for sure.
edit; here's john dees glyph
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1971/deehieroglyph.gif
Uploaded with ImageShack.usImmortality. I recall Coleridge:
QUOTE In Xanadu did Kubla Khan a stately pleasure dome decree A recurring theme for Rush as well. The pleasure dome was a place of immortality (honey dew and milk of paradise). A mad immortal man...I did some reading, having no knowledge of alchemy, regarding symbols and alchemy. CA draws from a variety of sources, it would seem. Some of the interesting things I noted from the alchemy section of my reading:
QUOTE Because of fear of persecution, alchemists developed a complex vocabulary of symbols to convey their knowledge. This diagram shows what an alchemist must do to arrive at the Philosopher's Stone, the key to immortality. The alchemist brings together all of the vital elements around him - water and fire, earth and air. The diagram shown was similar to the face of the platform of Caravan artwork in the CA album (sun and moon, four elements, etc.).QUOTE The Seal of Solomon. ...The seal, therefore, represents the union of the four elements in the quest for the Philosopher's Stone....Alchemists believed all matter was made up of earth, fire, water and air. The symbol for water flows down like water, the symbol for fire rises up like flames. Sulfur and mercury are often paired together as masculine and feminine symbols respectively. The sun was the symbol of gold; the moon of silver. Water is a downward pointing triangle, fire an upward pointing triangle. The two combined form the Seal of Solomon (what we know as the Star of David). The Sun looks like the "Seven Cities of Gold" symbol, mercury looks like the Pedlar and sulfur resembles Headlong Flight's symbol (to my non-alchemical eye).Interesting stuff. Thanks.
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Headlong Flight
BU2B
Workin' Them Angels
One Little Victory
The Way The Wind Blows
MalNar
The Anarchist
BU2B2
How It Is
Sweet Miracle
Wish Them Well
The Garden
Far Cry
In the order listed.
A list that acknowledges BU2B2 as a song in its own right?!?
I've programmed it as a playlist and I enjoy it.
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In the name of a piece of dirt
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QUOTE (MMCXII @ Jul 28 2012, 10:33 AM) QUOTE (BrightAntennae @ Jul 27 2012, 04:05 PM) QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Jul 27 2012, 10:10 AM) ]
I know I'm in the minority, but I think it would be great if Neil skipped his solo.Neil does solo's?
Is this something new?
I don't think Neil's done a show without a solo.. ever!
Yes, but what if the show opened with Neil's solo.
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QUOTE (Chicken hawk @ Jul 27 2012, 12:09 PM) I managed the price of the ticket by going without certain things. I i put a dollar a day away now till my october show...maybe i can get a t-shirt.
Allready got my train ticket too. Good thing these concerts are planned well in advance.
Cant miss RUSH ever.
Can never miss
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QUOTE (The Trees @ Jul 28 2012, 01:13 AM) 1. The lyrics are thoughtful and intelligent.
2. The music fits the story well. It rocks when it needs to rock, and is appropriately melodious at times. In short it keeps your interest from start to finish.
3. Nothing wrong with some good nerd rock!
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QUOTE (Tombstone Mountain @ Jul 27 2012, 09:10 AM) QUOTE (greyfriar @ Jul 27 2012, 04:10 AM) Easy to answer:
- Touching songs (Halo Effect, The Garden)
- Epic rock songs (Clockwork Angels, Headlong Flight)
- Guitar Soli are back (The Anarchist, HF, The Garden, CA...)
- Concept album with great story
- Experiments with sounds - guitars, vocals (Carnies, BU2B2)
- Fantastic string arrangements
- Hooks, Refrains, Melodies (The Wreckers, Wish Them Well, 7 Cities...)
- Groovy, trippy jam sections
- Straight ahead rockers (Caravan, BU2B+new Intro)
- Great artwork
- The Wassermans ^..^^..^
- .............................(it's your turn to complete the list)Outstanding points my friend...one piece you didn't mention:
Booujzhe
Good call TM.
Booujzhe
And nice move drawing out the response greyfriar
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One of the details that I notice on the cover is that the symbols for The Anarchist through Halo Effect are obscured in the mist. Halo Effect is clearing.
Now we're starting to tie back to spock's "symbology" thread. I was browsing though a friend's symbology book yesterday. Some interesting tie in to classic symbols (the waves like aquarius, neptune's pitchfork) and some alchemical ones too (water, fire, sulphur) are all over CA.
I enjoy the added dimension. It makes a clockwork universe seem that much more complete and plausible (aside from flying steamships).
BTW, couldn't agree more MMCXII (nice handle too)
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Really enjoyed it. The Brits should be very proud. An excellent show for a watching world. Loved Her Majesty's entrance...a parachuting Queen. Too funny
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In different circles, we keep spinning 'round and 'round and
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Love Alex's solo. Devastating.
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QUOTE (spock @ Jul 26 2012, 10:16 PM) Yeah, actually I think you're right. 
Just swerved outside the lane momentarily!
Time for bed. Get some sleep.
