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We were scheduled to go to the US at the end of September to attend my cousin's daughter's wedding in Missouri, then on for a bunch of days in Vegas.

We knew it wasn't going to happen as the US Govt. has revoked all ESTA's (visa waiver) meaning that we physically couldn't enter the country even if the flights were on.

Yesterday we got word from the airline that the flights were cancelled - at least that means we will get a refund.

We were so looking forward to the trip but I guess we have to wait until better times.

 

That sucks!!! Hate that ESTA crap too!

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We were scheduled to go to the US at the end of September to attend my cousin's daughter's wedding in Missouri, then on for a bunch of days in Vegas.

We knew it wasn't going to happen as the US Govt. has revoked all ESTA's (visa waiver) meaning that we physically couldn't enter the country even if the flights were on.

Yesterday we got word from the airline that the flights were cancelled - at least that means we will get a refund.

We were so looking forward to the trip but I guess we have to wait until better times.

 

Aw.... :(

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I miss being able to be on here during the day. By the time I get here, most of the members are in bed. Used to spend 8 hours here; now I'm here a bit over an hour and I'm so tired and worn out. Edited by Lorraine
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I miss being able to be on here during the day. By the time I get here, most of the members are in bed. Used to spend 8 hours here; now I'm here a bit over an hour and I'm so tired and worn out.

 

:hug2:

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We were scheduled to go to the US at the end of September to attend my cousin's daughter's wedding in Missouri, then on for a bunch of days in Vegas.

We knew it wasn't going to happen as the US Govt. has revoked all ESTA's (visa waiver) meaning that we physically couldn't enter the country even if the flights were on.

Yesterday we got word from the airline that the flights were cancelled - at least that means we will get a refund.

We were so looking forward to the trip but I guess we have to wait until better times.

 

You just let me know where in Missouri, and I'll pop round for the wedding in your stead. I love weddings! I don't suppose there's an open bar at the reception? :cheers:

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I miss being able to be on here during the day. By the time I get here, most of the members are in bed. Used to spend 8 hours here; now I'm here a bit over an hour and I'm so tired and worn out.

 

Hugs to you, Lorraine! Sending prayers for your situation. :hug2:

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We were scheduled to go to the US at the end of September to attend my cousin's daughter's wedding in Missouri, then on for a bunch of days in Vegas.

We knew it wasn't going to happen as the US Govt. has revoked all ESTA's (visa waiver) meaning that we physically couldn't enter the country even if the flights were on.

Yesterday we got word from the airline that the flights were cancelled - at least that means we will get a refund.

We were so looking forward to the trip but I guess we have to wait until better times.

 

You just let me know where in Missouri, and I'll pop round for the wedding in your stead. I love weddings! I don't suppose there's an open bar at the reception? :cheers:

Hehehe nice thought! I will miss not being there .... My cousins have a cabin up at Table Rock lake and the wedding is going to be up at the lake. It is a beautiful spot.
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Found out an co-worker from the Service list her husband of close to 30 years last week. A memorial service is planned for two weeks from now, and, assuming other co-workers are there, it will be my first contact with them since my retirement. It's likely most of them are unaware of Karen's passing as we've not kept up with one another. Still, I need to do this, if only for that it's for a friend.
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I am very distressed at the passing of Justice Ruth Ginsburg tonight. She was such a smart lady and so brave for battling all those bouts of cancer. Wasn't expecting this, quite a shock.

 

Please let this be my moment to grieve, I know some will want to make political statements but I just want to honor the Justice for all her years of service. RIP RBG :rose:

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :( Edited by Principled Man
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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it.

Maybe this will help: The full facts of the case as revealed in grand jury testimony contradict what the narrative has been. The police did not enter the wrong apartment. Breonna Taylor's residence had been targeted after extensive surveillance due to her relationship with a know drug dealer (recent, but then ex- boyfriend). The police were issued a no-knock warrant, however, they announced their presence before entering, and only after requests for the door to be opened were ignored did they enter. Breonna was not shot in her bed, she was in the hall, with her current boyfriend, who through a tragic turn of events apparently did not realize that those entering were police. He opened fire and hit one officer. The other officers, understandably, returned fire. Breonna was struck and killed.

 

The officer that was indicted by the grand jury was not in the apartment, but reckless fired from outside the building. He reportedly fired ten rounds through a shaded window and patio door, some of which found their way into neighboring apartments. No injuries occurred as a result.

 

The other officers acted lawfully and in line with their training, and a tragic series of events does not equate to a crime. While you can't indict a system, you can challenge the system in court, which Breonna's family did. While nothing will bring Breonna back, the city has given the family just monetary compensation.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case. A responsible Press would stop acting as judge and jury, as would influencers in entertainment, sports, etc.
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If you wanted someone to describe a Rush show to you, would you rather talk to someone who saw the show, or read a Rolling Stone review of it?

 

Why do people think that they know how a case should turn out better than a jury, based on what they've read about a case?

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If you wanted someone to describe a Rush show to you, would you rather talk to someone who saw the show, or read a Rolling Stone review of it?

