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The Main Monkey Business ... ditch the lyrics and replace with a corny video.

 

But I like it ... weird Rush fan is weird.

That's an instrumental, though. lol.

Hey guys, I went to see the theatrical release of the Time Stand Still documentary and there was a scene a little bit later in the documentary where they made a montage type of thing with Red Barchetta. They started out with the R40 version and right before the part where Geddy's voice gets rough... you know the "he said it used to be a farm" part... they switch over to footage from one of those pro-shot shows from the early 90's. Does anybody know where I can find just that clip online?

It's from the Auburn Hills show during the Presto tour in 1990. I don't know what gen VHS is widely spread, but it's not a first gen tape. The Time Stand Still DVD came with the real pro-shot footage from that night as bonus material. The VHS tape is the full show and they're exactly the same source, but the VHS is far worse quality.

 

Thanks TFE but I'm looking for the 30 second or whatever it is montage from the documentary. I just thought it was very well done and slightly funny the way they did that.

 

If you liked that you might like the Closer To The Heart video they did for Different Stages that draws from four or five videos.

I believe it was 1 video source, but multiple audio sources because the audio was corrupted or something.

I guess it wasn't too bad because footage from the same night was released as an R40 Boxset bonus with 7-ish songs

Personally I don't think the "Radio Friendly" title really works, as that's implying that over 90% of their entire catalogue is "Radio Friendly" which is simply not true.

That being said, while I love the epics dearly, I have to go with all the other songs simply because there are more of them, and as a collection just much more enjoyable.

Also Fountain Of Lamneth is ok, Hemispheres is repetitive, and that really leaves 2112 and a few 10 minute pieces which are good but not as good as the rest of their catalogue.

Red Sector A. How many tours?

7 tours I believe. While I do like that song, I think a few tours could have done without in in favor of another GUP song that wasn't played much (Afterimage, Kid Gloves, Red Lenses, etc.)

So just to add to this.....Ian Grandy has said that a board recording of 4/30/77 (Binghamton) was made. He thought it was a poor performance, so no idea how many he distributed among the Rush crew. BUT, this would indicate that st one point, a two-channel SBD recording of "The Twilight Zone" did exist, and may still be floating around somewhere....

The Twilight Zone wasn't performed on this date unfortunately

I have thoughts of frustration seeing that the Presto footage was cut instead of giving us the whole show. I guess they wanted to keep the remaining for another cd,dvd package to get more money from us

 

I think that's the last we're going to see of any Presto Tour footage, but then I've always considered that to be the mid-life crisis tour.

 

The set of non-Presto songs and the performances in general weren't very inspiring to me.

 

No way to prove this, but I think when Neil went back to school at some point after the tour ended could have been an indication that there needed to find more inspiration on a more consistent basis.

At this point the band weren't sure of touring anymore, and I think you can really tell by watching the footage. Don't get me wrong, the performances were good, but it was more just going through the motions then some other tours. Even their newer stuff could have been a little more energetic then they were, listening to Presto songs performed on other tours there is a spark of life to it which is somewhat missing on tour as well, which is sad because the same can be said for the actual studio recordings.

That being said, Scars came off SUPER well, with the special effects, the performances, and really just everything. The band seemed to enjoy playing it as well. In my opinion the entire highlight of the tour was this song.

egads if the live Twilight Zone is the audience recording we already have from Washington DC then that's a big disappointment for me. I actually bought this set on the inclusion of this track. Oh well, I'm sure the rest is a nice package but any future deluxe packages I will need confirmation of the contents. I actually don't mind the idea of an "official Bootleg" series, but it needs to be acknowledged that the source is audience and the quality is not of professionally made recordings - and then priced accordingly.

I agree; Contraband doesn't really tell us much at all, and even with that label, there was a possibility it was an unheard recording, or at least a better quality audience then what we got (which do exist, just look on youtube lol). They could have at least given us the date and the fact that it was audience so we knew what we were getting.

Looking back I think it's a little fishy what they did too. If you look at how they marketed the release, they mentioned basically every single bonus included in the album except for The Twilight Zone contraband. They mentioned live at massey hall outtakes, covers (which weren't that great honestly), and the bonus dvd. But they avoided talking about the one thing most people bought it for so they wouldn't lose all their money.

I feel cheated in a way but that being said, the packaging is great, the outtakes are great, I love the DVD, and the album has never sounded better.

Took delivery of the box set today. Listening to the live Twilight Zone now and yeah it's the 1977 04 17 Washington audience recording that we already have only sped up about a half-step and somehow a little crummier sounding. Hey - it said contraband so I guess we can't be too surprised. I collect live audience recordings, so while not thrilled with it's inclusion, I'm not pissed. Years ago Frank Zappa along with Rhino Records, issued 2 box sets containing a total of 15 cds of previously issued bootlegs (with original bootleg front cover artwork). No fixes, no eq, same sources - warts and all. I can't blame the artists a bit. If we previously sought out these items via a bootleg market, then we shouldn't have an issue when they make it readily available.

 

We still have the Massey Hall outtakes and they're very nice sounding. Beautiful packing too. I'm good

Is it just me or do the Massey Hall Outtakes almost sound better then the actual All The Worlds A Stage recordings?

