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  1. QUOTE (kid-gloves @ May 9 2012, 10:25 AM)
    I saw this posted on RIAB under one of the tour dates: "I have listed 2 RUSH tickets for 9/24 MN show on StubHub. They are one row (17th & 18th rows of FLR 1 section) and only 2 seat numbers apart, so you'd be very close to a friend if you wanted 2 tickets. They are listed at $211.20 each, so should be easly [sic] to spot if you are interested. Thanks and enjoy the show!"

    Wow-- what a bargain-- you can pay double face value and you and your friend maybe can shake hands if you really stretched out.

    IMO, fan sites should not be used to resell tickets above face value. If you've upgraded or have an extra ticket, then use the fan sites to unload your tickets to another fan at cost plus fees only. But don't try to gouge other members of the community (if you think it's clever to price the tickets after a Rush album, then how about $121.12-- and for that price postage should be included).

    I'll go even further and argue that reselling presale tickets for a profit is flat out unethical. If you are doing that you are part of the problem. It's also likely illegal, since the MT user agreement states, ""The sale or resale of a ticket, through unauthorized partners, for a price in excess of the original purchase price is not permitted."

    For a brief moment I looked into the possibility of seeing the next two shows after my home venue. I pulled 3rd row lowers on MT for one show and 6th row floor for the other show, MUCH better than what I got for my home venue. But as the seconds to sale ticked away, I knew realistically I couldn't get away from work for a week at that time, so I threw them back. I didn't buy them and resell them on SH. If I had bought them and couldn't go, then I'd try to sell them for face and fees to another fan.

    Two issues here.

     

    The first: selling tickets above face on a FAN site is, at worst, bad form. At best, it's smart, because the seller has a captive audience.

     

    The second: outside a fan site, it is not unthical in the least. It's straight capitalism. No one is compelled to buy a ticket they do not want or cannot afford. Entertainment is a want, a luxury.

     

    Is it "ethical" for a band to charge $130 for a ticket (and--gasp!--make tons of money)? Plenty of legitimate and successful companies mark up ticket prices.

     

    The reality is we all live in a fast-paced and competitive society that is more and more technologically driven. This is why commerce and the best-paying careers are rapidly becoming tech-driven.

     

    Bottom line: if you feel selling tickets above their printed (and highly profitable sticker) is "unethical", click your mouse one hundred times and maybe, just maybe, you'll find the seat you want...but then I'm sure you'll complain about the high ticket prices and fees.

     

     

     

     

     

  2. It's not the song itself that's a metaphor.

     

    Cars in general--and especially a red Ferrari--are often metaphors for freedom and sexuality. Just look at the curves on sports cars, for example, and often they are marketed with voluptuous women--look at posters in teenage boys' rooms. Remember 1983's National Lampoon's Vacation with Christie Brinkley? That is but one sophomoric example.

     

    Who doesn't want the Keys when they turn 16 to explore, to...get out of town.

     

    It's about freedom: the ability to see other things, and sexuality: power and curves and exhilaration.

     

     

     

     

  3. QUOTE (USB Connector @ Apr 3 2012, 09:04 PM)
    From RIAB:

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    UPDATE - 4/3@3:58PM: I was politely asked by Rush's management to remove these images from my site, and I have complied. I thought it a silly move since that essentially confirms that they were official in some capacity, and the images are already out there on the 'net anyways. Oh well.

    UPDATE - 4/3@1:21PM: Several of you have pointed out that the clock is reading 9:12 - or 21:12 in military time (9/12 is also Neil Peart's birthday). Also, I believe this is just the cover artwork - not the final cover itself. The actual cover will likely have Rush and Clockwork Angels written on it in some shape or form.

    This morning I was sent the possible cover artwork for Rush's upcoming Clockwork Angels album and tourbook. They come from a very trusted source which is why I decided to post them, and why I think they are legitimate. The album cover itself depicts the now familiar Clockwork Angels clock of runes over a swirling red cloud. The tourbook cover is what's really interesting though. It depicts a cracked exterior wall along a sidewalk, with the crack revealing some steampunk gears beneath. On the wall written in a graffiti-style are rush, CLOCKWORK ANGELS, a CA logo of sorts and a red fire hydrant. Now here's the real intriguing part; sitting in front of the fire hydrant on the sidewalk is a Dalmation. This is unmistakably a reference to Rush's 1982 Signals album, which celebrates the 30th anniversary since its release this year. Knowing that Rush played Moving Pictures in its entirety on the last tour to celebrate that album's 30th anniversary, this tourbook cover image seems to indirectly reveal that Rush will be doing the same thing with their Signals album on the upcoming Clockwork Angels album. Pure speculation of course, but I wouldn't see any other reason to include the reference on the tourbook cover. We should know soon enough whether these are the official covers, since album artwork typically reveals itself online about 2 months or so before release - which is still scheduled for Tuesday, May 29th.

