Legacy if T4E Marked the End

[JARG]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

I didn't mean to insult your favorite casino rockers, but stuff like styx and starship and even bands I love like blue oyster cult are seen as lame "dinosaur" rock by a lot of people. nothing any of us can do about it. rush have managed to separate themselves from that image and stay semi-relevant and respected. I'm sorry your other favorite bands haven't been able to.

 

REO Speedwagon and Styx were never considered anything but lame, even in their heyday

 

Not by the people I hung out with. REO and Styx were huge in the 70s. While I was never a Styx fan, I played the shit out of REO's You Get What You Play For.

[bathory]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

my parents' music was queens of the stone age, tool, L7, white stripes. they were never into prog - couldn't see past the glitter, the capes, the honeydew. getting into Genesis was the only way to "rebel" unless I decided to get into kanye, and I wasn't gonna listen to bad music to "stick it to the man"

 

Rock just ain't dominant anymore. there are still underground bands that are good, but every young rock fan has to travel back in time occasionally to hear something decent. wish it wasn't like that but hey, if I haven't heard it, it is "new music"

[JARG]

nm Edited November 23, 2015 by JARG

[JARG]

r40 and CA are good notes to end on. pressing on post-hiatus led to the documentary and TV/movie appearances that helped inject some new life into rush's fanbase... not that I give a shit what people think about rush because I'd like them either way, but rush in the past 6 or 7 years have become "cool" and I think it really helped their overall "legacy", because when I first got into them in 2008-ish right before the documentary and "slappin da bass" and all that shit, rush were generally seen as on the same level as, well, most people here like those bands, but stuff like styx and asia are seen as jokes by a lot of music fans, and rush was always lumped into that category by people who didn't know better. now you've got bands coming out every week eager to namedrop rush as an influence, "hip" bands like tool and smashing pumpkins, and I think a lot of people who had previously written off rush as dinosaur rock gave them the attention they deserved.

 

I even had a high school teacher who was in his 30's who had always kinda been snobby towards rush until the documentary came out and he started checking out their albums and realized they were f***ing amazing. you had to film bastille day and put it all over VH1 and netflix for some of these fools to get it. so no, even if I'd never gotten to see them live, I wouldn't say they'd be better off calling it quits after T4E.

 

really, the best thing to help rush's legacy would've been for one of them to die after moving pictures. guys like cobain and hendrix died in their prime and they're f***ing untouchable. but the next best thing would've been to retire now. to go out after a lackluster record like T4E would've just made them look bad.

 

of course, this is just me assuming that the documentary wouldn't have existed if they'd split after T4E, but one of the best parts of the documentary, to me and a lot of viewers anyway, was the idea that rush always persevere... "his family died and... the end!" would've been a bummer and a lame note to go out on. the fact that neil went on this "spiritual journey" or whatever the f**k to clear his head and go through mourning just added an extra layer of coolness to rush, and it was inspiring that these men in their 50s still listened to new music, were still excited (at that point in time) about making music, and it gave rush something that the other "dad's favorites"-type bands lacked.

 

jesus, what a long f***ing post

 

I love how you assume to speak for people about music from years before you were born.

 

Easy now. If I had a son, he'd presume just like bathory. :)

 

I hate to break it to all you people who think "I can't fight this feeling anymore" is a more important rock song than "smells like teen spirit" but....

It's not even close. REO had their moment in the sun, but it was all over for them by 1980.

Hi-Infidelity went toe to toe with Moving Pictures during the Summer of '81. The album was a huge success.

I know. And I know they had a string of MTV hits in the 80s. I guess I was speaking more personally.

[JARG]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

I've liked that point every time you've made it. That said, Glenn Miller's In The Mood is a song I've appreciated for many years now. ;)

[Jomboni]

I became a fan during their hiatus so I am obviously glad they got back together. I didn't think I'd ever get to see them, and I ended up seeing them 6 times. With the CA & R40 they pulled out a ton of my "must see" songs, so I have no complaints. And CA has held up for me very well, I think it's their best album since Power Windows.

 

I think this album & the R40 tour is the perfect one to go out on. While Geddy sounded better on this tour than the last 2, he still sounded rough. It's not bad in the moment because everybody is singing along. But it's noticable on the DVD. I still love it but I wouldn't play one of the recent live albums to somebody who wasn't already a fan. The playing is still great from all 3 of them though, and I'd love for them to keep going if he could still hit the notes, or even if he reworked the songs into a lower register. But now, it seems like even doing that is hard for some songs.

