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In their defense, it's not Rush's fault. The war is over, albums will be loud and overly compressed until the end of time.It's waaaay up there for me. Not as high as their peak (1980-87) but damn close. Definitely in my Top 10.
That said ... MAN I wish they'd laid off the F*****n compression and limiting. The record could sound SO much better.
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It could probably sneak into my top 15,000 songs of all time
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I only voted New World Man for weakest song. It's a quality tune, but to me it just never had the depth that the rest of the songs did.
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I'm by no means an expert on "Japanese sub culture", but they are quite popular in Japan. I can only assume that actual Japanese people would at least know something of "Japanese sub culture." Whether or not they "seem adventurous" is besides the point, I don't personally care why people enjoy the art that they do.
Alright, your point about Japan makes much more sense now, and is certainly valid; you went into extensive detail there lol. However, considering how much BabyMetal has caught on in the UK and the US (among other places), clearly there is *something* more to them than meets the eye; otherwise one would figure they never would have expanded outside Japan.
Most of your information is correct, apart from the bit about them being created by Amuse, Amuse is their management company, they were created by Kei Kobayashi. Obviously they make a lot of money off of them, as that is how the world works (every band/artist/product is out to make money). As far as your bit about it surviving in the culture of Japan...any phenomenon can only exist if it reflects the values of the target demographic's culture, so I don't really see your point there. You don't have to see artistic value in it, but capitalizing on what's popular/doing smart business and creating art are not mutually exclusive.
I mean...sure it has that gimmicky quality, and it was started as a sub-unit of another group, but the man behind it all certainly has a very specific artistic vision that he is trying to achieve. It's not at all devoid of artistic value, and I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to simply a gimmick.Spectacular show and surprisingly not bad metal...it still comes off as a cheap gimmick but at the same time it's great fun to watch.
Well, the truth is that it IS a cheap, gimmick act.
The 3 girls were taken from another IDOL group called Sakura Gakuen ((Cherry Blossom academy/school)). Baby Metal was to be a sub group of that larger one. Sub-groups...a typical thing especially when it comes to Japanese idol groups.
Additionally, none of the Baby Metal members even knew what metal was before they were created.
BabyMetal was created by Amuse Inc., an entertainment company that's into all sorts of stuff: pro wrestling, movies, gravure models, musicians, music software, etc. Amuse is all about entertainment. McDonald's is about fast food. Both have served billions. Millions eat it up daily. I don't like that food. Or that brand of music that seems more about style than anything else.
Come on, BabyMetal is credited with popularizing and creating Kawaii Metal. KAWAII metal? "Cute" metal?! CUTE.
Those little girls were 10-12 years old when they started BabyMetal. Clearly, they were chosen for...being cute. This kind of phenomenon could only start and survive long enough to flourish in Japan where there IS the kawaii culture of anime, manga, and idol groups to begin with.
Artistic value? I disagree.
Capitalizing on what's popular and smart business...yeah I'd totally agree.
That's true about Kobayashi. But Kobayashi is a person within Amuse...who, according to the article, started in "media promotion." The business aspect of what I was saying earlier is in this article. Some of the creative aspects of what you're talking about are there too. But most of this reads like promotion and sales and promotion and promotion were more important than music as art.
http://babymetal.net...hind-babymetal/
Explaining the cultural part (that part where you said don't really see my point) isn't an easy thing to do. So many things here in Japan are based on HOW it looks. NOT what's inside. Presentation. I'm not saying this as a negative criticism of Japan. Not at all. I'm saying it as a fact.
http://jpninfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/wayoftea.jpg
http://images.parenting.mdpcdn.com/sites/parenting.com/files/styles/facebook_og_image/public/Bentos_Tiger_4_P_new.jpg?itok=0NwtDRUE
Without fail, when someone sees those snacks in the top pic or bento in the 2nd pic, they don't say "oiishi-so" (delicious), they say "kawaii" (cute) because presentation and what the item looks like are crucial. Image. It's not the same or even remotely comparable to anything in the west. The levels cannot be compared.
Here are two gift melons priced at over $400. The presentation of the box and what the melons look like are what you're paying for.
http://qjphotos.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/melons.jpg
I've digressed a bit . But not really. I AM sincerely trying to explain the cultural angle of what I was saying earlier.
If you haven't fallen asleep yet... :P
This comedian's song has been one of the most popular tunes in ALL of J-music over the past year or so. He's everywhere. It's been so popular that he'll be performing at Summer Sonic, a big summer music festival (headlined by The Foo Fighters this year) this August in Tokyo & Osaka.
Here's his song which has exploded in popularity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVuX1gwJWpc&sns=em
Anyway, if you see artistic value in them and those kinds of entertainers, that's fine. Millions do. I don't.
:cheers:
P.S. If you disagree with everything I've said, that's fine. Just look at the rice ball cat with seaweed facial features and snips of boiled egg for his ears and say "kawaii". ;)
Again, a gimmick. They seem adventurous to those who know nothing of Japanese sub culture.
