barry123 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Around 1984, my sister, seeing that I wished I could play drums (seeing that I was beginning to master "three's company"), had me listen to "tom sawyer" on the radio. I couldn't believe somebody could remember all the moves and hits necessary to play that song all the way through. When I went to the record store to find out what album it was on, they were all out of 'Moving Pictures', but had 'Exit Stage Left'. That was my introduction to Rush and for the next 3 years I wore that tape out learning every song. For my 15th birthday she bought me 'Power Windows' and 'Grace Under Pressure', which I initially disliked due to the major change from the ESL sound. But you know what repeated listenings do for dedicated fans :) I've noticed a change in the sound of the snare drum during Peart's YYZ solo from ESL. Between time-codes 4:27 and 4:56, the snare has nearly no echo and has the characteristic slightly higher-pitched or 'tight' sound that it does in the very beginning of the solo. But starting at 4:56, the snare has a deeper tone and more echo. Is this solo really just a montage of different solos recorded on different nights? One of the biggest disappointments in my life was around 1987, when I rented the ESL videotape, expecting to see this drum solo, and found out it wasn't there, and the video was quite different from the album. Peart's solo is a staple of live Rush, difficult to believe they'd rather scrap the footage than release it, especially since the bootleg 1983 videos which show him playing virtually the same solo are great. Edited February 27, 2016 by barry123 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRushmonkey Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 That is probably my favourite drum solo by Neil. I kind of doubt it is a montage seeing as how well it goes together but I don't really know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbear05 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 ESL was also my intro to Rush, via a cassette recording of the original CD version. Ah, but I paid him back good with a burn copy of the remastered version, wit my all time favorite Rush song, APtB. ESL is my double #2 album- 2nd most played (behind MP) and 2nd favorite live drum solo (behind DS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is this solo really just a montage of different solos recorded on different nights?That would be my guess. You're right, the kit has a different recorded sound after the floor-tom solo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think most of that album was a montage of different nights....I just wish they'd hit "record" and let the chips fall where the may warts and all! IIRC, La Villa was from three different performances...I seem to remember reading that somewhere years back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think most of that album was a montage of different nights....I just wish they'd hit "record" and let the chips fall where the may warts and all! IIRC, La Villa was from three different performances...I seem to remember reading that somewhere years back. Really? I had no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Around 1984, my sister, seeing that I wished I could play drums (seeing that I was beginning to master "three's company"), had me listen to "tom sawyer" on the radio. I couldn't believe somebody could remember all the moves and hits necessary to play that song all the way through. When I went to the record store to find out what album it was on, they were all out of 'Moving Pictures', but had 'Exit Stage Left'. That was my introduction to Rush and for the next 3 years I wore that tape out learning every song. For my 15th birthday she bought me 'Power Windows' and 'Grace Under Pressure', which I initially disliked due to the major change from the ESL sound. But you know what repeated listenings do for dedicated fans :) I've noticed a change in the sound of the snare drum during Peart's YYZ solo from ESL. Between time-codes 4:27 and 4:56, the snare has nearly no echo and has the characteristic slightly higher-pitched or 'tight' sound that it does in the very beginning of the solo. But starting at 4:56, the snare has a deeper tone and more echo. Is this solo really just a montage of different solos recorded on different nights? One of the biggest disappointments in my life was around 1987, when I rented the ESL videotape, expecting to see this drum solo, and found out it wasn't there, and the video was quite different from the album. Peart's solo is a staple of live Rush, difficult to believe they'd rather scrap the footage than release it, especially since the bootleg 1983 videos which show him playing virtually the same solo are great. Wow - I think you're right. Under the cymbal hit at 4:56, you still here some playing happening, which I think seems a but unlikely that he'd back the other toms so quickly. Think it's a fast fade in from another take! Never noticed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grover Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 LA Villa on the studio version was from three takes, not the ESL version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchmothesnowdog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I think most of that album was a montage of different nights....I just wish they'd hit "record" and let the chips fall where the may warts and all! IIRC, La Villa was from three different performances...I seem to remember reading that somewhere years back.no, they had to record the studio version in three sections. Initially their goal was to do it in one take. They played that version of La Villa live for a long time until they cut the intro out. It's on all the boots and you can watch it on YouTube from Pinkpop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Bay Rush Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'd be surprised if any of Neil's recorded solos are pieced together. It's possible, but I don't see why they would do