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So would these albums be released in their perspective years or in '74?

 

For perspective years I would say the only one I would say yes to would be PW.

 

They would be in the year they came out, so it would mean that the band had remained undiscovered up until the year that the album in question came out on.

My answer is yes to all three, but I am less secure about the last choice. They would still be a favourite, but maybe not as highly regarded if Presto was their debut album.

 

 

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Counterparts is nowhere near my favourite RUSH album, but I have to say, Fridge, that you and I are fans of two completely different bands both named RUSH.

 

 

No, same band, we just have differing views on some of their catalogue.

 

No, I am being quite serious about it being a different band. I'll explain:

 

I rank Counterparts as the 11^th best RUSH studio album. So really it isn't one of my favourites, but I like enough songs on it that it isn't in the bottom third. That said, there are albums from every decade that I rank higher than Counterparts except for the 70s. Meaning that even though it isn't an album I favour that much, I still like Counterparts BETTER than anything RUSH released prior to Permanent Waves. Not by a little, either. The only album that I consider even close to Counterparts from the 70s is A Farewell To Kings (yes, I dislike Hemispheres).

 

Permanent Waves is a notable landmark, because it signalled a sea-change from long prog-rock multi-part songs to more easily accessible rock with popular chorus and melody structure. It also featured a lyrical shift from fantasy to poignant socially conscious lyrics, which is also important to me. The band was forever changed from that point and adopted a completely new ethos and song writing style which persisted until the end of their career. It is arguable that Clockwork Angels in some ways was a return to that pre-1980 style, and it is hardly surprising that it is my least favourite album released by the band not put out in the 1970s (excluding Feedback).

 

That 70s band, I do not like all that much. Had RUSH broken up after Hemispheres, I would have never listened to them. Had RUSH continued to release 4 to 6 track albums with multi-part progressive rock songs with starts and stops in them, I would have never bought an album. Had RUSH released albums that sounded vaguely Led Zeppeliny (like the 1^st 2 albums) for the rest of their career, I would have never bought a RUSH album. I only started being a RUSH fan because the music they recorded on Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, and Hold Your Fire. Those were the 3 albums that came out when I was a little kid discovering music. That is the RUSH sound I fell in love with. Some of the evolution afterwards I love (Roll The Bones and Snakes & Arrows) and some of it I find less good (Counterparts and Clockwork Angels), but ALL of it I like better than ANYTHING RUSH put out in the 70s.

 

Now pretend for a minute that RUSH's debut album was Permanent Waves or even worse (for you) Signals. Would you still be a RUSH fan? Would they still be one of your favourite bands if their catalogue consisted only of the music released between 1982 and 2013? It certainly wouldn't impact my fandom negatively at all. In fact, I am pretty sure I would have held the band in even higher esteem had either of those albums been their debut. But, of course, this is just a fantasy; The band needed to evolve and find themselves and the music they wanted to create. Still, I consider RUSH 1973-1979 to be a completely different band than 1980-2013.

 

From what you wrote, I can tell that you hate some of my favourite RUSH albums and that you dislike them for the exact reason I think they are great. The lyrics on Nobody's Hero are absolutely brilliant to me, for example. It is likely that the RUSH stuff I dislike is the exact stuff you love. I find the lyrics to Xanadu to be stupid drivel, for example. At least Nobody's Hero is saying something real! But it's not just the lyrics, it is everything. I like everything about post 1980 RUSH better than 1970s RUSH. That is the band I love. I think you like a different band than I do. Both bands may have the same musicians and songwriters, but they really do sound, feel, and read like two completely different bands.

Counterparts is nowhere near my favourite RUSH album, but I have to say, Fridge, that you and I are fans of two completely different bands both named RUSH.

 

 

 

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Interesting factoid another fan told me: the reason Everyday Glory sounds so much louder than the rest of the album (especially the warmth of the bass guitar which was already aggressive enough in the other songs) was because it was recorded on analog tape instead of digital in a separate studio session. I never read that in any of the Rush bio books but it makes sense. I always had to reach over and turn down the volume on that song when it came on super loud and in your face

 

Get the Audio Fidelity AFZ-152 Counterparts CD. The mastering on that is great and not loud at all. Everyday Glory does not sound out of place at all and is mastered perfectly. Alternatively, the 96 kHz / 24 bit flac download that is available for free with the purchase of the 2015 vinyl remaster also has very good and even mastering.

350) The Day Of The Jackal ( Lucas )

351) McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) (Rushian King)

352) Bonnie & Clyde (goose)

353) Heaven Can Wait (Rutlefan)

354) Seems Like Old Times (goose)

355) Detroit Rock City ( Lucas )

 

 

356) Bob Roberts (diatribein)

 

Tim Robbins' brilliantly subversive turn as a reactionary neo-con folk hero using the charms hippie culture to lie, malign journalists, and fake his own shooting to win election to the Senate. I loved this film from start to end. Incredibly funny and poignant. Also check out Jack Black in his film debut as a geeky teen Christian sycophant.