Just listened to the itunes preview. What a joke! The tape speed is fast and therefore sounds waaaayyyyy sharp. The lone bootleg recording that's floated around for years sounds 2112 times better.

 

From what I understand (Not getting it yet.) they took it from the bootleg performance from D.C. which I really thought they've never do. They would never consider releasing something of that quality before. (Except for those poor versions of the Don Kirshner set of which there were better copies out there than what was used.)

 

 

I wonder now that Ole owns the rights to the catalog if Rush's vault is off limits in some way unless there are more negotiations. Seems like something has changed since that transaction.

It's a rare song so it isn't likely they have soundboard recordings of it. That being said, what is the most annoying thing about it is that i've heard bootlegs of the same show that sound better then what was used on the album... so idk what to think about it.

Yep, already ordered mine as well. Hope I ordered early enough for the Twilight Zone bonus disc. It's obviously for completionists but what I like is that somehow none of the bonus things are redundant with the 2012 super deluxe version (which I have). That one will still be unique and valuable for the DTS audio, comic book, unreleased live tracks from 1980-1981, etc. none of which are on this new package. In addition to all the collectables the highlights of this one to me are the lengthy video interview about the album with Alex and Terry Brown and of course having more unreleased audio from the original ATWAS recordings. I never would have thought we'd hear 2112 from one of the other two nights, plus another version of Something For Nothing. And the live version of Twilight Zone from 1977 (which I'd imagine is fairly low quality but still...). When they first said they were working on this months ago even I as a collector figured I wouldn't bother, but I'm excited about this!

 

I really don't like that 2012 version at all (except for the bonus live tracks so I can't dump it.)

 

I'll get the new CD/DVD at some point. (I do want the 7 inch (have the original) but not at that price point. The art is nice too (but not at that price point.) so I'll be settling for the no frills reissue somewhere down the road because I want those live bonus tracks.

 

I'm going to guess The Twilight Zone comes from 12/31/76 which they could have recorded. (Bootleg sounds really bad) I don't think they would have randomly recorded a show in Washington DC in April 1977 (although a fan obviously did!)

 

The live version cant be from 1976, because it specifically states its from 1977 in the tracklisting.

 

My initial thought would have been that they played the song after the clock struck 12, but I checked the tape and that is not the case. That song was a rare occurrence for that tour. This is the other only known performance of it.

 

 

Unless there are other bootlegs from that period that have surfaced?

 

Maybe they have a soundcheck version that is of better quality. Hopefully it's a similar to what was performed in D.C. I always liked this version.

 

Yeah, supposedly there are only 2 performances of the song (at least recorded, or at least what has showed up on bootlegs). Either it's the one recorded on the ATWAS tour in 77 in soundboard quality, a soundcheck like you said, an audience recording which we already have, or a completely different performance that no one knew was recorded.

 

Personally as long as it sounds decent idc if it's a soundcheck or a soundboard, but I really don't want an audience recording.

 

Rush won't release an audience recording. They've released soundboard recordings before (Rush In Rio) though.

 

That's why i'm really excited for this release. The version of The Twilight Zone alone was justified by the purchase, im just a teeny tiny bit worried but I think even if it is an audience I would still like it. It's probably the most rare song played live out there

 

Don't worry. They aren't going to release an audience recording from the '70s. Not going to happen.

 

Got the album today... unfortunately it's exactly what happened. I

 

In fact pretty sure i've heard better quality recordings on youtube then what i'm hearing as I type this.

 

Pretty disappointed to be honest.

 

I don't know what to say. Other than a similar indiscretion with the Don Kirshner set on R30 when they used MPEGS (even when there were better versions available) the quality control has always been high.

 

Clearly their modus operandi has changed.

 

Kind of inexcusable that it was a bootleg. Even more inexcusable that it wasn't the best available one. Unless of course I'm not getting the joke and that's why it's "Contraband."

Lol after I listened to the version on the Anniversary Edition I looked on youtube for better quality recordings and the ones from the same show sounded better then on the album. And the 1976 performance sounds better too.

Idk on one hand if they don't have a better recording then there isn't much more they can do but on the other at least use the best sounding performance available.

I am going to look for it and watch that.

 

Also there is some footage from Buffalo, NY from 1980. Everyone knows about the footage talking about their 1980 tour with some short footage of 2112 playing, but there was also some footage featured of a different song, which suggests they have the full show on film (god I hope they do)

 

I thought this was the footage shot by local news there. IIRC, the story was that was about it.

Supposedly only short footage of one song existed, except they used footage of another song, which was not part of the news broadcast, so I don't know...

Here's a link in case anyone wants to watch this:

Ooops! I meant to put a link in but I guess I forgot.

I am going to look for it and watch that.