 

I don't fault the guy obviously, and I think he sounds as good as can be expected for a 62 year old trying to sing songs from 40 years ago, but at the same time you gotta know when to fold 'em.

[goose]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

I've liked that point every time you've made it. That said, Glenn Miller's In The Mood is a song I've appreciated for many years now. ;)

I love the old swing stuff, and grew up listening to the original 78s. I don't think about that music as often, but they - along with Elvis, Johnny Cash and other - took up as much of my early listening years as 60's and 70's rock did. From my grandma's basement, "Ricki-Tiki" is a song that sticks in my head. "In a ricki-tik house on a ricki-tik street..." is how it started. I'll have to look it up.

[JohnnyBlaze]

I became a fan during their hiatus so I am obviously glad they got back together. I didn't think I'd ever get to see them, and I ended up seeing them 6 times. With the CA & R40 they pulled out a ton of my "must see" songs, so I have no complaints. And CA has held up for me very well, I think it's their best album since Power Windows.

 

I think this album & the R40 tour is the perfect one to go out on. While Geddy sounded better on this tour than the last 2, he still sounded rough. It's not bad in the moment because everybody is singing along. But it's noticable on the DVD. I still love it but I wouldn't play one of the recent live albums to somebody who wasn't already a fan. The playing is still great from all 3 of them though, and I'd love for them to keep going if he could still hit the notes, or even if he reworked the songs into a lower register. But now, it seems like even doing that is hard for some songs.

 

I don't fault the guy obviously, and I think he sounds as good as can be expected for a 62 year old trying to sing songs from 40 years ago, but at the same time you gotta know when to fold 'em.

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[Segue Myles]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

[AnEggplant]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

 

Pretty much, although I do think pop music was much better in the 70s/80s.

[JohnnyBlaze]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

[Segue Myles]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

 

Pretty much, although I do think pop music was much better in the 70s/80s.

 

Some of the worst pop came from those decades as well! Ignore the classics, pick up some random hit compilations: so much dreck!

 

Same goes for today as well!

[Segue Myles]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

 

Exactly! I love seventies prog and hard rock, but most pop and disco makes me want retch. And all that Steely Dan type of elevator music makes me angry bored!

 

Eighties had some horrific trends in music as well!

 

Nineties was actually an amazing decade for alternative rock and metal, but it seems uncool to admit that here. And 2000 onwards has seen some great bands emerge, many who take the template of seventies best aspects, but infused with subsequent decades influences to create real masterpieces! Muse, Nightwish, Alter Bridge, Arcade Fire, White Stripes, Opeth, Mastodon, Porcupine Tree, Fleet Foxes, Queens Of The Stone Age...so many AMAZING bands have hit the radios all over the world, but everyone likes to cling too a few dreadful pop stars and claim "music lost its way".

 

...lazy...

[bluefox4000]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

 

Yea.......and if anybody cared to look. There is always good music out there. As for the generational bull. i hated my generations music. All that grunge and stuff. i genuinely prefer music these days.

 

Yes even some modern pop.

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

 

Yea.......and if anybody cared to look. There is always good music out there. As for the generational bull. i hated my generations music. All that grunge and stuff. i genuinely prefer music these days.

 

Yes even some modern pop.

 

Mick

Agreed!

 

And I would take Justin Bieber over Gary Glitter any day of the week.

 

Taylor Swift or Olivia Newton John? Taylor.

 

Heck, I would probably even take Alter Bridge over Rush haha!

[Lorraine]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

[bluefox4000]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

 

Yea.......and if anybody cared to look. There is always good music out there. As for the generational bull. i hated my generations music. All that grunge and stuff. i genuinely prefer music these days.

 

Yes even some modern pop.

 

Mick

Agreed!

 

And I would take Justin Bieber over Gary Glitter any day of the week.

 

Taylor Swift or Olivia Newton John? Taylor.

 

Heck, I would probably even take Alter Bridge over Rush haha!

 

Blasphomous statement upcoming.

 

i dig Bieber's new single. and i allways hated his music, lol

 

Mick

[Segue Myles]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

CA sold so many copies in the UK as part of the Classic Rock magazine fan that had it qualified for chart status, it would have been number one. It was one of the best reviewed albums of 2012, and it won over a whole new audience of young fans (me included), so I disagree with that!