 

 

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The irony of Workin' Them Angels... overtime! being the song playing in a Walmart is certainly not lost on me.

I wouldn't know blue oyster cult if it kidnapped me and indoctrinated me into it's weird worship of blue oysters.

Not so fast! Are there any Argentinian or Chilean fans in the house? Until someone come forth and says they live below 43.2013° S

 

I have a friend that is not on TRF who is a Rush fan who lives in Argentina!

But do they live below the 43rd Parallel South? That's a very small portion of the country.

 

Doubtful. There are so few towns down there of any kind of size. His friend is probably from Buenos Aires, which isn't at all that far south. If there is a RUSH fan from the Falkland Islands or most of the southern island of New Zealand, they would also be further south. I'm not sure Christchurch would be further south though, it is about even with Hobart on Tasmania. Still, New Zealand is your best bet!

Fassbender & Aidan Turner are Irish (Jackman is Australian and too old & Gosling Canadian (!!!)). A Scottish Bond is great, an English Bond is perfect, but I would really dislike any other accent on a James Bond actor. My vote is for Henry Cavill. Maybe we can get him away from the Superman role this way and kill two birds with one stone.

Thanks. I wasn't sure what nationality fassbender was other than German.

 

"When Fassbender was two years old, his parents moved to the Irish town of Killarney, County Kerry, where they ran the West End House, a restaurant where his father worked as a chef."

 

I moved to Canada when I was 3 and English is my native language (despite being the second one I learned) not Portuguese.

Fassbender & Aidan Turner are Irish (Jackman is Australian and too old & Gosling Canadian (!!!)). A Scottish Bond is great, an English Bond is perfect, but I would really dislike any other accent on a James Bond actor. My vote is for Henry Cavill. Maybe we can get him away from the Superman role this way and kill two birds with one stone.

This may be the stupidest list of Guitarists I have ever seen. How do you list 100 Guitarist and not have Nuno Bettencourt anywhere on the list?!?!? I think it is a list for old people. Maybe they should call it the top 100 guitarists that people over 50 know of. I mean really, this stupidity has no credibility whatsoever.

I'm sure Neil would be happy for Geddy and Alex to go out on the road without him as every time they play a Rush tune then Neil gets paid!

 

I don't think that's how royalties work???

Surely Neil would only get paid if the show was broadcast or released as a live album?

 

There is a performance royalty. So, for example, when a band plays a cover version of a RUSH tune in a public performance, RUSH (meaning Alex, Geddy AND Neil) get a small royalty for the public performance of a song they wrote. This is why if you have a bar with live music by bands playing covers, the bar has to pay ASCAP & BMI a blanket royalties covers fee. Neil would get paid a tiny amount for every song he has a writing credit on that Alex & Geddy would play live if they went out without him.

As evidenced by Last Man On Earth & Making History, Phil Lord and Chris Miller are fools who think that blowing shit up, making a mess, and wrecking things for heck of it is not only funny, but a fun thing to do. I, for one, am glad they are gone. Breaking shit and making a mess for fun are two of the things I find least entertaining in Film or Television.

This is arguably the last album that RUSH had any semblance of a Led Zeppelin sound in their music. They were well and truly on their way to having a unique sound, but there are still a few vestiges of the sound that dominated the first two albums and was decidedly more Led Zeppeliny.

He can trade official releases just not on The Rush Fourm, he would have to do that on another website is what I ment.

 

Again, he can trade physical RUSH official releases on this forum or any other, although at some point if that is all he's doing the moderators may regard it as spam. What is written here: http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?/forum/4-different-stages/ "NO trading of commercially available material will be tolerated" is in regard to DIGITAL files. Tell me you understand the difference, please.

U can't trade official releases here, only bootlegs. Sorry, that's what 73 said, but yeah u can go on like Discogs or something and try there.

 

That is meant for digital files, silly. You can trade any physical item you want. Trading files is different because you don't give away your file when you trade, you make a copy. So in essence two people could each buy half the RUSH catalogue from HERE: https://us.7digital....ist/rush/albums and trade their half for the other and thereby get the whole catalogue at half the price. If you take this to its logical end one could buy the whole RUSH studio album catalogue as digital files for the price of one album if they are in a trading group with 19 others who make sure to buy a different album. When you trade physical media such as vinyl and CDs you are essentially losing something from your stock and replacing it with something else. Yes, it is true that with computers you can rip CDs and even record vinyl, but this presumes that the physical piece of media holds no value in itself. Despite the fact that many people now believe that, we have only to look at ebay and Discogs to know that is not true.

 

 

Also, on a side note, can someone tell me why simple html code doesn't work on this board and if it does, what am I missing?!?! I kept trying to make HERE (for example) be an active link for https://us.7digital....ist/rush/albums so people wouldn't have to read the URL, but for some reason the board refuses to cooperate. Below is an example of the html code I was trying to use.