Also there is some footage from Buffalo, NY from 1980. Everyone knows about the footage talking about their 1980 tour with some short footage of 2112 playing, but there was also some footage featured of a different song, which suggests they have the full show on film (god I hope they do)

Yep, already ordered mine as well. Hope I ordered early enough for the Twilight Zone bonus disc. It's obviously for completionists but what I like is that somehow none of the bonus things are redundant with the 2012 super deluxe version (which I have). That one will still be unique and valuable for the DTS audio, comic book, unreleased live tracks from 1980-1981, etc. none of which are on this new package. In addition to all the collectables the highlights of this one to me are the lengthy video interview about the album with Alex and Terry Brown and of course having more unreleased audio from the original ATWAS recordings. I never would have thought we'd hear 2112 from one of the other two nights, plus another version of Something For Nothing. And the live version of Twilight Zone from 1977 (which I'd imagine is fairly low quality but still...). When they first said they were working on this months ago even I as a collector figured I wouldn't bother, but I'm excited about this!

 

I really don't like that 2012 version at all (except for the bonus live tracks so I can't dump it.)

 

I'll get the new CD/DVD at some point. (I do want the 7 inch (have the original) but not at that price point. The art is nice too (but not at that price point.) so I'll be settling for the no frills reissue somewhere down the road because I want those live bonus tracks.

 

I'm going to guess The Twilight Zone comes from 12/31/76 which they could have recorded. (Bootleg sounds really bad) I don't think they would have randomly recorded a show in Washington DC in April 1977 (although a fan obviously did!)

 

The live version cant be from 1976, because it specifically states its from 1977 in the tracklisting.

 

My initial thought would have been that they played the song after the clock struck 12, but I checked the tape and that is not the case. That song was a rare occurrence for that tour. This is the other only known performance of it.

 

 

Unless there are other bootlegs from that period that have surfaced?

 

Maybe they have a soundcheck version that is of better quality. Hopefully it's a similar to what was performed in D.C. I always liked this version.

 

Yeah, supposedly there are only 2 performances of the song (at least recorded, or at least what has showed up on bootlegs). Either it's the one recorded on the ATWAS tour in 77 in soundboard quality, a soundcheck like you said, an audience recording which we already have, or a completely different performance that no one knew was recorded.

 

Personally as long as it sounds decent idc if it's a soundcheck or a soundboard, but I really don't want an audience recording.

 

Rush won't release an audience recording. They've released soundboard recordings before (Rush In Rio) though.

 

That's why i'm really excited for this release. The version of The Twilight Zone alone was justified by the purchase, im just a teeny tiny bit worried but I think even if it is an audience I would still like it. It's probably the most rare song played live out there

 

Don't worry. They aren't going to release an audience recording from the '70s. Not going to happen.

Got the album today... unfortunately it's exactly what happened. I

In fact pretty sure i've heard better quality recordings on youtube then what i'm hearing as I type this.

Pretty disappointed to be honest.

Oh ok.

 

I really like the bass line in Scars and think it would have been good to see Geddy play it live on bass.

 

Great tour footage.

Singing, triggering samples, and playing that complex bassline would have been impossible, even for Ged.

The biggest mistake of all: Where was Subdivisions?

 

That's why I hate most of the 1990s setlists. They made a huge mistake when they started cutting hits for new songs that didn't go over well. I mean, on the Presto tour, they thought it was a good idea to cut f***in' The Spirit Of Radio for the beginning of the tour.

 

I always want to hear the new songs rather "the hits" myself.

 

I'd rather hear Subdivisions than Vapor Trail any day

Why? There are already 6 official versions of that, not counting the 1000's of times it's made it to bootlegs. Vapor trail has not one single live recording. I would drop any or all of their hits in a heartbeat to hear some more rare songs.

Was Freewill a hit? Never released as a single AFAIK...

It plays on the radio at least a few times a week where I live... it definitely is one of their hits.

Do you really think everyone should like something just because you do?

Of course!!

Just about every solo from the "synth period" is gold. Emotional, tasteful, all have great sounds. Songs like Afterimage, Emotion Detector, Subdivisions, Digital Man, Open Secrets to just name a few. That being said, the 90's had some amazing ones as well, like "Cut To The Chase", "Animate" (basically every single song on CP), Ghost Of A Chance, Dreamline (especially live), Totem Pole, etc.

Oh who am I kidding i've never disliked 1 single solo from Alex he's just the freaking bomb

Neil mentioned in a magazine interview before R40 that he wanted to perform Hand Over Fist but I guess it never made it past rehearsals

 

I'm surprised neither Cut To The Chase nor Between Sun & Moon made it for the Counterparts tours or after. I know they briefly did BS&M during the VT tour but I always thought that song deserved more attention.

 

Also allegedly Second Nature was rehearsed in acoustic form for R30 but never made it past the planning stage

"Hand Over Fist" is the most random song they could have brought out. I've listened to that album hundreds of times and don't think I've ever thought about that song one way or the other. I guess it's not bad but...really? That's the one Neil wanted to play?

 

 

In hindsight, I remember Presto getting somewhat of a similar reaction in 2010 for some being an oddball song to bring out, but gradually I warmed up to it especially after hearing it live a second time on the 2011 leg of the Time Machine Tour.

 

I do wonder now if Hand Over Fist would've fared better with the audience than How It Is live...

 

Both tracks from VT just kill the set.

VT has great songs, and a great energy to them that really translate well live.