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Alright, your point about Japan makes much more sense now, and is certainly valid; you went into extensive detail there lol. However, considering how much BabyMetal has caught on in the UK and the US (among other places), clearly there is *something* more to them than meets the eye; otherwise one would figure they never would have expanded outside Japan.
Most of your information is correct, apart from the bit about them being created by Amuse, Amuse is their management company, they were created by Kei Kobayashi. Obviously they make a lot of money off of them, as that is how the world works (every band/artist/product is out to make money). As far as your bit about it surviving in the culture of Japan...any phenomenon can only exist if it reflects the values of the target demographic's culture, so I don't really see your point there. You don't have to see artistic value in it, but capitalizing on what's popular/doing smart business and creating art are not mutually exclusive.
I mean...sure it has that gimmicky quality, and it was started as a sub-unit of another group, but the man behind it all certainly has a very specific artistic vision that he is trying to achieve. It's not at all devoid of artistic value, and I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to simply a gimmick.Spectacular show and surprisingly not bad metal...it still comes off as a cheap gimmick but at the same time it's great fun to watch.
Well, the truth is that it IS a cheap, gimmick act.
The 3 girls were taken from another IDOL group called Sakura Gakuen ((Cherry Blossom academy/school)). Baby Metal was to be a sub group of that larger one. Sub-groups...a typical thing especially when it comes to Japanese idol groups.
Additionally, none of the Baby Metal members even knew what metal was before they were created.
BabyMetal was created by Amuse Inc., an entertainment company that's into all sorts of stuff: pro wrestling, movies, gravure models, musicians, music software, etc. Amuse is all about entertainment. McDonald's is about fast food. Both have served billions. Millions eat it up daily. I don't like that food. Or that brand of music that seems more about style than anything else.
Come on, BabyMetal is credited with popularizing and creating Kawaii Metal. KAWAII metal? "Cute" metal?! CUTE.
Those little girls were 10-12 years old when they started BabyMetal. Clearly, they were chosen for...being cute. This kind of phenomenon could only start and survive long enough to flourish in Japan where there IS the kawaii culture of anime, manga, and idol groups to begin with.
Artistic value? I disagree.
Capitalizing on what's popular and smart business...yeah I'd totally agree.
That's true about Kobayashi. But Kobayashi is a person within Amuse...who, according to the article, started in "media promotion." The business aspect of what I was saying earlier is in this article. Some of the creative aspects of what you're talking about are there too. But most of this reads like promotion and sales and promotion and promotion were more important than music as art.
http://babymetal.net...hind-babymetal/
Explaining the cultural part (that part where you said don't really see my point) isn't an easy thing to do. So many things here in Japan are based on HOW it looks. NOT what's inside. Presentation. I'm not saying this as a negative criticism of Japan. Not at all. I'm saying it as a fact.
http://jpninfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/wayoftea.jpg
http://images.parenting.mdpcdn.com/sites/parenting.com/files/styles/facebook_og_image/public/Bentos_Tiger_4_P_new.jpg?itok=0NwtDRUE
Without fail, when someone sees those snacks in the top pic or bento in the 2nd pic, they don't say "oiishi-so" (delicious), they say "kawaii" (cute) because presentation and what the item looks like are crucial. Image. It's not the same or even remotely comparable to anything in the west. The levels cannot be compared.
Here are two gift melons priced at over $400. The presentation of the box and what the melons look like are what you're paying for.
http://qjphotos.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/melons.jpg
I've digressed a bit . But not really. I AM sincerely trying to explain the cultural angle of what I was saying earlier.
If you haven't fallen asleep yet... :P
This comedian's song has been one of the most popular tunes in ALL of J-music over the past year or so. He's everywhere. It's been so popular that he'll be performing at Summer Sonic, a big summer music festival (headlined by The Foo Fighters this year) this August in Tokyo & Osaka.
Here's his song which has exploded in popularity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVuX1gwJWpc&sns=em
Anyway, if you see artistic value in them and those kinds of entertainers, that's fine. Millions do. I don't.
:cheers:
P.S. If you disagree with everything I've said, that's fine. Just look at the rice ball cat with seaweed facial features and snips of boiled egg for his ears and say "kawaii". ;)
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Most of your information is correct, apart from the bit about them being created by Amuse, Amuse is their management company, they were created by Kei Kobayashi. Obviously they make a lot of money off of them, as that is how the world works (every band/artist/product is out to make money). As far as your bit about it surviving in the culture of Japan...any phenomenon can only exist if it reflects the values of the target demographic's culture, so I don't really see your point there. You don't have to see artistic value in it, but capitalizing on what's popular/doing smart business and creating art are not mutually exclusive.
I mean...sure it has that gimmicky quality, and it was started as a sub-unit of another group, but the man behind it all certainly has a very specific artistic vision that he is trying to achieve. It's not at all devoid of artistic value, and I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to simply a gimmick.Spectacular show and surprisingly not bad metal...it still comes off as a cheap gimmick but at the same time it's great fun to watch.