 

<a href="https://us.7digital....t/rush/albums"> HERE (for example)</a>

Your best bet is probably to make an account and list it here: https://www.discogs.com/Rush-Caress-Of-Steel/release/6705408 for sale. Most of the ones listed are NEW for just over $20 + shipping. I would try to undercut the lowest price by a couple of dollars and just take the small loss. I would think that It is going to be a little difficult to get someone who wants to buy or trade for an album that is so easily purchased NEW for about $20.

I vote Grace Under Pressure as well. Why isn't this a poll?

 

I think you should post a poll every time you are ready to buy a new RUSH album.

 

lol, would be entertaining, but I think this is the better way to do it. Let others influence your decisions if you wish, sure, but I don't advocate letting others make your decisions for you unless you're somehow impaired and require outside aid.

 

Well, from the point of view of someone who's had all of the albums for over 20 years (and the others as they were released), I only really care about the entertainment value of this thread. I mean, if you are not going to have the gumption to direct yourself in how you are going to go about purchasing music, why not have a fan board majority decide for you? After all, you've already let go of fully making the choice on your own, why not let go completely?

 

 

That sir, is a bad argument.

 

Well I, obviously, think it is great. Perhaps you should start a poll?

 

What poll? I'm not the one trying to choose my next Rush album here.

 

A poll of whether my argument is a good one or not! :dweez:

I vote Grace Under Pressure as well. Why isn't this a poll?

 

I think you should post a poll every time you are ready to buy a new RUSH album.

 

lol, would be entertaining, but I think this is the better way to do it. Let others influence your decisions if you wish, sure, but I don't advocate letting others make your decisions for you unless you're somehow impaired and require outside aid.

 

Well, from the point of view of someone who's had all of the albums for over 20 years (and the others as they were released), I only really care about the entertainment value of this thread. I mean, if you are not going to have the gumption to direct yourself in how you are going to go about purchasing music, why not have a fan board majority decide for you? After all, you've already let go of fully making the choice on your own, why not let go completely?

 

 

That sir, is a bad argument.

 

Well I, obviously, think it is great. Perhaps you should start a poll?

The Battlestar Galactica theme song!

 

 

Man John, this signature is really starting to affect my brainwaves!

I vote Grace Under Pressure as well. Why isn't this a poll?

 

I think you should post a poll every time you are ready to buy a new RUSH album.

 

lol, would be entertaining, but I think this is the better way to do it. Let others influence your decisions if you wish, sure, but I don't advocate letting others make your decisions for you unless you're somehow impaired and require outside aid.

 

Well, from the point of view of someone who's had all of the albums for over 20 years (and the others as they were released), I only really care about the entertainment value of this thread. I mean, if you are not going to have the gumption to direct yourself in how you are going to go about purchasing music, why not have a fan board majority decide for you? After all, you've already let go of fully making the choice on your own. Why not let go completely? Let us choose! We'll promise not to be ridiculous and tell you that your next purchase MUST be Feedback!

 

 

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I made an 85 song Rush playlist on Spotify and it made the cut. I'd probably rank it somewhere around 80. That says more about the overall quality of Rush though, because I like the song a lot.

 

Other than HF which songs from Rush's post-synth era made the cut?

 

Chain Lightning, Animate, Cut to the Chase, Cold Fire, Far Cry, and The Anarchist. I like more than that but I was trying to keep it mostly 70s and 80s. I had to have those on there too though.

 

I have FOUR 30 song playlists dived by era, which is obviously 120 songs. All the ones you listed made it except Cut To The Chase which I consider one of the worst songs from Counterparts. Chain Lightning holds a particularly cool spot as it is the last song on my Part III playlist. I like the big "That's Nice" to signal the end of that era.

 

The Playlists:

 

Part I: 1973 to 1981 (Not Fade Away to Moving Pictures)

Part II: 1982 to 1988 (Signals to Hold Your Fire)

Part III: 1989 to 1998 (Presto to Test For Echo)

Part IV: 2000 to 2015 (My Favourite Headache to Clockwork Angels)

 

Sacrilege, I know, to include Geddy's solo album, but I love it and it makes Part IV so much better. I am only listing the studio albums, but if I use live tracks on the playlists they are era appropriate. So this means that A Show Of Hands is part of Part II, for example. If I would use Witch Hunt from A Show of Hands it would be placed on Part II, not Part I.

I love Queen, but Moving Pictures is the choice here.

 

As with much of 70s Queen all of the Freddie songs are great here (Death on Two Legs, Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon, Seaside Rendezvous, Love of My Life, and of course Bohemian Rhapsody), but Brian's 4 are truly awful on this album. Roger's song (I'm in Love with My Car) is middling at best and Deacon wrote a big mid 70s hit that everyone knows and sounds like radio fodder for the mid-70s. It is still a Top 5 Queen album, but not their actual best despite having their most iconic song on it.

 

I would only place Queen II or Jazz above Moving Pictures.

I vote Grace Under Pressure as well. Why isn't this a poll?

 

I think you should post a poll every time you are ready to buy a new RUSH album.