[Segue Myles]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

You know, I always hated that "that's not real music, we had it better" saying. I heard it 25 years ago as a teen. I hear it these days. It seems kind of snobby. And blind. The truth that everyone knows is that every generation has had steaming piles of shit music. It'll always be that way. But I can't say a specific generation of music is better than another...only that I LIKE one more than another.

 

Yea.......and if anybody cared to look. There is always good music out there. As for the generational bull. i hated my generations music. All that grunge and stuff. i genuinely prefer music these days.

 

Yes even some modern pop.

 

Mick

Agreed!

 

And I would take Justin Bieber over Gary Glitter any day of the week.

 

Taylor Swift or Olivia Newton John? Taylor.

 

Heck, I would probably even take Alter Bridge over Rush haha!

 

Blasphomous statement upcoming.

 

i dig Bieber's new single. and i allways hated his music, lol

 

Mick

 

*quietly, but publicly, agrees*

[Lorraine]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

John Rogers, never mind. It's early and the brain is on dull and sluggish. Finally figured out it means rock and roll hall of fame.

[JARG]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

John Rogers, never mind. It's early and the brain is on dull and sluggish. Finally figured out it means rock and roll hall of fame.

 

Good job on figuring it out! And remember, Google can often answer your questions faster than TRFers.

[Lorraine]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

John Rogers, never mind. It's early and the brain is on dull and sluggish. Finally figured out it means rock and roll hall of fame.

 

Good job on figuring it out! And remember, Google can often answer your questions faster than TRFers.

Don't forget I didn't grow up with having the ability to have any and all questions answered at my fingertips. My brain isn't geared toward google. When I ask on here, it is not because I am lazy. It is because I don't think to make use of the computer to get my answer.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Lorraine

[JARG]

Imagine if you will a world in which RUSH made no new music after T4E. Neil went full on hermit mode. What would the band's legacy be? RR HOF? What would Geddy and Alex have done? Would TRF exist?

 

How would you feel aboot the band?

 

Eh? What's this RR HOF mean??

 

I think Rush would be bigger today than they are if they had called it a day after T4E.

 

TRF would still exist.

John Rogers, never mind. It's early and the brain is on dull and sluggish. Finally figured out it means rock and roll hall of fame.

 

Good job on figuring it out! And remember, Google can often answer your questions faster than TRFers.

Don't forget I didn't grow up with having the ability to have any and all questions answered at my fingertips. My brain isn't geared toward google. When I ask on here, it is not because I am lazy. It is because I don't think to make use of the computer to get my answer.

Hence my friendly "pro tip".

Edited November 23, 2015 by JARG

[AnEggplant]

I feel sorry for kids today who don't really have their own generational music. Not their fault really, just a cultural thing. But when I hear about teenagers or people in their early '20s getting into Rush or Pink Floyd or whatever I always imagine an alternative universe where, as a teenager in the '70s, I was buying Glenn Miller and Bing Crosby records instead of Zeppelin and The Clash. That's the unfortunate world these kids live in; listening to the music of their parents or grandparents, bands that had their heyday long before they were born.

 

Many of us listen too a lot of modern stuff, but don't bother mentioning it as so many older ones go "that's not real music we had it better", so meh.

 

Pretty much, although I do think pop music was much better in the 70s/80s.

 

Some of the worst pop came from those decades as well! Ignore the classics, pick up some random hit compilations: so much dreck!

 

Same goes for today as well!

 

I agree, but there is NOTHING I like from the most famous Pop artists now (Nikki Minaj, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc.) At least artists back then had to put at least a little effort into their music, now it's just built on a computer with the "artists" name and face slapped on the cover.

[Slim]

Slim-youre obviously out of touch with what's popular. I am too, but my brother teaches guitar to young kids, so he knows what they listen to and what they want to learn. It's like every other generation. if someone in their household (older sibling or parents) listened to a lot of music, they eventually come around to a fondness for what they were raised on, but at some point they all get into whatever everyone else their age is listening to, like the latest boy band if it's a girl, or the latest rapper or hip hop or commercial rock. We had the Bay City Rollers, Shaun Cassidy, etc. and the girls now have One Direction.

 

Oh I appreciate that not all kids listen to Zeppelin, the Beatles, Floyd et al, though it's much more common for kids to get into the music of their parents than it was when I was 17.

 

But even One Direction, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith et al are not really dramatically different from the music of 40 or 50 years ago, in the way that (say) the Pistols were different from Dean Martin or Sinatra, artists that came before them only three decades previously.