Well, the truth is that it IS a cheap, gimmick act.
The 3 girls were taken from another IDOL group called Sakura Gakuen ((Cherry Blossom academy/school)). Baby Metal was to be a sub group of that larger one. Sub-groups...a typical thing especially when it comes to Japanese idol groups.
Additionally, none of the Baby Metal members even knew what metal was before they were created.
BabyMetal was created by Amuse Inc., an entertainment company that's into all sorts of stuff: pro wrestling, movies, gravure models, musicians, music software, etc. Amuse is all about entertainment. McDonald's is about fast food. Both have served billions. Millions eat it up daily. I don't like that food. Or that brand of music that seems more about style than anything else.
Come on, BabyMetal is credited with popularizing and creating Kawaii Metal. KAWAII metal? "Cute" metal?! CUTE.
Those little girls were 10-12 years old when they started BabyMetal. Clearly, they were chosen for...being cute. This kind of phenomenon could only start and survive long enough to flourish in Japan where there IS the kawaii culture of anime, manga, and idol groups to begin with.
Artistic value? I disagree.
Capitalizing on what's popular and smart business...yeah I'd totally agree.
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I mean...sure it has that gimmicky quality, and it was started as a sub-unit of another group, but the man behind it all certainly has a very specific artistic vision that he is trying to achieve. It's not at all devoid of artistic value, and I don't think it's so easy to boil it down to simply a gimmick.Spectacular show and surprisingly not bad metal...it still comes off as a cheap gimmick but at the same time it's great fun to watch.
Well, the truth is that it IS a cheap, gimmick act.
The 3 girls were taken from another IDOL group called Sakura Gakuen ((Cherry Blossom academy/school)). Baby Metal was to be a sub group of that larger one. Sub-groups...a typical thing especially when it comes to Japanese idol groups.
Additionally, none of the Baby Metal members even knew what metal was before they were created.
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Quite late to this thread, but BabyMetal are my current favorite band, I simply cannot get enough of their music! Going to see them this June, and it can't come soon enough!
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I would assume those guys were just trying to enjoy their time at the concert, being big fans. You're definitely making some logical leaps.Ummm..... I saw Baby Metal in concert last week. They are currently opening for the Red Hot Chili Peppers tour.
Very odd, I would say. The music is pretty good - the backing band is made up of some really good players (the bass player in particular!) They have a solo section where they each trade solo riffs - they all shred!
The J-pop thing is really not my thing; but I kinda see it in a humorous way - the juxtaposition with the ultra shreddy metal underneath. It is infectiously catchy in an ultra-annoying way. After their set, I heard at least a dozen people singing "Gimme Chocolate" while waiting in line for beer.
The strangest thing though, were the few fans that knew of the band - I would say the arena was about 80% full during their set (assume about 10,000 people) - and there were probably only a couple dozen hardcore fans. There were a couple younger girls that were mimicking all the dance moves; that was cute. But then there were the 2-3 dudes sitting behind my wife, friends, and I. I'd say they were 50-55 years of age, white dudes, all wearing baby metal shirts, one had some sort of face-paint on. During the set, they put on some sort of Pokemon puffy white glove (on one hand) and various other props. They waved in unison with the band and also mimicked the dance moves. While the band themselves are not presented in any sort of sexualized way, the whole schoolgirl thing with these fanatical dudes - just felt really creepy. One friend remarked that those dudes probably travel to Thailand for the lady-boys or are on some registry... I hate to assume the worst of anyone, but gotta admit that is a seriously creepy type of fan!
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Very unique moments from Alex in this song, with a rippin' bassline. 9/10
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Anyone into this?
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The correct answer is Witchcraft and black magic
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The Prince has spoken!! As always....contributing only the most necessary of information.1977... not 1978
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3 part harmonies in a Rush song?? You joking?Their catalogue is pretty one dimensional vocally, could do with some 3 part harmonies. The next band needs a singing drummer...
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Are you a fan of their stuff?
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I've never heard such a thing. Nor do I understand why being a white supremacist would be associated with Ayn Rand in any way.
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You caught me! :smoke:It's because "Xanadu" means "peace" in Klingon.
Oh c'mon :LMAO: you're joking
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It's because "Xanadu" means "peace" in Klingon.
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Zumbi, the Crowned Prince, may take money from whomever he wishes. The Prince is not subject to ethics or rules of society, for he has transcended such 3-dimensional ways of thinking.
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Oh man. This is absolutely heartbreaking. You've always been one of the raddest people on this forum, and my thoughts are during this tragic time.
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The original is "uplifting"????????Wow its great.But a minor quibble.The chorus melody seems slightly different to the original,not quite as uplifting.Ok i will shut up its lovely.
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A sad movie to be sure, but plenty of levity as well. Hearing about Alex's charac, "The Bag", nearly killed me :smoke:
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Energized Rock
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Would be very interested if this were to happen. The combination of progressive rock/metal and electronic music is an area that is sorely under-explored.
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Are the members of rush the secret leaders of the Illuminati?
in Rush
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