 

Why do people think that they know how a case should turn out better than a jury, based on what they've read about a case?

 

Edit/notSOCN: What makes me sad are the bad apples that make it seem (or the news makes it seem) that the majority of of folks are bad. I dont believe it.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

From the Commonwealth of Kentucky's official website:

The Grand Jury decides whether or not there is enough evidence to indict. To indict is to bring formal, criminal charges against a person for a felony. The Grand Jury does not determine guilt or innocence. The Grand Jury hears the evidence and decided if there is sufficient proof to bring charges against a person. The prosecutor will present evidence to the Grand Jury. After the prosecutor presents evidence, the Grand Jury will deliberate and decide whether to return an indictment. Nine of the twelve Grand Jurors must be in agreement to return an indictment.

 

Typically, the person who may be charged and the defense attorney do not provide any proof or evidence to the Grand Jury.

 

A responsible Press would stop acting as judge and jury, as would influencers in entertainment, sports, etc.

 

The press' only role in this case is to objectively analyze the evidence and do fact-checking. The Louisville Courier Journal is doing just that. Everyone else - entertainers, bloggers and the general public - should shut up. They weren't there, and they don't know what happened.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation. Edited by goose
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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation.

I don't trust cops at all anymore. There was another body found in our city. If I ever found a body, then I wouldn't report it because of the way the police are. They might think I had something to do with the dead body, even if I didn't know the person. The police in most cities beat and/or murder people on a regular basis. I would just wait for someone else to report a dead body. I basically want nothing to do with the police.

 

Actually, I saw a guy on the ground in an ATM vestibule at my bank last month. Times are really tough right now because of the pandemic. So I figured the guy was just a sleeping homeless man, and I didn't call anyone. Or he could've been just waiting to jump someone who withdrew cash from the machine. IDK

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I don't trust cops at all anymore.

 

What are you going to do if you desperately need one someday? Take matters into your own hands?

 

Not all cops are bad.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation.

I don't trust cops at all anymore. There was another body found in our city. If I ever found a body, then I wouldn't report it because of the way the police are. They might think I had something to do with the dead body, even if I didn't know the person. The police in most cities beat and/or murder people on a regular basis. I would just wait for someone else to report a dead body. I basically want nothing to do with the police.

 

 

Why wouldn’t you just report the crime anonymously? That dead body was somebody’s relative, friend, spouse, co-worker...or if they were none of those, then they were still...somebody.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation.

I don't trust cops at all anymore. There was another body found in our city. If I ever found a body, then I wouldn't report it because of the way the police are. They might think I had something to do with the dead body, even if I didn't know the person. The police in most cities beat and/or murder people on a regular basis. I would just wait for someone else to report a dead body. I basically want nothing to do with the police.

 

 

Why wouldn’t you just report the crime anonymously?

The rational thing to do.
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The press' only role in this case is to objectively analyze the evidence and do fact-checking. The Louisville Courier Journal is doing just that. Everyone else - entertainers, bloggers and the general public - should shut up. They weren't there, and they don't know what happened.

 

:goodone:

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation.

 

Exactly. This case is especially troubling, because the prosecution and police are almost always fierce allies. In a regular trial and in a grand jury proceeding, a citizen is accused, and the police and prosecution are both against him.

 

What did the grand jury get for evidence in THIS case? Did anyone challenge the evidence presented to the grand jury? No, there wasn’t any challenge, as it’s not allowed. The police and the prosecution could be fierce allies in this case as well.

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There will probably be more rioting in Kentucky, now that the Breonna Taylor grand jury decision has been announced. :(

 

Yes very sad. The city pays the family for wrongful death but the grand jury can charge one officer for wanton endangerment to other people in the apartment complex but nothing for Taylor? I don't get it. They knew it wasn't going over good when they started yesterday boarding up buildings. Why are they surprised that people will get angry?

 

Grand juries can be just like any other jury, I guess. We can never be totally sure of their pending decision.

 

Unlike the media and the public, they rely on the full facts of the case.

 

Unlike in a typical public criminal court trial, the grand jury hears only one side of the story - the prosecution's side. Does this guarantee that the grand jury receives all the facts of the case? Certainly not.

 

In this particular case, how does the grand jury know that the prosecution is telling the whole truth? How does it know that the accused cops are telling the whole truth? The grand jury only hears their side.

 

 

The cops are the defendants in this situation.

 

Exactly. This case is especially troubling, because the prosecution and police are almost always fierce allies. In a regular trial and in a grand jury proceeding, a citizen is accused, and the police and prosecution are both against him.

 

What did the grand jury get for evidence in THIS case? Did anyone challenge the evidence presented to the grand jury? No, there wasn’t any challenge, as it’s not allowed. The police and the prosecution could be fierce allies in this case as well.

 

Possible but they had a lot more facts than the news has. Its a tragic case for sure but if you are standing to someone shooting at the police bad things are going to happen. I certainly don't think she was violent or a threat (from what I have read I don't know her). But when parents tell kids not to do drugs or even spend time with anyone who does, this is precisely what some of their concern is.

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