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Thanks.
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QUOTE (spock @ Jul 26 2012, 09:29 PM) QUOTE (CygnusGal @ Jul 26 2012, 07:22 PM) QUOTE (spock @ Jul 26 2012, 07:09 PM) Despite all previous depth and breadth of coverage, I have yet to read anyone else's interpretation that the clock should be read as twelve minutes past BU2B2.
Interpret at will...
An interesting hypothesis, spock.
Watchmaker keeps the time. Anarchist on the cover. Hands set to after BU2B2. I hadn't considered that aspect. Interesting.
Further reinforcement of that this is not 21:12 (9:12), but an illusion of it. Looks like a reflection of a tale of rebellion against an authoritarian power when in reality it is a scathing satire (the subject of which I think I have a bead on) and, ironically, a work of true optimism. Brilliant.
Fascinating. Complex, yet quite simple.
Thanks for the insight.
Agreed - it is NOT 9:12 (nor 21:12) and really not BU2B:12 but should be taken as a random sample (referencing Vital Signs) from the Watchmaker's watch itself...how, you ask?
Recall the lyrics: The Watchmaker has time up his sleeve
That phrase contains at least the following letters: T A R I S...the "D" is obviously missing to throw off amateurs, but most knowledgeable nerds would realize the code for TARDIS - thus the album cover is a picture of the watchmaker's watch as he flies through the space time vortex between 21:12 (apparent time to the foolish) and 22:12 (real time as realized by the wise).
There, mystery solved.
Ya'll may want to print this and save it for later...
Next, I'll explain why the Pedlar's symbol is included on the dial but Se7en Cities of Gold is not...
Hmmm.....
I'm not a Dr. Who fan and I'm not very good with anagrams, so I certainly wouldn't have picked up TARDIS. You may be correct, but I'm not so sure.
Are you suggesting that Dr. Who somehow connects Rush's 2112 timeline (presumably our own) to CA timeline (which is explicitly not our own)?
That would defy Occam's razor (simplest explanation is usually correct), would add an enormous amount of overlap with other cannon and would seem to make the story much more complex and therefore difficult to narrate.
An intriguing idea, but I think it may be too complex.
I believe the depth and complexity lies in his comparison and relation to the story in the other timeline. It might be as simple as a delusional dream on a ship-wrecked shore, half-in and half-out of consciousness.
IMO, scarlet mist is anarchist, hands represent watchmaker and time on the clock plays to our illusion and perception.
The answer, I believe, lies in the Candide reference.
Good ideas.
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QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Jul 26 2012, 08:10 PM) For those of you who appreciate CA, what did Rush do that was most important to you that makes you like this album? How is that the same or different than previous albums? Good questions. Well,
I like the production; I think it is thoroughly modern sounding. I like the songs; I think they are rhythmically strong, lyrically interesting, melodic, dynamic and sonically diverse. I like the overarching story and loose narrative style. Rush sounds better than they ever have.
By contrast, to my ear the catalog sounds like it was recorded 20 or 30 years ago and the technology sounds dated (very 70s, 80s or 90s). That's not an insult. The Beatles and Stones sound like they were recorded in the 60s. It doesn't detract from the music - still great songs.
For me, MP (my gold standard) and some earlier work had no weak songs that dragged down the overall quality of the album. Other albums since MP, and some prior, had a few weak songs. This is to be expected since Rush grows with every album and experiments with new sounds and songs. They can't all be homeruns.
CA is astounding; a 600 foot homerun.
I love the growth of the band and CA demonstrates a career worth of love and dedication.
Oh...and they ROCK!!!
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QUOTE (spock @ Jul 26 2012, 07:09 PM) Despite all previous depth and breadth of coverage, I have yet to read anyone else's interpretation that the clock should be read as twelve minutes past BU2B2.
Interpret at will...
An interesting hypothesis, spock.
Watchmaker keeps the time. Anarchist on the cover. Hands set to after BU2B2. I hadn't considered that aspect. Interesting.
Further reinforcement of that this is not 21:12 (9:12), but an illusion of it. Looks like a reflection of a tale of rebellion against an authoritarian power when in reality it is a scathing satire (the subject of which I think I have a bead on) and, ironically, a work of true optimism. Brilliant.
Fascinating. Complex, yet quite simple.
Thanks for the insight.
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Rush (1974) [ 18 ] [16.67%]
Test for Echo (1996) [ 18 ] [16.67%]
Balance. The Cygnus part of me appreciates the balance. Better. Still precarious and quite illogical (to my mind), but better. At least I don't have to beat my head against a wall anymore (for now). That was starting to hurt.
Just got done listening to:
Caress of Steel (1975) [ 11 ] [10.19%]
11? Really? What a gem.
18 for
?How can anything MP or before get any votes at all?
I'm still pretty confused.
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Don't feed the people but we feed the machines
Know Why I Love WTW?
in Rush
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It is a very deep song. I do, however, think the music does portray the depth of the song regarding the narrative.