    Source

     

    (MOD EDIT: Removed the images that USB found elsewhere. If RIAB was asked to take them down, then we shouldn't be showing them either.)

     

    To be honest, I think this is bad news. I find the cover is uninspired, as it combines a lot of the art used from the last tour and from the singles and oddly adds in the Signals dog. I know a lot of people will be happy to hear Signals in full, so that's good. However I can't say I'm looking forward to it. The only songs I really like from the album are Subdivisions and Analog Kid. Ah well, what matters is that the album is coming, and that the music will probably kick ass (if the singles are to be any indication).

    I don't think it's going to be a Signals anniversary tour at all. This makes no sense from a marketing standpoint. They used the dalmation on the 2003's Spirit Of Radio too. It's more of a metaphor, in my opinion. Remember the RCA logo? The hydrant is also a Rush thing too, and the dog/hydrant is likely their dry humor.

     

    Clockwork might be their swan song, so we should rock out and enjoy every minute.

     

    If anything, 2112 (the title track, not the album) is much more likely to be played all the way through.

     

    Can't wait for the tour!

     

     

     

  4. QUOTE (nobodys hero @ Mar 22 2012, 02:41 PM)
    QUOTE (upstateNYfan @ Mar 22 2012, 11:36 AM)
    I really do wonder if they'll ever be inducted. More important though is whether they would even show up.

    Being the stand-up guys they are I think they'd show. Especially since they know their fans really want them inducted. I've heard many interviews where they say it doesn't matter to them, but they know it bothers the fans.

     

    As much as I'd like to see them get in and then turn down the invitation to the induction, I don't think they'd ever do it.

    I bet you're right. Good post.

     

  5. Yeah, I heard that or saw it somewhere as well. It's really unfortunate; I never saw him in concert.

     

    Phil is a rare artist who seems to be able to play just about any instrument at a high enough level and and with enough passion to convey both imagery and musicality.

  6. Hi Troutman,

     

    It was meant to counter the ideologies of "guilt", "cash grabbing", etc.

     

    This is so tiresome.

     

    I need a drink!

     

     

  7. QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Mar 14 2012, 10:15 AM)
    QUOTE (troutman @ Mar 13 2012, 03:03 PM)
    QUOTE (metaldad @ Mar 13 2012, 11:49 AM)
    QUOTE (upstateNYfan @ Mar 13 2012, 02:45 PM)
    Jesus this is getting tired.

    They deserve every penny. It's pure capitalism.

    We should all be so lucky. How fortunate are we that our favorite band is still recording and touring, arguably at the top of their game?

    Don't like it? Stay home and whine on a message board while the rest of us plan for the forthcoming tour with gusto.

    yes.gif Don't like it ? Don't Go

    Exactly,

     

    Why people feel so jealous about folks who have more money than they do is beyond me. If it is earned in an honest way. They shouldn't have a problem with it. Unless they feel entitled to that person's bank account. Obviously and sadly, a lot of people these day's do. And they are the one's who are to damn lazy to work there ass** off to make things better for themselves.

    Those are the folks who believe that money should be taken and spread around a little.

    Ludicrous.

     

    We live in a capitalist society--both the US and Canada.

     

    Money is spread around to such a degree it's ridiculous.

     

    I could cite a dozen examples, but will refrain.

     

    Excellence is always rewarded.

     

     

  8. QUOTE (troutman @ Mar 14 2012, 09:59 AM)
    QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Mar 14 2012, 06:51 AM)
    QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Mar 14 2012, 08:08 AM)
    QUOTE (An Enemy Without @ Mar 9 2012, 11:37 PM)
    Greed.

    And to point out that the "they work hard, so they deserve it" argument falls apart once you realize there are people much more deserving.

    Come on.

     

    Obviously we know there are people more deserving...but to say that RUSH are the only ones guilty of this.

     

    How about professional athletes? These kids that are 18-19 start playing in the NHL already making $800,000+ a year, and before you know it, some start making upwards of $7-9 million after only 3 years.

     

    For playing a sport...are you kidding?

     

    How about "movie stars"? Actors and actresses making millions of dollars to pretend being something on the screen. Weren't the Seinfeld and Friends cast members making millions for each 23 minute episode?