that. I doubt Neil would even allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30... Yeah, I knew I heard something like that somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30...Do have a link to where you read this? Answered my own question: Tracks 1-3 and 8-13 of the original vinyl were recorded in Canada during the Moving Pictures tour, while tracks 4-7 were recorded in the UK during the Permanent Waves tour. http://rush.wikia.com/wiki/Exit...Stage_Left Edited March 2, 2016 by goose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30...Do have a link to where you read this? Can you hear what sounds like a splice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30...Do have a link to where you read this? Can you hear what sounds like a splice?Apparently it would be between parts 3 & 4 (3:32-ish), and 7 & 8(7:39-ish), if it's noticeable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e14ublpOG8 Edited March 2, 2016 by goose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfwayToGone Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's also been talked about that in contrast to ATWAS where it was basically unedited live tape, on ESL they went back in the studio and fixed every little imperfection until it doesn't really feel like a live album anymore. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's also been talked about that in contrast to ATWAS where it was basically unedited live tape, on ESL they went back in the studio and fixed every little imperfection until it doesn't really feel like a live album anymore. Listen to the volume swells in By-tor (Of the Battle), let us know if you think you hear a second guitar ghosting in the background. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaminbenb Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's also been talked about that in contrast to ATWAS where it was basically unedited live tape, on ESL they went back in the studio and fixed every little imperfection until it doesn't really feel like a live album anymore. Listen to the volume swells in By-tor (Of the Battle), let us know if you think you hear a second guitar ghosting in the background. :) I think ATWAS was just the best take of the three nights... I think there was something printed years back stating that the best take in 2112 was when Neil's snares fell off his drum, but the take was SO GOOD that they kept it... E...SL was purportedly also a punch in convention for wrong notes on good takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's also been talked about that in contrast to ATWAS where it was basically unedited live tape, on ESL they went back in the studio and fixed every little imperfection until it doesn't really feel like a live album anymore. Listen to the volume swells in By-tor (Of the Battle), let us know if you think you hear a second guitar ghosting in the background. :) I think ATWAS was just the best take of the three nights... I think there was something printed years back stating that the best take in 2112 was when Neil's snares fell off his drum, but the take was SO GOOD that they kept it... E...SL was purportedly also a punch in convention for wrong notes on good takes. There's definitely an edit at the start of the 2112 solo. It's either from different night or a guitar punch-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coventry Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 LA Villa on the studio version was from three takes, not the ESL version. No, it was not. The studio version of "La Villa" was recorded in one take, though as the band has repeatedly pointed out, it took them forty tries to nail it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coventry Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) La Villa from ESL was spliced together from 2 different nights. To me it`s quite noticeable at 3:30...Do have a link to where you read this? Can you hear what sounds like a splice?Apparently it would be between parts 3 & 4 (3:32-ish), and 7 & 8(7:39-ish), if it's noticeable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e14ublpOG8 At 3:33 there's what sounds to be an extra hi-hat chick on the upbeat; Neil doesn't play it again the entire transition section. Edited March 4, 2016 by coventry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 LA Villa on the studio version was from three takes, not the ESL version. No, it was not. The studio version of "La Villa" was recorded in one take, though as the band has repeatedly pointed out, it took them forty tries to nail it.Myth. Ged is quoted as jokingly saying that, but it's been pretty well established that it was recorded in parts. Two parts are said to have been single takes, with the rest put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coventry Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) LA Villa on the studio version was from three takes, not the ESL version. No, it was not. The studio version of "La Villa" was recorded in one take, though as the band has repeatedly pointed out, it took them forty tries to nail it.Myth. Ged is quoted as jokingly saying that, but it's been pretty well established that it was recorded in parts. Two parts are said to have been single takes, with the rest put together. Crap; you mean I've been going around spreading misinformation and fanboi lies? Found this, tho. http://rushvault.com...lla-strangiato/ Which more or less corroborates what you say. Edited March 4, 2016 by coventry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfwayToGone Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 My recollection is that they said they were determined to record the entire song in one take, but eventually had to settle for recording it in three parts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 My recollection is that they said they were determined to record the entire song in one take, but eventually had to settle for recording it in three parts.Pretty much this. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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