     

    This is the world we live in...no-one says it's "fair".

     

    Like someone else mentioned...it's supply and demand. The demand is still there...so why not maximize what you can get? It's not greed...it's simply smart business.

     

    Do I agree that ticket sales are expensive? Hell yes...I wish they were cheaper. But do I also think that I should make more at my everyday job than a kid playing hockey or someone 'acting'...hell yes I do. It's life though.

    Yeah... I gave all of those examples earlier. The question still stands: why do we as a society value entertainment so much?

    What would life be with out entertainment? Pretty fu***** boring don't you think? wink.gif

    We value entertainment to such a degree because it is fun. It scoops us up from boredom and frustration and gives us a break from real life, that's why.

     

    Although some entertainment can be made by one's own hands, there is a certain luxury of watching others entertain you.

     

     

  9. Some bands lose money on tour.

     

    No question most bands need to tour these days to make a good living. It's a totally different model than 1980.

     

    99% of the complainers are just jealous, and would be better served to put themselves in a position to be able to pay for tickets. But then they'd complain about the setlist... laugh.gif

  10. QUOTE (New Digital Man @ Mar 13 2012, 03:08 PM)
    QUOTE (metaldad @ Mar 13 2012, 02:42 PM)
    The price of Gas has something to do with it also. Do you have any idea how much it is to fill  up a Tour Bus  ???? ohmy.gif  Never mind the cost to Rent one . In 1998 it cost about $20,000 a week to Rent . I can only imagine how much it is now

    About $1000 a day to hire a top end bus in Europe which 'aint that bad really except Rush have about eight buses and even more trucks!

    Yeah, most don't have a clue.

     

     

  11. Jesus this is getting tired.

     

    They deserve every penny. It's pure capitalism.

     

    We should all be so lucky. How fortunate are we that our favorite band is still recording and touring, arguably at the top of their game?

     

    Don't like it? Stay home and whine on a message board while the rest of us plan for the forthcoming tour with gusto.

     

     

  12. QUOTE (Sin City @ Mar 2 2012, 04:49 PM)
    QUOTE (upstateNYfan @ Mar 2 2012, 04:28 PM)
    It's all about the way it's done. A lof of fans have made him go into his shell because they cross the line. There is a huge difference.

    I give up, honestly, I really do. He's made it clear he does not want face to face contact with fans. Under any circumstances. The issue of how it's done isn't relevant. And you also miss my point. It's ok for him to geek out about a drummer/writer/other artist because his admiration is ok (how does he know if it's welcome), but mine isn't simply because I'm a rush fan. I'm nearly 50 years old for christ's sake. I'm hardly gonna wet my knickers in his prescence now, am I?

    This is wrong. He mentions several times in at least two of his books that he doesn't mind an "I admire your work" comment from a friendly stranger at all. It was when they become fanatic and over the top.

     

    In fact, on BTLS, he says the admiration is "awfully nice" but it makes him uncomfortable.

     

    It is completely relevant, and many fans who are subtle and kind have many nice stories.

     

     

  13. QUOTE (Sin City @ Mar 2 2012, 01:47 PM)
    Riddle me this then;- how come he's so eager to talk to or meet people who inspire him or he admires. He ain't so shy then. What does he call it? The praise of the praiseworthy. I simply find this position contradictory. If Neil is a fan he wants to communicate. If you're a fan piss off and leave me alone confused13.gif

    This is simple. If you have read his work or watched interviews, he doesn't mind simple, kind, direct and polite praise: "I like your work..." etc. What he objects to is making a scene, gawking and being rude, invasvive and obnoxious.

     

    Most fans can't grasp this for some reason. If you are tactful, you've got nothing to worry about.

     

     

  14. QUOTE (TheBluePhoenix @ Mar 2 2012, 09:14 AM)
    I see no reason to be insulted by Neil's attitude regarding fans. You're basically looking for a personal interaction. When it comes to his personal and private life, don't you think that HE should decide who he interacts with and what form those interactions take? Every celebrity decides how they will interact with fans and where the line is that a fan can't cross. In fact, it's the same with us non-celebrities. We all decide who we interact with and how, when and where. Think of the last time you felt like someone intruded on your private life or personal space. It could be something as simple as a telemarketer calling at diner time or someone at your door selling whatever. We know that Neil is a very private man and he deserves to be as private as he wants to be. If you run into him somewhere and choose to go against his wishes and bother him then YOU are in the wrong.

    You got it!

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